Bicycle facilities at DART Stations

JP Corky

Hi guys,
Looking for some advice in relation to the safety of leaving your bike locked outside Dublin's Dart Stations. I'm sure it varies according to location and facilities provided.

Reason I ask us because I left my bike locked outside Killiney Dart Station a while ago and it was vandalised. I contacted Iareann Road Eireann and they have since CCTV cameras overlooking the area where bikes are locked. They're currently in the process of installing signage.

Anyone any ideas on how to reduce the risk of have another bike vandalised / stolen outside a station such as Killiney, which is unmanned by staff?

Thanks.

GM228

JP Corky wrote: »

Hi guys,
Looking for some advice in relation to the safety of leaving your bike locked outside Dublin's Dart Stations. I'm sure it varies according to location and facilities provided.

Reason I ask us because I left my bike locked outside Killiney Dart Station a while ago and it was vandalised. I contacted Iareann Road Eireann and they have since CCTV cameras overlooking the area where bikes are locked. They're currently in the process of installing signage.

Anyone any ideas on how to reduce the risk of have another bike vandalised / stolen outside a station such as Killiney, which is unmanned by staff?

Thanks.

Unfortunately in this day and age there isn't much you can do to reduce the risk except not to lock it up in the first place, not ideal for some but the only real guarantee of non-vandalism!

Today's thugs don't be deterred by CCTV either it would seem!

GM228

Hilly Bill

JP Corky wrote: »

Hi guys,
Looking for some advice in relation to the safety of leaving your bike locked outside Dublin's Dart Stations. I'm sure it varies according to location and facilities provided.

Reason I ask us because I left my bike locked outside Killiney Dart Station a while ago and it was vandalised. I contacted Iareann Road Eireann and they have since CCTV cameras overlooking the area where bikes are locked. They're currently in the process of installing signage.

Anyone any ideas on how to reduce the risk of have another bike vandalised / stolen outside a station such as Killiney, which is unmanned by staff?

Thanks.

Its easy, dont leave it there in the first place. Even if the place was manned, they are not responsible for the safe keeping of your bike.

JP Corky

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Its easy, dont leave it there in the first place. Even if the place was manned, they are not responsible for the safe keeping of your bike.

Obviously, Iareann Road Eireann are not responsible for ensuring the safety of bicycles locked outside dart stations. My query was in relation to how to minimise risk of bike theft or vandalism whilst locked outside dart stations.

Thank you to the writer of the first response who at least tried to offer advice that was helpful.

Hilly Bill

You mentioned an unmanned station. What difference will a manned station do to the security of your bike?

JP Corky

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You mentioned an unmanned station. What difference will a manned station do to the security of your bike?

Having a member of staff present at the station can only have a positive affect on security in terms of the reporting of anti-social behaviour, which believe me is a regular occurrence at Killiney dart station.

"Hilly Bill", I posted on boards.ie kindly requesting advice on this matter; advice which clearly you are unable or unwilling to provide.

Please take your unhelpful comments elsewhere.

JP Corky

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You mentioned an unmanned station. What difference will a manned station do to the security of your bike?

Having a member of staff present at the station can only have a positive affect on security in terms of the reporting of anti-social behaviour, which believe me is a regular occurrence at Killiney dart station.

"Hilly Bill", I posted on boards.ie kindly requesting advice on this matter; advice which clearly you are unable or unwilling to provide.

Please take your unhelpful comments elsewhere.

monument

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Its easy, dont leave it there in the first place

There's government policy promoting cycling including cycling to train stations, and this topic is about keeping those bicycles parked, so we'll call your advice both unhelpful and off-topic.

-- Moderator

JP Corky wrote: »

Having a member of staff present at the station can only have a positive affect on security in terms of the reporting of anti-social behaviour, which believe me is a regular occurrence at Killiney dart station.

"Hilly Bill", I posted on boards.ie kindly requesting advice on this matter; advice which clearly you are unable or unwilling to provide.

Please take your unhelpful comments elsewhere.

Please don't backseat moderate.

-- Moderator

GM228

JP Corky wrote: »

Having a member of staff present at the station can only have a positive affect on security in terms of the reporting of anti-social behaviour, which believe me is a regular occurrence at Killiney dart station.

The unfortunate thing is that staff sometimes (not always obviously) either don't want to know/get involved due to fear of reprisal or lack of interest or even see any anti-social behaviour/bike theft etc. And I'm not just speaking about stations, the same situation arises in many professions.

Also bike crime in particular is regarded as easy pickings in the crime circle as most locks/equipment are easily and more importantly quickly broken making the crime quick and simple.

Again like CCTV a staff member won't always stop thugs of today especially when 90% of the time they get away with what there doing-they know this and take the chance even if they are looking you in the face.

They also know that the Gardaí most likely will not have a successful (or rather worthy) conviction If caught and it is usually next to impossible to recover either the bike for example or the expenses for damage incurred, leaving the owner out of pocket and extremely p****d off. Even when fines/damages etc are awarded they usually arn't paid as the thugs simply don't care and have no respect whatsoever for you, me or the law.

So in reality as I stated in the first reply the only true way to reduce the risk is to not park the bike in the first place, yes I know it's not ideal or the asnwer we look for but it is a fact-a sad fact!

GM228

Hilly Bill

Seeing this thread is about safety rather cycling to the station, any bike parked at a station is done so at the owners risk. The only way to guarantee your bike stays safe is to either don't bring it in the first place or use one of the bike lockers if available. Cctv will only help with the potential capture of bike thieves or vandals, it won't prevent nor will any staff member.

monument

Hilly Bill wrote: »

The only way to guarantee your bike stays safe is to either don't bring it in the first place

I've already ruled this off-topic -- an unhelpful and unconstructive response. Last chance. Infraction next.

The OP has made it clear what the point of the thread is:

JP Corky wrote: »

Obviously, Iareann Road Eireann are not responsible for ensuring the safety of bicycles locked outside dart stations. My query was in relation to how to minimise risk of bike theft or vandalism whilst locked outside dart stations.

We've already got the suggestion three times that people might be better not parking at train station. From now on that suggestion posted again will get posters an infraction.

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Seanmk1

If memory recalls, there used to be bicycle lockers at Clontarf Rd. I thought that they were a neat solution.

I'm not sure how many other DART stations got them.

AngryLips

This only applies to ensuring your bike doesn't get stolen and is generic as oppose to specific to dart stations but you should use two different types of locks when locking your bike and the locks should be secured in such a way as to make the bike almost immovable from the post that you are locking it to and should always be secured to the frame of the bike ...not just the wheel.

schemingbohemia

It really is nearly impossible to ensure that your bike won't be vandalised, all it takes is some muppet kicking in the wheel frame to render the bike un-useable. I suppose locking it where it's visible to the most amount of people would possibly help but all it takes is a couple of seconds and someone with a grudge and you end up walking your bike home.
My mate had his bike's wheel kicked in i'm fairly sure by a certain Bank's security guards, who surprising couldn't find evidence on their cctv. They only put a sign up saying no locking bikes to the railings the week after.

n97 mini

Seanmk1 wrote: »

If memory recalls, there used to be bicycle lockers at Clontarf Rd. I thought that they were a neat solution.

I'm not sure how many other DART stations got them.

There are bike lockers at my station too, but you have the rent a locker for a YEAR at at time, which is daft. It's like having to rent a parking space at the station for a year at a time.

http://www.bikelocker.ie/locations.html