Police bar Paul Murphy from certain fundraising activities

conorh91

I cannot stand Paul Murphy, but this is taking the piss. Gardai have refused a permit for Murphy and his party from fundraising door-to-door, because doing so would provide funding for unlawful activities.

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2015/08/paul1-5-300x500.jpg

Street and House To House Collections Act, 1962

9.—A Chief Superintendent shall not grant a collection permit for any collection in respect of which he is of opinion that—

(a) [...]

(b) [...]

(c) the proceeds of the collection or any portion thereof would be used in such a manner as to encourage, either directly or indirectly, the commission of an unlawful act,

Here, a chief superintendant has formed a view that door-to-door Socialist Party fundraising effectively amounts to funding illegal activities.

I have no doubt except that this will be appealed, and successfully. But wtf are the Garda at? How can anyone be this stupid? They are playing right into Murphy's hands with this incredibly idiotic decision.

JustTheOne

Oh look another Paul Murphy thread.

conorh91

JustTheOne wrote: »

Oh look another Paul Murphy thread.

Just gave you the thanks you probably crave. FYI, you don't have to read/ reply.

The_Valeyard

Well that just going to create more publicity for the chap isn't it?

Silly thing for a senior garda to do.

michael999999

conorh91 wrote: »

I cannot stand Paul Murphy, but this is taking the piss. Gardai have refused a permit for Murphy and his party from fundraising door-to-door, because doing so would provide funding for unlawful activities.

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2015/08/paul1-5-300x500.jpg

Street and House To House Collections Act, 1962



Here, a chief superintendant has formed a view that door-to-door Socialist Party fundraising effectively amounts to funding illegal activities.

I have no doubt except that this will be appealed, and successfully. But wtf are the Garda at? How can anyone be this stupid? They are playing right into Murphy's hands with this incredibly idiotic decision.

Excellent.

With this adverse publicity, he can now have a special sitting of the courts and have he's case postponed indefinitely ala seanie fitz!

That's if of course he ever gets charged with anything!

supersean1999

Police??????

Rory Gallagher

This is not likely to be repealed since a great deal of the middle classes are unsympathetic to Paul Murphy or anyone will socialist ideals and thus won't criticise the Gardai's decision.
I personally think that this is a breach against the democratic structure and that the blockade for fundraising is not grounded in fact by any means(even if apologetics wish to stretch reality into the realm of fantasy,

Of course, people will let their prejudiced outlook on an individual hamper the fact that this is unjust.

Fox_In_Socks

Diesel laundering? Naaa...too much effort, must keep the peace process going

/topical

Stheno

conorh91 wrote: »

I cannot stand Paul Murphy, but this is taking the piss. Gardai have refused a permit for Murphy and his party from fundraising door-to-door, because doing so would provide funding for unlawful activities.

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2015/08/paul1-5-300x500.jpg

Street and House To House Collections Act, 1962



Here, a chief superintendant has formed a view that door-to-door Socialist Party fundraising effectively amounts to funding illegal activities.

I have no doubt except that this will be appealed, and successfully. But wtf are the Garda at? How can anyone be this stupid? They are playing right into Murphy's hands with this incredibly idiotic decision.

Well given he's already been arrested due to protests and expects to be charged, do you not think him fundraising is to potentially fund illegal activities?

conorh91

Stheno wrote: »

Well given he's already been arrested due to protests and expects to be charged, do you not think him fundraising is to potentially fund illegal activities?

He is presumed to be innocent, and even if convicted, it is he, and not the political party which he represents, which is on trial.

This was a really stupid decision. I guarantee you it will be appealed.

Banjo String

Stheno wrote: »

Well given he's already been arrested due to protests and expects to be charged, do you not think him fundraising is to potentially fund illegal activities?

Could you give a brief synopsis of these 'potential illegal activities' and what it may cost to fund them please.

What with this, and the potential charges and show case that will go with it, this man keeps getting provided with the largest of platfrorms, and unlimited publicity due to this stupid fcuking govt who seem to have an uncanny knack for fcuking up in their decision making.

Fcukin PR illiterates.

uck51js9zml2yt

Since not paying water charges is illegal, I assume his collection is to fund the campaign to break the law.
AGS was correct in their refusal.

Gatling

Where did it say his party was banned from collections .
When's the last time any party knocked on doors looking for cash donations

Banjo String

Alfonso Zealous Putter wrote: »

Since not paying water charges is illegal, I assume his collection is to fund the campaign to break the law.
AGS was correct in their refusal.

What a load of bollox.

Stheno

Banjo String wrote: »

Could you give a brief synopsis of these 'potential illegal activities' and what it may cost to fund them please.

What with this, and the potential charges and show case that will go with it, this man keeps getting provided with the largest of platfrorms, and unlimited publicity due to this stupid fcuking govt who seem to have an uncanny knack for fcuking up in their decision making.

Fcukin PR illiterates.

Advocating breaking the law by not paying water charges?

Participating in protests that cause other elected politicians to be restrained in their freedom to move about?

conorh91

Alfonso Zealous Putter wrote: »

Since not paying water charges is illegal, I assume his collection is to fund the campaign to break the law.
AGS was correct in their refusal.

But non-payment of a bill is, ordinarily, not a criminal offence, and AGS should not ordinarily be concerned with civil disputes.

Of course, we can dispense with these semantics since I happen to agree that Paul Murphy is basically a delinquent who himself tends to incite criminal behaviour.

But a police force preventing a legitimate, recognised political party from certain fundraising activities is incredibly undemocratic, and a bewildering development.

AGS is doing itself no favours here.

They are making themselves look legally incompetent, and clueless about PR.

Muahahaha

Gardai using laws intended to prevent Sinn Fein\IRA fundraising, its a PR own goal unless they can prove that Murphy is out to subvert the State by using criminal activity. Somehow I don't think sitting in front of a car fits that description.

Banjo String

Stheno wrote: »

Advocating breaking the law by not paying water charges?

Come back to me when they have successfully prosecuted someone for not paying a bill that did not sign up to.

And before you start trying to direct me to a statute book, ask yourself why there's such a big emphasis on voluntarily registration, including an actual bribe to attempt to coerce you into signing up.

Participating in protests that cause other elected politicians to be restrained in their freedom to move about?

Do you actually believe, if Murphy's charged with 'false imprisonment' that he'll be convicted?

Lets get real here.

Seriously?

And like I said, fundraising isn't required to organise people for a protest, alls needed there is publicity. Something the govt and AGS are gifting to Murphy by the bucket load.

Stheno

conorh91 wrote: »

But non-payment of a bill is, ordinarily, not a criminal offence, and AGS should not ordinarily be concerned with civil disputes.

Of course, we can dispense with these semantics since I happen to agree that Paul Murphy is basically a delinquent who himself tends to incite criminal behaviour.

But a police force preventing a legitimate, recognised political party from certain fundraising activities is incredibly undemocratic, and a bewildering development.

AGS is doing itself no favours here.

They are making themselves look legally incompetent, and clueless about PR.

Well no. What you quoted in the op is that a permit may be refused if it may result in encouraging or supporting illegal activities

Murphy certainly does that

michael999999

Banjo String wrote: »

Come back to me when they have successfully prosecuted someone for not paying a bill that did not sign up to.

And before you start trying to direct me to a statute book, ask yourself why there's such a big emphasis on voluntarily registration, including an actual bribe to attempt to coerce you into signing up.


Do you actually believe, if Murphy's charged with 'false imprisonment' that he'll be convicted?

Lets get real here.

Seriously?

Murphy can now use the Seanie Fitz ruling, and have he's case postponed indefinitely!

KERSPLAT!

Huge thread in Politics cafe for Paul Murphy which this would be more suited to. Please read their charter before posting

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