Charlie Chawke seeks compo

Youngblood.III · 02-09-2015 8:09am #1

Cashing in or genuine?
Terrible think to happen to anyone, but is the state been taken for a ride as regards to loss of earnings...
Also is there not a statue of limitations on claiming compo?
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/publican-charlie-chawke-seeks-compensation-after-gun-attack-31496504.html

arayess · 02-09-2015 8:19am

he paid bertie money.
He deserves nothing.

biko · 02-09-2015 8:22am

Charlie Chawke (66) is seeking a substantial six-figure sum from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal after he lost a leg

Ward (60), of Knockmore Avenue, Tallaght, is serving 20 years for the shooting

Accomplice Larry Cummins (59) died in 2009 while serving a 15-year sentence for his role in the gun attack

Is there no young people left in the pale?

humanji · 02-09-2015 8:37am

Why is the state responsible for payment?

VinLieger · 02-09-2015 8:39am

humanji wrote: »

Why is the state responsible for payment?

Thats what im wondering?

Reading up on this criminal compensation tribunal it really sounds like its meant for people who suffer beyond what they can afford which we all know is not the case with charlie

One eyed Jack · 02-09-2015 8:43am

humanji wrote: »

Why is the state responsible for payment?

Information

As a victim of crime, you may be entitled to compensation for what has happened to you. There are 2 types of compensation for victims.

Court order

In some cases, the court may decide that an offender must pay compensation to you. This may be one of a number of conditions that the court has imposed on the offender so that he or she can avoid a prison sentence. The court may ask the Probation Service to supervise the payment of the compensation.

Scheme of Compensation for Personal Injuries Criminally Inflicted

If you are injured as a result of a crime, you may be eligible for compensation under the Scheme of Compensation for Personal Injuries Criminally Inflicted. This scheme is funded by the Department of Justice and Equality and administered by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal.

Source: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/victims_of_crime/victims_and_compensation.html

I understand that he is entitled to apply as anyone else who is the victim of a crime, but I don't think the State should be offering compensation to anyone who is the victim of a crime anyway tbh.

Youngblood.III · 02-09-2015 10:25am

I wonder will the insurance company that paid out to him (no doubt) look to be reimbursed from this payment?

TallGlass · 02-09-2015 10:29am

Is this any crime we can claim for under this? Stolen phones, cars etc...

handlemaster · 02-09-2015 10:33am

TallGlass wrote: »

Is this any crime we can claim for under this? Stolen phones, cars etc...

the link on the post ans all the questions

logically · 02-09-2015 10:58am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

.. but I don't think the State should be offering compensation to anyone who is the victim of a crime anyway tbh.

I'm personally very glad we live in a society where victims of crime who have been through (in many cases) unimaginable trauma possibly affecting the rest of their lives are given every possible assistance by the state to get back to some level of normality.

One eyed Jack · 02-09-2015 11:06am

logically wrote: »

I'm personally very glad we live in a society where victims of crime who have been through (in many cases) unimaginable trauma possibly affecting the rest of their lives are given every possible assistance by the state to get back to some level of normality.

I'm all for the State giving every assistance to people who have been the victims of a crime, but there's a difference between assistance, and financial compensation.

It'd be even better if the State funnelled that money into crime prevention, rather than compensation after the fact. That's the kind of society I'd prefer to live in tbh.

logically · 02-09-2015 11:25am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm all for the State giving every assistance to people who have been the victims of a crime, but there's a difference between assistance, and financial compensation.

It'd be even better if the State funnelled that money into crime prevention, rather than compensation after the fact. That's the kind of society I'd prefer to live in tbh.

We don't live in an ideal world and no matter how much is spent on crime prevention (DOJ link), crime happens and when it does, the range of assistance (including financial) is the right thing for the state to do. Any one of us or our families may need this at some point in our lives. Support and compensation/financial assistance/call it what you will is available for all EU citizens wherever the crime occurs. I find it hard to understand anyone who doesn't think financial help is not an appropriate thing for a state to do - but how and ever, each to his/her own point of view.

One eyed Jack · 02-09-2015 11:30am

logically wrote: »

We don't live in an ideal world and no matter how much is spent on crime prevention (DOJ link), crime happens and when it does, the range of assistance (including financial) is the right thing for the state to do. Any one of us or our families may need this at some point in our lives. Support and compensation/financial assistance/call it what you will is available for all EU citizens wherever the crime occurs. I find it hard to understand anyone who doesn't think financial help is not an appropriate thing for a state to do - but how and ever, each to his/her own point of view.

You're still missing the distinction I'm making between assistance, and compensation.

osarusan · 02-09-2015 11:49am

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Both are victims of a crime, both will suffer for the rest of their lives as a result and, therefore, both are entitled to seek compensation/assistance.

It doesn't mention it on the link, but I wonder if the scheme only comes into effect if the victim isn't covered by insurance?

I would imagine that is what it was set up to do - provide compensation to those who have no other avenue of getting support as a result of being a victim of a crime.

Youngblood.III · 02-09-2015 11:54am

From the scheme...

"The scheme only covers out-of-pocket expenses and bills. It doesn't compensate you for pain and suffering.

When deciding the amount of the award, the tribunal will consider any social welfare payments, salary or wages you received while on sick leave from work. The tribunal will also take into account any compensation paid by or on behalf of the assailant"

One eyed Jack · 02-09-2015 11:59am

PrettyBoy wrote: »

He is entitled to seek compensation. Some people here will disagree and say he he deserves nothing from the State as he is already wealthy but would they say the same about the child that was shot last year and left paralysed for life? I doubt it.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/6yearold-shooting-victim-sean-scullys-life-changed-forever-as-he-remains-confined-to-wheelchair-30398293.html

Both are victims of a crime, both will suffer for the rest of their lives as a result and, therefore, both are entitled to seek compensation/assistance.

Again though, compensation and assistance are two very different things, one is simply a lump sum of money, the other is the provision of supports that the person may avail of to help them. The State shouldn't be held responsible for compensating victims of crime. It has a responsibility to support the victims of crime. There's a vast difference between the two.

RayCon · 02-09-2015 12:04pm

I read the title and thought "why's Uncle Peter looking for compensation ?"

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iEyoe7TiRPM/hqdefault.jpg

FelineOverLord · 02-09-2015 12:22pm

Surely only in Ireland could someone who was shot carrying a bag of 50 grand of their own cash could sue the state for compensation. I just have to shake me head in complete disgust and disbelief that shi* like this can happen.

suicide_circus · 02-09-2015 12:32pm

Charlie is a very wealthy man. I'm pretty sure the state could put this money to better use.

Banjo String · 02-09-2015 12:36pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lUdH7qhmI

unkel · 02-09-2015 1:07pm

Those scumbags that shot him and robbed him have many previous convictions. One could argue that they should have been in jail at the time, so they could have done no harm to Chawke. That the state is to blame they weren't in jail, so the state is (partly) responsible for the damage done and thus should pay compensation

Green Peter · 02-09-2015 1:14pm

We are a nation of begrudgers, he lost a leg in a vicious attack and robbery, there are spongers living among of all of us who never worked a day in their lives and are serial compo claimers and we're all paying for it. If the state had to pay victims of crime they might invest properly in their police force!!!

tritium · 02-09-2015 1:15pm

unkel wrote: »

Those scumbags that shot him and robbed him have many previous convictions. One could argue that they should have been in jail at the time, so they could have done no harm to Chawke. That the state is to blame they weren't in jail, so the state is (partly) responsible for the damage done and thus should pay compensation

One could argue with far more validity that the law had been appropriately applied to them previously and they had already paid for previous crimes

Just because we may feel (based on often limited information) that the law isn't tough enough that doesn't make the state somehow responsible for applying everyone's personal view of justice. If you want to change the law feel free to lobby for it .