18 hour contract - full salary?

highly1111

Hi

I've been offered a department paid, own hours, contract for 18 hours. I know with a CID if you sign a contract stating you are willing to work 22 hours, you receive the full salary. However, it's only my first year and so not a CID, so do I get the full salary or just 18/22? It doesn't state on the ASTI website and I'm not too sure.

Thanks in advance

sitstill

highly1111 wrote: »

Hi

I've been offered a department paid, own hours, contract for 18 hours. I know with a CID if you sign a contract stating you are willing to work 22 hours, you receive the full salary. However, it's only my first year and so not a CID, so do I get the full salary or just 18/22? It doesn't state on the ASTI website and I'm not too sure.

Thanks in advance

You will just get paid for the 18 hours on the rpt contract.

man_no_plan

The 22 hour rule applies only to your cid as stated above.

On the upside if you are reappointed next year on cid you will effectively be PWT.

Mardy Bum

man_no_plan wrote: »

The 22 hour rule applies only to your cid as stated above.

On the upside if you are reappointed next year on cid you will effectively be PWT.

You don't get a cid on reappointment after the first year you get another RPT contract.

highly1111

I got a call this morning and I've been offered another job at 14 hours per week at the hourly rate of €46 odd (can't remember exactly). However, how can I tell the difference between the two offers? The 18 hour principal said it would be a pro rata salary but the 14 hour one said it would be hourly. Now, I'm really confused! They would both be my own hours. One is department paid and the other is private if that makes any difference.

Any help would be great!

Newdawn11

Definitely take the Dept paid job.

highly1111

Newdawn11 wrote: »

Definitely take the Dept paid job.

I'm certainly going to - I wonder is the private shorter contract trying to pull a fast one by giving me a 9 month contract?? I'm just looking for clarification as the dept one is a bit of a commute aw while the private one is literally down the road - just trying to make the most informed decision possible.

Newdawn11

highly1111 wrote: »

I'm certainly going to - I wonder is the private shorter contract trying to pull a fast one by giving me a 9 month contract?? I'm just looking for clarification as the dept one is a bit of a commute aw while the private one is literally down the road - just trying to make the most informed decision possible.

It sounds like the privately paid one will be just hourly paid for the duration of the school year ie 9 months and may not include holidays-you would have to check.

From the point of view of service, pension etc a Dept paid position is preferable.
There are some privately paid staff in my school who have had difficulties with getting service recognized, contracts etc
so even with the commute the Dept paid position is better.
Best of luck

evolving_doors

Newdawn11 wrote: »

Definitely take the Dept paid job.

Privately paid on their own terms is a joke these days. The cleaner for the school probably has better security of tenure than you would. It sounds as if an hourly rate is to avoid paying over holidays etc. also it would seem to imply that you would have no parity with dept. paid teachers in the same school (increments, entitlement to apply for A/B posts )

Take the dept. job. No matter how tough it might be remember that a privately paid job goes nowhere.

rainbowtrout

highly1111 wrote: »

I got a call this morning and I've been offered another job at 14 hours per week at the hourly rate of €46 odd (can't remember exactly). However, how can I tell the difference between the two offers? The 18 hour principal said it would be a pro rata salary but the 14 hour one said it would be hourly. Now, I'm really confused! They would both be my own hours. One is department paid and the other is private if that makes any difference.

Any help would be great!

highly1111 wrote: »

I'm certainly going to - I wonder is the private shorter contract trying to pull a fast one by giving me a 9 month contract?? I'm just looking for clarification as the dept one is a bit of a commute aw while the private one is literally down the road - just trying to make the most informed decision possible.

Take the 18 hour job, even if the other one is handier. 18 hours department paid means that you have your own hours, you will get your increment and it will count for a year of your pension. Assuming no major cutbacks in the school and you have no problems during the year then the job should be there the following year. You get two years of that, you will have a CID. Even the notion of it being 18 hours is promising in itself with so many principals keeping hours below 18 to prevent providing a full hours CID down the line. The pro-rata salary means you will be paid 18/22 of whatever point you are at on the scale for the entire 12 months.

The 14 hour job, they are perfectly entitled to pay you whatever rate they want and make the contract any duration they want. They are not bound by unions or department as it is a privately paid job. So it sounds like they are avoiding paying you for the school holidays. Come next June that job might be there again the following September but you won't be getting paid for the summer. Also if they are paying you the €46 rate, it means they are paying you the qualified sub rate, so no increments for you. You could be in that job for years without any advancement up the payscale, or summer pay. You also won't have any years in the Dept pension. Also if there are any cuts (financially) in the school, it won't be the CID Department paid teachers that get the chop.


In financial terms if you are on the first point of the new scale (€30792) and get paid 18/22 of that over the course of the year you will be paid €25119.

If you are paid €46 per hour for 14 hours a week and paid for 9 months (39/52 weeks) = €25116. If you are not paid for holidays during school year (not sure how this works for privately paid teachers) that drops to about €21.5k.

A friend of mine has recently given up a permanent job and taken a privately paid job on full hours because she needed to move across the country. She too will be paid €46 per hour. She was on the old pay scale, so none of her allowances are being taken into account and while she has been told the privately paid job will be there in the long term, €46 is a flat rate and she will not receive increments, if she stays in it long term.

On the other hand if you get a second year in either school, the pay in the private school most likely won't change, the pay for the second year in the dept job will be €27137. If you are retained for that second year and get your CID at the end of it, and move onto point 3 of the scale, you'll be on €33,950 ( again assuming you are on 18 hours in your second year and then are paid for full hours in year 3 onwards).

Honestly, I'd say it's a no brainer. Dept > private any day of the week.

theLuggage

The 9 month contract is also a way of preventing you working up a full year for your CID - definitely trying to take advantage - avoid!

highly1111

Thanks all. You have all fully validated my decision to take the department job with 18 hours. As mentioned I just wanted to be fully informed and now I am! I'm absolutely thrilled. Graduated in 2010 and after years of contracts in several schools I've finally got some job security. I couldn't be happier and will be racing down on Tuesday to sign the contract!!

janes1234

rainbowtrout wrote:

A friend of mine has recently given up a permanent job and taken a privately paid job on full hours because she needed to move across the country. She too will be paid €46 per hour. She was on the old pay scale, so none of her allowances are being taken into account and while she has been told the privately paid job will be there in the long term, €46 is a flat rate and she will not receive increments, if she stays in it long term.

Don't some private schools pay increments?

evolving_doors

janes1234 wrote: »

Don't some private schools pay increments?

Some do. But an hourly rate suggests otherwise.

joebloggs32

highly1111 wrote: »

Thanks all. You have all fully validated my decision to take the department job with 18 hours. As mentioned I just wanted to be fully informed and now I am! I'm absolutely thrilled. Graduated in 2010 and after years of contracts in several schools I've finally got some job security. I couldn't be happier and will be racing down on Tuesday to sign the contract!!

You are due increments so for the hours already worked. If you don't have enough hours in one year to reach the increment threshold then service for two years can be combined. I think its 600 hours to get an increment but I'm open to correction on that. Look it up on the union website. Make sure to claim this as if you start off on the wrong increment and stay on it for the rest of your career you will literally lose tens of thousands over your teaching career.