ICBF

wiggy123

Quick question folks..
Seen set of twin pedigree angus bulls for sale:
checking breeding--star values,etc..
and there different--how would this be..

https://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/1186027906

https://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/1186029896

Surely be the same, unless different weighs at birth/growth figures maybe would cause this????

Kovu

Linear scoring I'd say.

wiggy123

ok... be unsure if this breeder uses that... young bulls also

mikeoh

When I look up my pbaa bulls on icbf and look up previous evaluation.....the first evaluation is 6 months before their dob.....how can that be,???

And how can they be linear scored if nobody has seen them .....I dont accept sire + dam divided by 2 as some of my smallest cows produce big calf and some of my biggest cows the smallest !!!

The man in red and black

Just wondering if buying PBR beef heifers can you look up their ratings like you can for a bull through bull search?

Canaryblue

The man in red and black wrote: »

Just wondering if buying PBR beef heifers can you look up their ratings like you can for a bull through bull search?

You can, but not on ICBF. You'll have to look them up on the relevant online herdbook for that breed. For instance here is the Simmental one http://193.120.218.17/taurus/herdbook/index.php?org_code=SI

Then just go to the traits tab. Can also be handy to look at the dams and see how many calves they have registered to them and what their calving interval is like.

The man in red and black

Canaryblue wrote: »

You can, but not on ICBF. You'll have to look them up on the relevant online herdbook for that breed. For instance here is the Simmental one http://193.120.218.17/taurus/herdbook/index.php?org_code=SI

Then just go to the traits tab. Can also be handy to look at the dams and see how many calves they have registered to them and what their calving interval is like.

Unreal, thanks alot, exactly what I was looking for!

Bellview

wiggy123 wrote: »

ok... be unsure if this breeder uses that... young bulls also

I have had full brothers and the rating changes... ironically if your bull has a good weight gain his calving difficulty increases.. which appears crazy but that is how the ICBF computer works.. feels stupid

Base price

wiggy123 wrote: »

Quick question folks..
Seen set of twin pedigree angus bulls for sale:
checking breeding--star values,etc..
and there different--how would this be..

https://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/1186027906

https://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/1186029896

Surely be the same, unless different weighs at birth/growth figures maybe would cause this????

Probably genetics. Just because they are twins doesn't mean they will have the same scores.
I had twin bulls on test in Tully years ago and their figures were like chalk and cheese.

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

Probably genetics. Just because they are twins doesn't mean they will have the same scores.
I had twin bulls on test in Tully years ago and their figures were like chalk and cheese.

20 - 30% accuracy is rubbish as well, those cattles figures could do anything in the next 12 mths

Nettleman

I printed August evaluations for some bulls I was interested in looking to use (11 August). Went in again over the weekend and printed again and eventhough its still using the august evaluation, the values have changed for the better!!

FPI was €166 replacement now €169, Terminal gone from 96 to 98. Carcass wght was 17kg, now 18kg, Daughters CD was 6.8, now its 6.5. All these numbers have been changed eventhough they are supposed to be based on August evaluation and theres no change to reliability %'s.

Goal posts moving in between valuations, and also interesting, in this case at least, all the stats are improved.

Canaryblue

Nettleman wrote: »

I printed August evaluations for some bulls I was interested in looking to use (11 August). Went in again over the weekend and printed again and eventhough its still using the august evaluation, the values have changed for the better!!

FPI was €166 replacement now €169, Terminal gone from 96 to 98. Carcass wght was 17kg, now 18kg, Daughters CD was 6.8, now its 6.5. All these numbers have been changed eventhough they are supposed to be based on August evaluation and theres no change to reliability %'s.

Goal posts moving in between valuations, and also interesting, in this case at least, all the stats are improved.

If you look at the previous evaluations you'll see that there's 'Aug 2015' and 'Aug 2015 Beef'. Presumably they made errors in the original august update and had to re-release all the evaluations again.

Nettleman

Canaryblue wrote: »

If you look at the previous evaluations you'll see that there's 'Aug 2015' and 'Aug 2015 Beef'. Presumably they made errors in the original august update and had to re-release all the evaluations again.

Lucky for them they're not on the same penalty regime as the farmers then.:rolleyes:

Mac Taylor

Does anyone know can you generate a sales catelogue for commercial cattle (with known sires) unless my memory is failing me you could once but it does not seem to be case any more? It seems to only work now for pbr's thanks. Mac

Kovu

The applications tab and then hit sales catalogue, all the cattle show up there and then just tick the ones you want to print out.

I just tried it there to check and all ours show up, not just the PB's.

Mac Taylor

Kovu wrote: »

The applications tab and then hit sales catalogue, all the cattle show up there and then just tick the ones you want to print out.

I just tried it there to check and all ours show up, not just the PB's.

Thanks kovu, mine are showing up but I'm only getting blanks for the commercials when I generate the report.

Kovu

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Thanks kovu, mine are showing up but I'm only getting blanks for the commercials when I generate the report.

Oh I see what you mean now. Wasn't there a bug in that site last week, maybe it knocked out the commercial beef option? Might be good to give them a ring or email tomorrow.

Mac Taylor

Kovu wrote: »

Oh I see what you mean now. Wasn't there a bug in that site last week, maybe it knocked out the commercial beef option? Might be good to give them a ring or email tomorrow.

Thanks again, I thought I was losing it. Auld age is catching up with me, but at least my memory is holding up.:D