Startect worm drench

brownswiss

Local vet dispensed enough Startect to dose one ram. I dosed him this morning and still have him in trailer. I have just realised that the instructions on dose amount that the vet gave were wrong. He gave me 8 ml for a 80 kg ram..

The Right Dose for Your Flock.
STARTECT® is a ready-to-use oral solution. The standard dose for sheep and lambs is 1 mL/5 kg (2 mg derquantel and 0.2 mg abamectin/kg). It is very important not to underdose and be sure to accurately weigh and dose very young lambs of less than 15 kgs.

Am I still ok to give him the remainder tomorrow?

roosky

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I would be nervous about giving him the remainder.....all you have done is two half job !

brownswiss

roosky wrote: »

I would be nervous about giving him the remainder.....all you have done is two half job !

You are correct. The vet said 2 half doses were fine but luckily the company replied to my email before I made a second mistake. I gave the full dose.
One would wonder about any advantage to animal or human welfare in having products on Veterinary prescription only

roosky

brownswiss wrote: »

You are correct. The vet said 2 half doses were fine but luckily the company replied to my email before I made a second mistake. I gave the full dose.
One would wonder about any advantage to animal or human welfare in having products on Veterinary prescription only

The idea of the prescription is to prevent resistance as happened with the white, clear and yellow drenches, they are worried that farmers will just over use and under dose until their sheep are resistant.

I see the only thing that prescription does is inflate the price, its about a euro a sheep which is two and a half if not 3 times the price of an ordinary drench.

rangler1

roosky wrote: »

The idea of the prescription is to prevent resistance as happened with the white, clear and yellow drenches, they are worried that farmers will just over use and under dose until their sheep are resistant.

I see the only thing that prescription does is inflate the price, its about a euro a sheep which is two and a half if not 3 times the price of an ordinary drench.

Apparently there's no new doses on the horizon and they don't want farmers messing up these new ones by using them too much, underdosing, etc so the price will make farmers respect them, because when resistance comes with these there's nothing else

roosky

rangler1 wrote: »

Apparently there's no new doses on the horizon and they don't want farmers messing up these new ones by using them too much, underdosing, etc so the price will make farmers respect them, because when resistance comes with these there's nothing else

Is that scare mongering before startect they said there was nothing else!

brownswiss

rangler1 wrote: »

Apparently there's no new doses on the horizon and they don't want farmers messing up these new ones by using them too much, underdosing, etc so the price will make farmers respect them, because when resistance comes with these there's nothing else

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You will see from my post that is was the Vet who messed up & caused the under dosing

rangler1

brownswiss wrote: »

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You will see from my post that is was the Vet who messed up & caused the under dosing

one vet, one mistake, you want to see the amount of wormer resistance out there before vets got involved

AntrimGlens

rangler1 wrote: »

Apparently there's no new doses on the horizon and they don't want farmers messing up these new ones by using them too much, underdosing, etc so the price will make farmers respect them, because when resistance comes with these there's nothing else

Rangler,did you see this from the farmers weekly. http://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/trial-shows-sheep-farmers-can-slow-or-reverse-worm-resistance.htm

rangler1

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Rangler,did you see this from the farmers weekly. http://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/trial-shows-sheep-farmers-can-slow-or-reverse-worm-resistance.htm

I suppose you can say we're slowing the resistance problem on our farm by being careful, every type of wormer is 100% effective here despite it being a large (for Ireland) intensive flock

combinations of drugs will eventually fail if they are used too much too

Green farmer

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Rangler,did you see this from the farmers weekly. [/URL]

Funnily enough I was thinking about the same thing overnight. I've a batch of ewe lambs needing dosing. Just started ringing around for a product I saw last year. Arrest is the name of it, I think. Uses two of the groups mixed together.
I'm also going to start not having sheep grazing same paddock at the same time of year , two years running .

orm0nd

Green farmer wrote: »

Funnily enough I was thinking about the same thing overnight. I've a batch of ewe lambs needing dosing. Just started ringing around for a product I saw last year. Arrest is the name of it, I think. Uses two of the groups mixed together.
I'm also going to start not having sheep grazing same paddock at the same time of year , two years running .

we call it reverse rotation & think it helps a bit,

used Arrest earlier this year, and thought it worked fairly well, but having said that a good lot of our lambs would have been sold without getting any dose

was discussing it with my son earlier & he's talking about moving to early lamb only

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

Funnily enough I was thinking about the same thing overnight. I've a batch of ewe lambs needing dosing. Just started ringing around for a product I saw last year. Arrest is the name of it, I think. Uses two of the groups mixed together.
I'm also going to start not having sheep grazing same paddock at the same time of year , two years running .

Mixed grazing is really the best way to reduce the incidence of worms in pastures

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Mixed grazing is really the best way to reduce the incidence of worms in pastures

As in cattle and sheep ? Same as yourself, sheep only here. Could also go down the same road as the dairy sector with the zero grazing and bring the feed to them in a shed all year around. Something abit unnatural about it though.

ganmo

I asked a person researching worms how long would it take land to become 'clean' again the answer was at least 5 years. that was with no stock on it at all

rangler1

ganmo wrote: »

I asked a person researching worms how long would it take land to become 'clean' again the answer was at least 5 years. that was with no stock on it at all

I don't know about 5years, but I could well believe it. I do know that if your worms are resistant to all the doses, that you can never go back to sheep farming
I think the organic guys try to only put sheep on land that was free of sheep for the whole of the previous year.
Again only workable on farms with both cattle and sheep

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

As in cattle and sheep ? Same as yourself, sheep only here. Could also go down the same road as the dairy sector with the zero grazing and bring the feed to them in a shed all year around. Something abit unnatural about it though.

You can watch these on your time off....whenever that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_Ykykxn8o&list=PLtImzmj0GoB5p-rIFrzl0YFozWzHgk-ly

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

You can watch these on your time off....whenever that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_Ykykxn8o&list=PLtImzmj0GoB5p-rIFrzl0YFozWzHgk-ly

Had a look at some of those clips after dinner. The woman in the clips knows her stuff in relation to sheep. She made an interesting point, that running old ewes around a field reduces the worm burden in a field as they've so much immunity built up that they pass very little worms back onto pasture!!! Didn't think of that before but makes sense. You'd always be giving the lambs the first grazing with ewes moping up afterward .

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

Had a look at some of those clips after dinner. The woman in the clips knows her stuff in relation to sheep. She made an interesting point, that running old ewes around a field reduces the worm burden in a field as they've so much immunity built up that they pass very little worms back onto pasture!!! Didn't think of that before but makes sense. You'd always be giving the lambs the first grazing with ewes moping up afterward .

Did she really mean putting the ewes in first...I doubt it, They'll hoover up the worm eggs after the lambs leave and reduces the worm egg burden for the next grazing in two to three weeks time
Ewes getting the best of the grass in a paddock wouldn't be long flooring your lamb thrive.

Green farmer

Apologies, I think she meant giving ewes first grazing to clean field and then grazing lambs on regrowth a few weeks later, But same principal as you mention. Using old ewes efficiently as a tool to clean fields.

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

Apologies, I think she meant giving ewes first grazing to clean field and then grazing lambs on regrowth a few weeks later, But same principal as you mention. Using old ewes efficiently as a tool to clean fields.

I haven't watched any of those but have been at two conferences where she spoke and thought she was good, she's a sheep farmer herself.

brownswiss

rangler1 wrote: »

one vet, one mistake, you want to see the amount of wormer resistance out there before vets got involved

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The only guy I see doing anything for worm resistance is our Teagasc advisor and the vets were slow to come on board

rangler1

brownswiss wrote: »

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The only guy I see doing anything for worm resistance is our Teagasc advisor and the vets were slow to come on board

We're providing a FEC service practically free here (ie. voluntary donation that goes to Bothar) and getting very little demand, so the farmers have to come on board first.
I tried to get athenry to train the local teagasc offices to provide the service, but they weren't bothered

brownswiss

rangler1 wrote: »

We're providing a FEC service practically free here (ie. voluntary donation that goes to Bothar) and getting very little demand, so the farmers have to come on board first.
I tried to get athenry to train the local teagasc offices to provide the service, but they weren't bothered

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Did not realise you were a vet.. Sorry!... We have a Very Very good sheep advisor in the Sligo/ Leitrim area and he has really led the way in encouraging us to sample and dose accordingly... he has an up hill battle with us and some of the vets were initially very dismissive of his efforts

rangler1

brownswiss wrote: »

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Did not realise you were a vet.. Sorry!... We have a Very Very good sheep advisor in the Sligo/ Leitrim area and he has really led the way in encouraging us to sample and dose accordingly... he has an up hill battle with us and some of the vets were initially very dismissive of his efforts

I'm not a vet, wife learnt how to do the FECs and she does it for the local farmers

brownswiss

Great Service... Fair play to her

Green farmer

Going to buy in some ewe lambs soon to boost numbers here. Thinking about some type of orange dose as a quarantee drench. Anyone use it yet or have a price on a bottle of the stuff ?

Green farmer

Green farmer wrote: »

Going to buy in some ewe lambs soon to boost numbers here. Thinking about some type of orange dose as a quarantee drench. Anyone use it yet or have a price on a bottle of the stuff ?

New bought in ewe lambs arriving on farm at the weekend, ended up getting a bottle of startect in vets. Might be the cheapest bottle of drench bought as ensures no unwanted worms enter farm.