Tatty looking trains

04-09-2015 6:46am #1

Why is it that just about every 22000 series train looks like it's been run into the buffers!

Is it just weak body panels or

hittiing the buffers.

It is rare to see one that has a complete set of trim on the front.

man98 · 04-09-2015 7:18am

If I get you, it's because 3 cars can be made into 6 cars. The coupling equipment is behind that, and may not be replaced on short notice

04-09-2015 7:33am

Yes I understand the coupling of sets together, but it appears that the covers are all broken off now, are they just too flimsy?
The other thing is that many of the units are also missing side panels as well, is the lack of a front panel causing the aerodynamics at high speed to rip them off?

roundymac · 04-09-2015 10:39am

I think the Wanderer stated that they are too flimsey in a previous thread.

noelfirl · 04-09-2015 2:23pm

And to be replaced...

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/traction-rolling-stock/single-view/view/voith-replaces-irish-dmu-fairings.html

04-09-2015 7:26pm

That's good to hear, it gives a very poor image to see all those trains with the front fairings broken off.

GM228 · 04-09-2015 8:58pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's good to hear, it gives a very poor image to see all those trains with the front fairings broken off.

Only the side panels will be replaced with the coupling hatch permanently removed.

GM228

04-09-2015 9:46pm

GM228 wrote: »

Only the side panels will be replaced with the coupling hatch permanently removed.

GM228

OK, hopefully the replacement parts will not look like there's a bit missing (if that's possible).

They can't look any worse though.

GM228 · 05-09-2015 9:38am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

OK, hopefully the replacement parts will not look like there's a bit missing (if that's possible).

They can't look any worse though.

They will look as they currently do except with no hatch, although there will be a connecting section under the coupler between the side sections.

GM228

Jamie2k9 · 17-09-2015 11:11pm

Spotted a 3 coach set on Wednesday and it was in prefect condition and clearly has been lucky not to hit anything in recent times. It must literally be the only unit fully in tact, even the coupler covers are prefect!

Cookie_Monster · 18-09-2015 3:23pm

noelfirl wrote: »

And to be replaced...

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/traction-rolling-stock/single-view/view/voith-replaces-irish-dmu-fairings.html

so why are Voith doing it rather than Hyundai Rotem? Presumably this means IE paying for the privilege rather than getting H-R to do it for free, replacing substantially under performing parts.

Jamie2k9 · 18-09-2015 6:12pm

Hoe do you know H.R didn't produce what was asked of them?

A manufacture will not continue to replace parts to rolling stock which almost 9 years old.

IE would be required to pay H.R for replacements. Im sure they have supplied IE with a lot of replacements to date.

The quality of all parts wpuld of been well known by IE in advance of purchase.

Nichard Dixon · 18-09-2015 8:46pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Hoe do you know H.R didn't produce what was asked of them?

A manufacture will not continue to replace parts to rolling stock which almost 9 years old.
.

Are they selling stock with an 8 year life? Which railway buys it on this basis?

Jamie2k9 · 18-09-2015 9:15pm

Nichard Dixon wrote: »

Are they selling stock with an 8 year life? Which railway buys it on this basis?

Well did you see the tender which IE issued and and what "specific" requirements they made. They are largely plastic so it doesn't take brains to figure out such problems.

It's like saying they should replace any window which is broken after something hits it.......It's up to IE to do more to keep the network clear of obstructions which is the real problem here.

If they were damaged before they entered IE service they would of been replaced, trains are not designed to hit cows, cars, tractors, bales, trees and come out un damaged as the 22's have in recent years.

The DVT on the Mark IV is not much better than the 22 ends and CAF replaced one but any since then it's up to IE.

IE are the customer it is up to them to demand what they wanted at time of order not a train producer.

Cookie_Monster · 23-09-2015 3:37am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Hoe do you know H.R didn't produce what was asked of them?

I don't but it doesn't seems out of the realm of common snes that the parts are clearly not up to scratch.

A manufacture will not continue to replace parts to rolling stock which almost 9 years old.

They should if they are failing to meet their design life.

The quality of all parts wpuld of been well known by IE in advance of purchase.

how?That's liek saying they would have been aware of the frame cracking issues on the 071's...

Jem72 · 23-09-2015 10:20am

The next time you hit a fallen branch or a thrown stone with your car at 70 mph, have a look at how tatty your bumper looks. Unless the metal replacement is made of very thick aluminium it's going to look even worse after a few months with great dents all over it.

The plastic panels seem to be a sacrificial solution and were probably meant to be replaced after hitting anything significant but Irish Rail probably hadn't figured on hitting stuff quite so often as they do.

end of the road · 23-09-2015 4:13pm

well what would you expect considering the 8200s nonsense

Chemical Byrne · 24-09-2015 3:29pm

Nichard Dixon wrote: »

Are they selling stock with an 8 year life? Which railway buys it on this basis?

Eh, look at the fiasco with the 2700's and the 8200's. [/Argument]

GM228 · 24-09-2015 5:08pm

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

Eh, look at the fiasco with the 2700's and the 8200's. [/Argument]

The 8200s are in storage due to their high problem rate, also a small fleet meant higher maintenance costs, and also because they simply aren't needed, the 2700s on the other hand became a much more reliable fleet when they went to Limerick, but their storage was a result of IE buying too many 22000s, the economic downturn and cost-savings. They may return some day.

GM228

Chemical Byrne · 24-09-2015 5:13pm

GM228 wrote: »

........... They may return some day.

GM228

That's assuming they won't be burnt out, graffitied, used by junkies for shooting up, or just rust away.:mad:

end of the road · 24-09-2015 7:20pm

GM228 wrote: »

The 8200s are in storage due to their high problem rate, also a small fleet meant higher maintenance costs, and also because they simply aren't needed.

i think he's talking about the fact these heaps of junk were excepted by IE at all. that the company were able to provide them without no sanction from IE. they may not be needed but its still money wasted with no sanction for the manufacturer. absolutely no excuse for that, and the fact IE have been let off for not persuing the manufacturer is frankly, unexceptable

GM228 wrote: »

the 2700s on the other hand became a much more reliable fleet when they went to Limerick, but their storage was a result of IE buying too many 22000s, the economic downturn and cost-savings.

buying too many 22000s? i'd say they bought to little 22000s TBH.

GM228 wrote: »

They may return some day.

wouldn't hold my breath

26-09-2015 9:14am

I saw what looked like a smashed faring on the side of the track near Naas yesterday, so now another train looks tattier than usual.

StonyIron · 26-09-2015 9:24am

They break everything though.

Internal doors on the MK3s were always broken. They've done exactly the same on the MK4s

Amazingly other EU rail operators don't have these issues.

Driving around with the front ends open will also slightly reduce fuel efficiency btw. That area is pretty large and the cover is obviously designed to improve the aerodynamics of the train.

With an opening, it's a bit like driving your car on the motorway with the bonnet up!

Tatty looking trains

Comments