Can I move??

Mayomum23

Hi,
I am a single mum of a 4 year old girl. Myself and her father split 4 years ago and have very fairly shared the parenting. She has a great relationship with her dad and we both live locally in the town where we are from in Mayo. Our split was very amicable and we have made it our business to keep things as stress free for The child's sake and also for ourselves so that we could move on and build life's separately. My daughter starts school next year and I am starting a course next week while She goes to pre-school. My long term goal however is to re-locate to Galway where I can then further my education more or even find a great job and provide Us with a better life than I can if I stay at home where there are little to no opportunities education or otherwise. What I am faced with is the fact that my ex will feel as though I am talking her away from him and I must stress that there is no malice intended in my moving. My partner lives and works in Galway and I simply feel that it is inevitable that I would move there after years of going up and down its just not realistic for me to stay here when there is so much for us there. I would give open access to My daughters father of course any weekend and every school holiday if that's what he wanted, but from dropping hints In the past I gather that this is not what he wants and I'm afraid he will bring me to court I don't want that to happen but if it does can the court stop me from moving ? I don't want it to kick off I just want what's best for us. I know it's not ideal for my ex but we aren't together and he can't expect that I will stay in this town forever more I'm still in my twenties And want to further myself. Any help or advise will be greatly appreciated.

3DataModem

Could the child stay with the father after you move?

Ken.

My brother was in a similar situation and he was told by 2 solicitors that as long as his ex stayed in Ireland their wasn't much he could do. He could go to court but it would have to be a pretty good reason for a judge to stop it. About the only way would be if he was severely disabled or paralysed.

Mayomum23

3DataModem wrote: »

Could the child stay with the father after you move?

For me it's really not an option for the child to stay behind with her father. What kind of a mother leaves towns and leaves a four year old child behind her. I simply couldn't even consider that.

Mayomum23

ken wrote: »

My brother was in a similar situation and he was told by 2 solicitors that as long as his ex stayed in Ireland their wasn't much he could do. He could go to court but it would have to be a pretty good reason for a judge to stop it. About the only way would be if he was severely disabled or paralysed.

Thanks ken , well he is neither. We would definitely be able to come to a fair arrangement with visitation and sleepovers at holidays and weekends etc. As Galway is only an hour and a half from where we live. I just wouldn't want him to drag it into court.

haveringchick

I'm presuming here that the child's father has legal Gaurdianship of his daughter and not just his name on her birth certificate.
If he does decide to go to court the judge could decide that you may relocate, but that you will have to bear the responsibility of transporting your daughter to and from her fathers house.
This may sound reasonable but if you have to work all week and then drive from Galway to Mayo and just turn around and go back on Sunday and possibly odd days during the weekend it can be very tedious and heavy on your petrol tank too

BasedHobbes

On a personal level, you should try and sort this out with your ex. I would worry far more for the child if they are split between two feuding litigious parents living on different sides of the country.

Uno my Uno.

He can't stop you from moving if you stay in the State. I know Mayo to Galway is a long enough journey but its hardly the equivalent of a transatlantic flight or a trip from Donegal to Cork, many people make family arrangements work over much greater distances, Any Court would expect your Ex to do the same.

Your Ex may well resist your eventual move but he has no grounds to do so, remember that you are not required to put your life on hold or pass up educational and employment opportunities simply because it is more convenient for him if you remain living in a certain area.

Little CuChulainn

Mayomum23 wrote: »

For me it's really not an option for the child to stay behind with her father. What kind of a mother leaves towns and leaves a four year old child behind her. I simply couldn't even consider that.

Is that not what you are asking her father to do?

haveringchick

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

He can't stop you from moving if you stay in the State. I know Mayo to Galway is a long enough journey but its hardly the equivalent of a transatlantic flight or a trip from Donegal to Cork, many people make family arrangements work over much greater distances, Any Court would expect your Ex to do the same.

Your Ex may well resist your eventual move but he has no grounds to do so, remember that you are not required to put your life on hold or pass up educational and employment opportunities simply because it is more convenient for him if you remain living in a certain area.

As I've stated above the Courts are currently ruling that it is the parent, in this case the mother, who has decided to relocate who must make the travel arrangements and do the actual travelling with all the expense and inconvenience that that causes, not the parent who is staying put.
This, of course, makes perfect sense. If its so important to the mother, and she feels it is the right thing for her child regardless of how the child's father feels, to move to be near her new partner, and its not feasible for the new partner to move to where the mother and father and child currently are, then the burden of travel arrangement should fall to the mother, do you agree?

haveringchick

Mayomum23 wrote: »

Thanks ken , well he is neither. We would definitely be able to come to a fair arrangement with visitation and sleepovers at holidays and weekends etc. As Galway is only an hour and a half from where we live. I just wouldn't want him to drag it into court.

An hour and a half should be very easy for you to drop your child to her father and collect her again.

Chemical Byrne

Mayomum23 wrote: »

For me it's really not an option for the child to stay behind with her father. What kind of a mother leaves towns and leaves a four year old child behind her. I simply couldn't even consider that.

But you are nonetheless wanting her father to accept the same without question? You expect him to be happy with having token "visits" to his daughter every once in a while? No offence, but I detect a hint of hypocrisy in that post there OP.

Would it be an acceptable arrangement for her to stay with each parent on alternating weeks? I know this would have to change when she goes to school obviously.

Look I'm not saying that you should stay put, you shouldnt have to. You both need to sit down and work out a solution that works for all of ye. Not this craic of trying to get the jump on him by taking preemptive action.

Gatling

haveringchick wrote: »

As I've stated above the Courts are currently ruling that it is the parent, in this case the mother, who has decided to relocate who must make the travel arrangements and do the actual travelling with all the expense and inconvenience that that causes, not the parent who is staying put.
This, of course, makes perfect sense. If its so important to the mother, and she feels it is the right thing for her child regardless of how the child's father feels, to move to be near her new partner, and its not feasible for the new partner to move to where the mother and father and child currently are, then the burden of travel arrangement should fall to the mother, do you agree?

How many cases where the judge has ruled to that effect

Uno my Uno.

haveringchick wrote: »

As I've stated above the Courts are currently ruling that it is the parent, in this case the mother, who has decided to relocate who must make the travel arrangements and do the actual travelling with all the expense and inconvenience that that causes, not the parent who is staying put.
This, of course, makes perfect sense. If its so important to the mother, and she feels it is the right thing for her child regardless of how the child's father feels, to move to be near her new partner, and its not feasible for the new partner to move to where the mother and father and child currently are, then the burden of travel arrangement should fall to the mother, do you agree?

Are the courts really making such orders? on what basis? are there any reported cases? What happens if the father moves from Mayo to Dublin, How would that affect the order? Its a 90 minute car journey we're talking about, its not nothing but people commute longer to work. It surely can't be too difficult for two people who are on good terms to come to a mutually convenient agreement about it.

Mayomum23

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

But you are nonetheless wanting her father to accept the same without question? You expect him to be happy with having token "visits" to his daughter every once in a while? No offence, but I detect a hint of hypocrisy in that post there OP.

Would it be an acceptable arrangement for her to stay with each parent on alternating weeks? I know this would have to change when she goes to school obviously.

Look I'm not saying that you should stay put, you shouldnt have to. You both need to sit down and work out a solution that works for all of ye. Not this craic of trying to get the jump on him by taking preemptive action.

Thank you for your reply chemical Byrne. I must refer back to my original post to answer to this comment. At no stage did I suggest he would have token '' visits " or anything as belittling as this. Just to give you all a little back story to this up until now our care for our daughter has been equal 50-50 and I consider myself extremely lucky to have a child with someone who wants such a great involvement. I would not want to destroy this for not only dads sake but most importantly our daughters sake. Ok, that said neither did I say that I was going to jump on him with preemptive action. I'm actually trying very much to avoid that.
It has been week by week care so far but our daughter is now school age and will start in September. It is my opinion that the child then fall into a routine and week here week there care I feel is not negotiable as she will of course be at one school. My plan is that Will be wherever I reside in Galway. Obviously my ex can see her whenever he wants I don't think any parent has the right to stop another seeing his/her child unless it's in the child's best interest. I would be happy to bring her to Mayo to her father I'm not sure it would be totally fair to lay all of the travelling etc to me if he had to move away for work or education I wouldn't expect him to make all the effort as parents I feel that this should be shared and hopefully we could find a happy medium. Sorry for the essay folks but I felt I needed to clear a few things up. Thanks for everyone as replies and interest so far

Mayomum23

Also... If the choice was mine I would stay where I am. I'm not trying to make things difficult for my ex I Will do what I can to help when I do move because it is in the best interest of our daughter that she sees her dad as much as possible. I just don't see the need for me to stay in an area where I am in and out of dead end useless jobs, on and off the social welfare. When a simple move down road could ensure some great opportunities for us and of course personally I would be closer to my partner. Surely you guys or the courts could see there's no malice here I just want to get on with life and progress personally and financially.

Chemical Byrne

I see that you want what's best for your family. You say parenting is 50/50 at the moment. Does that mean she spends equal amounts of time in the care of you and then her dad?

The fairest way here is for both of you to compromise. You say you wish to move to Galway - perhaps you could live on the Mayo side of the city or in the next big town along the road to Mayo? That would still be easily commutable for you and will cut back the distance you or dad needs to travel to spend time with daughter. i don't know what you think of that but its just a suggestion to think about maybe.

You would also have to consider, in general, rural schools tend to be better with less antisocial behaviour and less problem/disadvantaged families. Would it be better to go to a school that is more rural based? Whatever decision you arrive at, make sure it is well thought out by BOTH OF YOU! You don't want to be having to move schools and away from her pals because ye decide that the arrangement doesn't suit on or the other of you!

I'm a bit concerned at your steadfast determination to keep her with you wherever you move. The decision on who she should primarily live with should be based on what is best for her, not whatever suits you two or makes ye feel better. But of course you want to be with her, obviously. But the decision on who she stays with must be based on her best interests, not yours nor his. You should consider things like quality of schools in each of yere areas, yer working arrangements & hours, childcare etc etc.

Best of luck with this. I appreciate it'a a very tricky situation.

goz83

Mayomum23 wrote: »

Also... If the choice was mine I would stay where I am. I'm not trying to make things difficult for my ex I Will do what I can to help when I do move because it is in the best interest of our daughter that she sees her dad as much as possible. I just don't see the need for me to stay in an area where I am in and out of dead end useless jobs, on and off the social welfare. When a simple move down road could ensure some great opportunities for us and of course personally I would be closer to my partner. Surely you guys or the courts could see there's no malice here I just want to get on with life and progress personally and financially.

are you suggesting the choice is not yours?

It saddens me that in modern society, where a coup,e splits and the child care is 50/50, the mother is still automatically the ace card holder. You will do what suits you in the end. There is no sugar coating it. Your daughters father will be the one who suffers and there will be less inevitably less contact with his daughter. Who suffers then?

Your decision to move is through your own ambition and emotional desire to be closer to your current partner. This is clear in your posts and you've been mostly honest in that respect.

I would suggest you consider hiw you would feel if the roles were reversed and your ex was moving away with your daughter and he said you are always fee to visit her and have her on holidays.

You don't sound like a bad woman. Quite the opposite actually, but do consider the points being made. Your daughters dad is effectively going to be heart broken because of what you want for yourself.

ger664

Sounds like you and your ex have a decent enough relationship and have your daughters best interests at heart. Why not sit down and tease out the logistics of it, I am sure you can both come to a workable solution. Its not like Galway is the other side of the world from Mayo.

haveringchick

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Are the courts really making such orders? on what basis? are there any reported cases? What happens if the father moves from Mayo to Dublin, How would that affect the order? Its a 90 minute car journey we're talking about, its not nothing but people commute longer to work. It surely can't be too difficult for two people who are on good terms to come to a mutually convenient agreement about it.

As family law cases are in camera then no there are no reported cases. In my work life I have come across several of these cases recently. You seem to think it's unreasonable to ask the mother , who after all is making a lifestyle choice to relocate, to drive, but not unreasonable to ask the dad, whose life is being turned upside down through no fault of his own? Why is that?

Uno my Uno.

goz83 wrote: »

are you suggesting the choice is not yours?

It saddens me that in modern society, where a coup,e splits and the child care is 50/50, the mother is still automatically the ace card holder. You will do what suits you in the end. There is no sugar coating it. Your daughters father will be the one who suffers and there will be less inevitably less contact with his daughter. Who suffers then?

Your decision to move is through your own ambition and emotional desire to be closer to your current partner. This is clear in your posts and you've been mostly honest in that respect.

I would suggest you consider hiw you would feel if the roles were reversed and your ex was moving away with your daughter and he said you are always fee to visit her and have her on holidays.

You don't sound like a bad woman. Quite the opposite actually, but do consider the points being made. Your daughters dad is effectively going to be heart broken because of what you want for yourself.

This entire post is out of order in my opinion, it is full of personal judgment, everyone is entitled to make a better life for themselves and she is only moving to Galway for crying out loud. If the father were moving to Galway for a better job and new partner would you blame him for leaving his child behind. From the tone of this post I doubt it. the OP is planning a move to make a better life for herself AND her daughter, that is commendable in my view.

haveringchick wrote: »

As family law cases are in camera then no there are no reported cases. In my work life I have come across several of these cases recently. You seem to think it's unreasonable to ask the mother , who after all is making a lifestyle choice to relocate, to drive, but not unreasonable to ask the dad, whose life is being turned upside down through no fault of his own? Why is that?

I am well aware that family cases are heard in camera and I also know that cases are reported anonymously. I think it is unreasonable to ask the mother to do ALL the driving, you seem to feel the father should have to do nothing, why is that?

Life is capricious, it is uneven and unfair, it comes with no guarantees. There are no guarantees that a relationship will last and no guarantees that you will have easy access to your children. Everyone simply has to get on with it as best they can, sometimes that means making the difficult choice to move or facing up to the fact that things are going to be more difficult than they were and that you'll be driving to Galway more often.

Mayomum23

goz83 wrote: »

are you suggesting the choice is not yours?

It saddens me that in modern society, where a coup,e splits and the child care is 50/50, the mother is still automatically the ace card holder. You will do what suits you in the end. There is no sugar coating it. Your daughters father will be the one who suffers and there will be less inevitably less contact with his daughter. Who suffers then?

Your decision to move is through your own ambition and emotional desire to be closer to your current partner. This is clear in your posts and you've been mostly honest in that respect.

I would suggest you consider hiw you would feel if the roles were reversed and your ex was moving away with your daughter and he said you are always fee to visit her and have her on holidays.

You don't sound like a bad woman. Quite the opposite actually, but do consider the points being made. Your daughters dad is effectively going to be heart broken because of what you want for yourself.

My motive for moving is not just so that I get to be with my partner .. He could move down here with the work that he's in. Excuse me for wanting to move somewhere where there is actual real life jobs on offer and an opportunity for me to get an education to better myself for the sake of a secure future for my daughter. Forgive me for not wanting to remain in my current situation on the dole getting rent allowance and struggling to pay my bills. Your comment has slightly offended me. I have a great relationship with my ex and I will do everything in my power to make sure they see each other as much as is physically possible. I cannot please everyone somehow I will have to find a healthy balance.

Jonotti

Mayomum23 wrote: »

I just don't see the need for me to stay in an area where I am in and out of dead end useless jobs, on and off the social welfare. When a simple move down road could ensure some great opportunities for us and of course personally I would be closer to my partner.

Both of those reasons are about you. Not your daughter or her father but you.

Mayomum23

When a relationship ends and there is children involved it's very difficult to make these desicions. Unless you've been in my shoes and have been through this please don't insult somebody who is in the thick of it making out like I'm going to do what I want how I want willy nilly. This is very difficult for me however life must go on people grow and re-locate all the time I'm not the first and won't be the last. If it was the other way round I would respect him for his desicion and do whatever I could to make sure I'm in my child's life.

Jonotti

Mayomum23 wrote: »

If it was the other way round I would respect him for his desicion and do whatever I could to make sure I'm in my child's life.

So you'd be happy if he took your child off to Dublin to go on a new course and be nearer his partner?

Mayomum23

Jonotti wrote: »

So you'd be happy if he took your child off to Dublin to go on a new course and be nearer his partner?

It's not his responsibility to ensure that I'm happy. Of course it wouldn't be ideal but I wouldn't expect him to stay where he is now if his income was merely then social welfare and if he moved he would be able to secure our child financially form the future. That would be what was best for her not him staying put and struggling.

Jonotti

So why can't you just move yourself and visit a few times a week?

Stheno

Mayomum23 wrote: »

It's not his responsibility to ensure that I'm happy. Of course it wouldn't be ideal but I wouldn't expect him to stay where he is now if his income was merely then social welfare and if he moved he would be able to secure our child financially form the future. That would be what was best for her not him staying put and struggling.

You sound like you are proposing moving your child for your benefit, and reducing their contact time from 50% with their father to random weekends.

What impact do you think that will have on your child?

Mayomum23

Mayomum23 wrote: »

It's not his responsibility to ensure that I'm happy. Of course it wouldn't be ideal but I wouldn't expect him to stay where he is now if his income was merely then social welfare and if he moved he would be able to secure our child financially form the future. That would be what was best for her not him staying put and struggling.

I came on here for advice lads and I appreciate everyone's input but Christ .. I'm trying to get ye to see the bigger picture of course I'd love to stay In my town and settle and everything is honky dory but life isn't that black and white and it's upsetting to be made feel selfish for wanting a job ; an education , a life not Just for ME for my child. I want more for her I want to be able to provide. I can't do that where I am. I think I made the wrong desicion posting here. Thanks everyone for your comments and advice. ðŸ‘

goz83

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

This entire post is out of order in my opinion, it is full of personal judgment, everyone is entitled to make a better life for themselves and she is only moving to Galway for crying out loud. If the father were moving to Galway for a better job and new partner would you blame him for leaving his child behind. From the tone of this post I doubt it. the OP is planning a move to make a better life for herself AND her daughter, that is commendable in my view.

Well I disagree about my post being out of order. The father in this case, as is normally the case, the second class citizen. The mother couldn't possibly leave her daughter to make her move to a better place, but the father is expected to accept whatever happens. In my opinion, it is totally unfair and biased.

To answer your question,,,,if the father was the one making the move, I woukd absolutely expect him to make the effort to have as much of the same contact as possible with his daughter. I would further pose the following: if the father were being promoted to very prestigious position in Dublin, working only a few hours per week, and his daughter would be able to attend the best schools in the country, would mum allow this, for the sake of her daughters future? I would expect not.

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

There are no guarantees that a relationship will last and no guarantees that you will have easy access to your children.

If you have a vagina, your guarantees of this are much improved in Ireland. Access is generally only difficult for the father.

Mayomum23 wrote: »

My motive for moving is not just so that I get to be with my partner .. He could move down here with the work that he's in. Excuse me for wanting to move somewhere where there is actual real life jobs on offer and an opportunity for me to get an education to better myself for the sake of a secure future for my daughter. Forgive me for not wanting to remain in my current situation on the dole getting rent allowance and struggling to pay my bills. Your comment has slightly offended me. I have a great relationship with my ex and I will do everything in my power to make sure they see each other as much as is physically possible. I cannot please everyone somehow I will have to find a healthy balance.

There was no insult intended. I went out of my way to point out that I believed you were a good person. I merely ppinted out that you will still do what you want to do. It's super that you want to better yourself. I just see bettering oneself differently than you perhaps. To me, it is not better to move a child away from a loving parent because there are better jobs a few miles up the road. But, that's my opinion and you have your own.

Words are easily exaggerated. "I will do everything in my power to make sure they see eachother as much as is physically possible". Well, it is within your power to stay, or to let your daughter stay, if we look at it in a black and white kind of way. You are correct that you cannot please everyone.

If your relationship is as great as you say it is with your ex, then you shoukd not be here asking strangers about court. You should be talking to your ex about the possibility of this change and what you can both do when you decide to uproot and leave for Galway. Again, no offense intended. I hope it all works out for you all. I think I might know you, but I will keep that to myself, as I may be thinking of someone else in a similar situation.

goz83

Mayomum23 wrote: »

I came on here for advice lads and I appreciate everyone's input but Christ .. I'm trying to get ye to see the bigger picture of course I'd love to stay In my town and settle and everything is honky dory but life isn't that black and white and it's upsetting to be made feel selfish for wanting a job ; an education , a life not Just for ME for my child. I want more for her I want to be able to provide. I can't do that where I am. I think I made the wrong desicion posting here. Thanks everyone for your comments and advice. ðŸ‘

If that is what is best over all, that's great. Some of us are trying to ask you to step out of your own picture and see the rest of the gallery hall. Not everyone gets the advice they want. Sometimes they are just asked to step back and consider things.

I'm sure whatever decision you make, you'll have a happy daughter.

dunworth1

I don't think its unreasonable for you to want to move to get a better job. I don't get why people are attacking you for it.

Yes you have a child with an ex but life has to go on. I would never expect anyone to give up a better life over an hours drive.

If it was happening to me and my ex girlfriend with my child decided to move away I'd figure something out to sea my child. I would of course be upset about the idea of not seeing them as much but I'd make something work it's only an hours drive

If the father is decent he will understand he'll probably be a bit hurt about it alright I know I would.

A friend of mine spilt with his partner and two kids he moved to limerick and she stayed in Waterford.

He takes them at weekends and for a few weeks during the summer and they rotate holidays. Easter with him Halloween with her etc.

They came to an agreement too meet each other in a town half the journey.

hdowney

I think people have the problem with the automatic assumption that since mam needs/wants to move the child should automatically go with mam, rather than staying with dad in the place she has grown up so far.

Stheno

hdowney wrote: »

I think people have the problem with the automatic assumption that since mam needs/wants to move the child should automatically go with mam, rather than staying with dad in the place she has grown up so far.

That's my issue, the impact on the child, and automatically assuming it's better they move, when there is a potential solution otherwise.

goz83

hdowney wrote: »

I think people have the problem with the automatic assumption that since mam needs/wants to move the child should automatically go with mam, rather than staying with dad in the place she has grown up so far.

Nail on the head.

If the mam moves, the child moves too.

If the dad moves for the exact same reasons, the child stays.

Uno my Uno.

goz83 wrote: »

Well I disagree about my post being out of order. The father in this case, as is normally the case, the second class citizen. The mother couldn't possibly leave her daughter to make her move to a better place, but the father is expected to accept whatever happens. In my opinion, it is totally unfair and biased.

To answer your question,,,,if the father was the one making the move, I woukd absolutely expect him to make the effort to have as much of the same contact as possible with his daughter. I would further pose the following: if the father were being promoted to very prestigious position in Dublin, working only a few hours per week, and his daughter would be able to attend the best schools in the country, would mum allow this, for the sake of her daughters future? I would expect not.

Sprry I'm not buying it, You've made your agenda clear.

goz83 wrote: »

If you have a vagina, your guarantees of this are much improved in Ireland. Access is generally only difficult for the father.

Misogynist much? take your generalizations and your agenda fueled generalizations elsewhere.

OttoPilot

I would have thought if you want to move to Galway to study, the child is better off with her father while you get your education. Mainly because you will need evenings and weekends free to study and work and weekdays to attend classes (or vice versa if you attend night college).

Pat Mustard

Jonotti wrote: »

So you'd be happy if he took your child off to Dublin to go on a new course and be nearer his partner?

Mod:

Off topic. Whether or not the OP would be happy with one thing or another has nothing to do with legal rights.

Please move back on topic and keep it civil.

Pat Mustard

goz83 wrote: »

If you have a vagina, your guarantees of this are much improved in Ireland.

Mod:

Can we tone that sort of thing down, please.

lifeandtimes

As you have asked people to see the bigger picture and all this should be about the best interests of your child...have you considered it's best for the child to stay with the father?

You say you want to move so you have the opportunity of a better education,job prospects etc..This will all take time to start and grow

Where as the father may (we dont know his current status) already be finicially secure,have a permanent job,house etc in the area your child grew up and would be better vested in caring for the child while you go and do all this?

Moving to begin a new life takes time to grow and would it be good for your child to be uprooted to begin this venture with you with the fruits of it taken a long time vs the current situation with their father?

This is how the courts will see it and if you do this and the father brings you to court the judge will way up the options like this

goz83

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Sprry Sorry I'm not buying it, You've made your agenda clear.

What agenda would that be exactly? I speak as someone who will never be in the position of the OPs ex. I am a happily married father of 4, soon to be 5. And while my self and my wife would have different views on many issues, she at least recognises that being a male parent in a split relationship in Ireland automatically puts you at a disadvantage, married, or not.

I have seen fathers, good and not so good refused access to their children. I have seen awful, awful mothers get away disgusting things. Most mums (and dad) want the best for their children, including the OP. Sometimes they want it so much, they fail to consider what IS best for their children.

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Misogynist much? take your generalizations and your agenda fueled generalizations facts elsewhere.

Had to fix that for you too.

I didn't realise the V word was a vulgar word. I should have said "lady parts" instead.

hullaballoo

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