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Motor Tax Arrears - No Declaration of Non-Use

  • 19-08-2015 6:52am
    #1
    Rpdana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭


    - I went to live and work abroad in mid-2000's and garaged a classic car then.
    - Spoke with guards at time, they advised make declaration of non-use on return. Correct procedure at that time.
    - Now back, got car fixed up and went to tax it and Motor Tax want approx. 10 years back tax with interest and penalties.
    - Legislation changed while I was away, I was unaware. Car never driven since garaged.

    Anyone experience of any exemption in similar case?
    Is there any loophole available, whereby I transfer/'sell'' the car to a family member then transfer back after a short period?
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  • #2
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    Rpdana wrote: »
    Is there any loophole available, whereby I transfer/'sell'' the car to a family member then transfer back after a short period?
    yes


  • #3
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    GrumpyMe wrote: »
    yes


    +1

    Its a ridicilous situation..you should be able to declare at any stage and NOT have to renew it every year, if its off the road its off the road for as long as youre not using it.....its another money making scam..


  • #4
    savagethegoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭savagethegoat


    Change the registered owner and the arrears will disappear. Maybe your Da or Brother would like to be the new paper owner for a short while


  • #5
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    savagethegoat wrote: »
    Change the registered owner and the arrears will disappear. Maybe your Da or Brother would like to be the new paper owner for a short while


    Dont trust family...do you never watch Judge Judy.....:D


  • #6
    fergiesfolly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    This happened a "close friend"
    His "other friend" "purchased" the car and when the ownership changed, the unpaid taxes seems to disappear into the mist.
    I believe the "close friend" may be "purchasing" the car back soon:D


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  • #7
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,122 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    Rpdana wrote: »
    went to tax it and Motor Tax want approx. 10 years back tax with interest and penalties.

    This kind of stupid legislation would drive even a saint to break the law.

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  • #8
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    unkel wrote: »
    This kind of stupid legislation would drive even a saint to break the law.
    But there is no need to break the law!
    Transfer ownership to anyone else - they tax the car without the need to pay any arrears - they transfer the car back to you - taxed and clear of any arrears.


  • #9
    The Big Red Fella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭The Big Red Fella


    GrumpyMe wrote: »
    But there is no need to break the law!
    Transfer ownership to anyone else - they tax the car without the need to pay any arrears - they transfer the car back to you - taxed and clear of any arrears.

    they dont have to tax it just declare it off the road dont be givin them feckers any money!


  • #10
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    The Big Red Fella wrote: »
    they dont have to tax it just declare it off the road dont be givin them feckers any money!


    You only need to transfer it...then back , and thats it...


  • #11
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    The Big Red Fella wrote: »
    they dont have to tax it just declare it off the road dont be givin them feckers any money!

    "But - there's a hole in the bucket dear Elisa, dear Elisa ..."
    Rpdana wrote: »
    ... went to tax it and Motor Tax want approx. 10 years back tax with interest and penalties...

    Since OP was going to tax it I presumed car was going back on the road. It would therefore have to be taxed and rather than requiring the "new" owner to declare it off the road - easiest is to just get them to tax it then transfer it back.

    If it is not going back on the road no action is required at all. Status quo rules - don't do anything, don't transfer ownership, don't transfer ownership back and don't tax it - nothing!


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  • #12
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    I would be inclined to do a change of ownership ( and back again), then declare it SORD, if keeping it off the road (otherwise just tax it after the change).
    You never know when the rules might change........;)


  • #13
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    fergiesfolly wrote: »
    This happened a "close friend"
    His "other friend" "purchased" the car and when the ownership changed, the unpaid taxes seems to disappear into the mist.
    I believe the "close friend" may be "purchasing" the car back soon:D

    I think I know a friend of your 'friend'.

    Her 'husband' took possession of 'her' car for a while when she was unexpectedly called away to a sick relative overseas.

    Happens.

    But she's back now, and she's got her 'back' from the husband again.

    P.S. the relative is doing well.

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  • #14
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...Her 'husband' took possession of 'her' car for a while when she was unexpectedly called away to a sick relative overseas...
    Taking possession won't work! The back story is ott and surplus to requirements.

    It is 100% legal to tranfer ownership to ANYONE else and back again. It is the transfer in ownership that does the necessary. The new owner is NOT responsible for the outstanding back taxes and can tax it from date of transfer and can transfer it back again whenever... The outstanding overdue back tax don't follow and are 100% legally "written off".


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