The ultimate Daily Mail - Millions nearly died - thread :-)

Long Time Lurker

This must be the stuff of wet dreams for Daily Mail readers and journalists alike. Its the one we've all been waiting for.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3211274/Seconds-disaster-Pilots-reveal-harrowing-near-misses-ve-passengers-NO-IDEA-danger.html

Irish Steve

Sorry, this is gutter press sensationalism at it's worst. and very insensitive in the aftermath of the recent tragedy at Shoreham.

These "incidents" were competently and professionally managed by the flight crew, most of the time without the passengers even knowing there was an incident, without the DM, the majority of passengers would have known nothing about them.

The incidents that tend to get noticed are things like missed approaches (go around), which can be for a range of reasons, as the aircraft changes angle significantly, and the engine power increases very suddenly, what was expected to be a landing suddenly is not one, and the crew will be too busy to be making PA announcements for a while.

The other one that the passengers will notice is the "rubber jungle", which is a cabin pressurisation issue, and flight crew are very well trained in the specific procedures to follow when this happens.

For those who want to know what's happening in a wide part of the world, with no spin or inappropriate rumour, there are regular updates on the Aviation Herald web site http://aviationherald.com

Nothing gets on to the site unless it has been verified from multiple sources, and the reporting is very much restricted to facts that have been established.

The down side is that there is no reporting of General Aviation incidents, or ground incidents.

Tom Dunne

But competent crew, handling situations they are trained for, with a successful resolution, do not make good news stories.

Just like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnBr3enzW1I

I was shown this video the other day, can't recall what forum it was on, but there were a number of hysterical comments until somebody who actually knew what they were talking about said that what we see in the video was intentional.

Didn't you get the memo? In this age of social media, people have a right to be hysterical/outraged/ignorant.

Irish Steve

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo? In this age of social media, people have a right to be hysterical/outraged/ignorant.

Was that the same memo that said "if you tell people how close they didn't come to dying, that gives then the evidence they need to sue"?

Re the freighter. Delivery flight, so no cargo on board, perfect time to "wave goodbye" to the people that built it.

Seriously, it's a major issue across the industry at the moment, the relentless drive towards "standard operating procedures" is resulting in an increasing number of pilots who don't actually know what the limits of the performance envelope are for the type they are flying, and SOP's mean they don't know how to use it in an emergency.

Under normal circumstances, that's not an issue, and we can be very thankful for that, but, and it is a BIG but, when things go wrong, knowing how far you can push the envelope without it biting back is the difference between a good outcome and a bad outcome.

Why would you want to be able to do something that dramatic so close to the ground, given the real risk of s stall? How about if on rotation, you see a large flock of geese directly in your flight line. You can do nothing, and hope that they don't get the engines, or use the performance of the aircraft to miss them, or at least make it more likely that they won't go through all the engines because they are in line astern, if the aircraft has rolled, the engines are not all in a nice line to receive them.

If you don't know the performance capability of your aircraft, that's not a good idea, but if you do know, then using it is safe, though it might give some people on the ground a momentary heart attack, and lead to a possible discussion with the chief pilot.

mr.anonymous

"News" "Journalism"

I stick to AvHerald for any news about aircraft accidents.

When MH370 went missing, Sky News had a big set up to talk to pilots and other experts. They were stretching it when they brought someone in who sailed the Indian Ocean to confirm that it's big!

KoolKid

Great Journalism from The Sun today.

KoolKid

Tom Dunne wrote: »

But competent crew, handling situations they are trained for, with a successful resolution, do not make good news stories.

I was shown this video the other day, can't recall what forum it was on, but there were a number of hysterical comments until somebody who actually knew what they were talking about said that what we see in the video was intentional.

Ahh yes.
I have seen many sensationalist & dramatic story's written alongside wing wave videos.

FWVT

Sorry, I completely and utterly refuse to click on links to the Daily Mail because I do not want to give them the satisfaction of one more revenue-click. What was it about?

Actually, forget it, I don't want to know.

aphex™

It's a Daily Mail article about a reddit thread, which they link to here.

Quite why people moan about the DM, then post a link to their article is beyond me, esp. when the reddit link above was included in the DM article in the first place.