Driving in UK if banned in Ireland

Sillysimon66

Hi, I have currently a 10 year ban in Ireland but I need to relocate to UK for work can I apply for a UK licence and drive there?
No lectures please I just want advice

Deagol

EDIT:

we can't give legal advice.

IMO....

No, to get a UK licence you would need to surrender your Irish licence. Either that or you would need to be dishonest, lie that you don't or haven't previously held another driving licence and redo your test in the UK.

I still think there is a substantial chance the authorties in the UK would check with their counterparts here and if you where found out I can imagine the repurcussions would be serious.

Victor

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

No lectures please I just want advice

This is the Legal Discussion forum, not the Legal Advice forum, we can't give legal advice. But I can advise you to f*ck off.

tommy trash

Victor wrote: »

This is the Legal Discussion forum, not the Legal Advice forum, we can't give legal advice. But I can advise you to f*ck off.

harsh reply man only asking a question

Sillysimon66

Victor wrote: »

This is the Legal Discussion forum, not the Legal Advice forum, we can't give legal advice. But I can advise you to f*ck off.

Are u serious? And ur a moderator? Boards.ie are seriously letting any fool become a moderator these days
Shame on u

Calhoun

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

Are u serious? And ur a moderator? Boards.ie are seriously letting any fool become a moderator these days
Shame on u

To be fair for a 10 year ban there are a handful of fairly serious offences meaning you shouldn't be on the road as your a danger to others.

By even looking for help you don't really consider the seriousness of your offence.

I would say he's fairly spot on in his response.

not even wrong

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/index/information-and-services/motoring/driver-licensing/endorsements-and-disqualifications/driving-disqualifications.htm

There is mutual recognition of driving disqualifications between Northern Ireland, Great Britain, Republic of Ireland and Isle of Man.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driving_offences/driving_offences.html

Mutual recognition of driving disqualifications between Ireland and the UK (including Norther Ireland) came into operation from 28 January 2010. It does not include disqualifications resulting from the accumulation of penalty points.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/mutual_recognition_of_driving_disqualification/

If a driver continues to drive when disqualified under the terms of the mutual recognition of driving disqualifications what happens?

If a driver who is disqualified in the UK as a result of the recognition of an Irish disqualification continues to drive in the UK and is caught by the police, then he/she is committing the offence of "driving whilst disqualified" (s.103(1)(b) Road Traffic Act 1988). If the driver has not returned the licence to DVLA by the expiry of the 21 day period in the s.57 notice, there is also a further offence of failing to deliver the licence (see s.63, s.64 and s.65 CICA).

henryporter

At least they have better public transport in the UK - you won't be stuck like you would here!

Pat Mustard

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slimjimmc

not even wrong wrote: »

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/mutual_recognition_of_driving_disqualification/

The mutual recognition of disqualifications doesn't apply here as the OP was banned by his home (issuing) country.
From the above site:

The purpose of the Convention is to prevent drivers disqualified from driving in a Member State of the European Union (EU), other than their own, from escaping the consequences when they return home.

I'm open to correction but once your home country takes away your driving privileges you are not entitled to drive anywhere in the EU as you no longer have a valid licence.

Pat Mustard

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High-horse moralising is off topic and will be deleted. Legal discussion only please.

Off topic post deleted.

Pat Mustard

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MarkAnthony

OP please don't take this as high horsing but please do bear in mind the Irish system is pretty lax at the best of times. The UK take traffic offences much more seriously and are much more willing to seize cars, issue fines and are definitely more prone to locking people up.

They are also much, much more likely to catch offenders. I'd check with a solicitor (either England & Wales OR Scotland depending on where you end up) to be certain. If you can go down the route of getting a completely new licence (I make no comment on whether you can) bear in mind the standard of driving is much higher, especially hazard perception, than here and being caught driving on the provisional will have serious repercussions.

Fred Swanson

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slimjimmc

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Not when it's used in the context of the OP's situation i.e. his Irish issued driving licence suspended by an Irish court. Moving his residence to another country doesn't change that.

seamus

Legally, there is mutual recognition of driving bans between the UK and Ireland.

I'm not sure what the mechanism is behind it, but if the UK catches you with a UK licence while you've been disqualified in Ireland, they will come down hard on you, probably imposing a large fine and a longer ban. Which the Irish government will then uphold.

Move to the UK and get a job in London. You won't need a car.

MarkAnthony

seamus wrote: »

Legally, there is mutual recognition of driving bans between the UK and Ireland.

I'm not sure what the mechanism is behind it, but if the UK catches you with a UK licence while you've been disqualified in Ireland, they will come down hard on you, probably imposing a large fine and a longer ban. Which the Irish government will then uphold.

Move to the UK and get a job in London. You won't need a car.

If he's disqual I suspect sometime at Her Majesty's hotels will be in order.

Sillysimon66

Op here I'm somewhat confused
Does this mean I can drive in UK

on_my_oe

Short story (judging by what I've read in these posts myself), no you can't.

The UK recognises the Irish driving ban and if you are picked up and found to be driving while disqualified, they'll seize the car and you'll be appearing in court where the ban will probably be extended and a large fine imposed.

Don't do it. Chose a city or town with a decent public transport system

Uncle Ben

The op could give the Irish version of his name and the address of his brother or sister or aunts or uncles house in Ireland as his home address etc etc and then apply for his licence in the UK.

Losty Dublin

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The op could give the Irish version of his name and the address of his brother or sister or aunts or uncles house in Ireland as his home address etc etc and then apply for his licence in the UK.

Correct me if I am wrong but to get a UK licence this way then you would presumably need a UK postal address. If so then it would render your advice trivial at best and illegal at the other end of the scale as your Irish ban is still in place.

paulmclaughlin

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The op could give the Irish version of his name and the address of his brother or sister or aunts or uncles house in Ireland as his home address etc etc and then apply for his licence in the UK.

Why are you trying to help someone circumvent a 10 year driving ban? For such a ban duration to have been handed out, they must be a great danger on our roads. I, for one, don't want to be sharing the road with such drivers, especially when they audacity to ignore the consequences of their behaviour.

Faith+1

Victor wrote: »

This is the Legal Discussion forum, not the Legal Advice forum, we can't give legal advice. But I can advise you to f*ck off.

The perks of being a mod! Lol

Uncle Ben

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong but to get a UK licence this way then you would presumably need a UK postal address. If so then it would render your advice trivial at best and illegal at the other end of the scale as your Irish ban is still in place.

The op is going to the UK so presumably he has an address. He then applies for a provisional licence over there and does the test with his new details. The fact that he has a ban and is trying to get around it which is illegal has no bearing as far as I'm concerned. This is after all not legal advice but rather a legal discussion.

Sillysimon66

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The op could give the Irish version of his name and the address of his brother or sister or aunts or uncles house in Ireland as his home address etc etc and then apply for his licence in the UK.

Thanks do u think this would work

njs030

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The op could give the Irish version of his name and the address of his brother or sister or aunts or uncles house in Ireland as his home address etc etc and then apply for his licence in the UK.

Really? And how would he prove his identity to the UK government which they ask for when applying for a license? Passport, national ID card etc.....all things that need police signatures and birth certs!!

No op that won't work.

Also what's your plan for getting insurance if you do get a UK licence? Are you going to lie in the bit where it asks if you have ever been banned? I think (though I could be corrected) that that would be insurance fraud and invalidate your policy in an accident.

Where are you moving to? Most people in big cities in the UK don't need to drive.

Losty Dublin

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The op is going to the UK so presumably he has an address. He then applies for a provisional licence over there and does the test with his new details. The fact that he has a ban and is trying to get around it which is illegal has no bearing as far as I'm concerned. This is after all not legal advice but rather a legal discussion.

Fair point though I was answering the point about using an alternative Irish address and his name as Gaelige.

So, when he fills out his form and comes to the "have you been banned from driving?" question, what does he select and why?

Sillysimon66

notjustsweet wrote: »

Really? And how would he prove his identity to the UK government which they ask for when applying for a license? Passport, national ID card etc.....all things that need police signatures and birth certs!!

No op that won't work.

Also what's your plan for getting insurance if you do get a UK licence? Are you going to lie in the bit where it asks if you have ever been banned? I think (though I could be corrected) that that would be insurance fraud and invalidate your policy in an accident.

Where are you moving to? Most people in big cities in the UK don't need to drive.

Moving to London for 1 year but if u could drive I would make it permanent
I live in rural Mayo and can't survive here not driving

Sillysimon66

I'm desperate is there any way around this?
I am a professional I have a good career history so realistically the UK isn't my only option
My future is bleak here
What are my options?
What would u do in my situation

aunt aggie

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

Moving to London for 1 year but if u could drive I would make it permanent
I live in rural Mayo and can't survive here not driving

You don't need a car in London. It's a useless expense.

And don't try to circumvent the law. Even if you do somehow manage to get a UK license, a 10 year ban will follow you as other posters have said. If you have an accident in England, the insurance company and police will look very closely at your driving history.

You will also have to disclose any convictions in Ireland if you require a CRB check for work.

Stheno

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

I'm desperate is there any way around this?
I am a professional I have a good career history so realistically the UK isn't my only option
My future is bleak here
What are my options?
What would u do in my situation

Find a job where you can live somewhere you don't need to drive or a jurisdiction that doesn't share data and information with Ireland?

If you are moving to London why would you need a car? one of the best public transport systems I have used tbh

Sillysimon66

Stheno wrote: »

Find a job where you can live somewhere you don't need to drive or a jurisdiction that doesn't share data and information with Ireland?

If you are moving to London why would you need a car? one of the best public transport systems I have used tbh

I have never lived there so I wasn't sure

aunt aggie

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

I have never lived there so I wasn't sure

Well that's what you should probably be researching. It doesn't matter how high paid or prestigious your career is, you're getting the tube to work. And if you're a lady, you'll walk to the tube in an old pair of trainers and change into heels at your desk. No one even blinks an eye.

If you think you can afford a car in London, then you should definitely be able to rent somewhere near a tube station or bus stop. (Preferably somewhere with good night bus links too)

Stheno

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

I have never lived there so I wasn't sure

I'd rather pull my brains out through my eyes than drive in London.

If you check my posts about Dublin public transport I hate it.

I LOVE the public transport system in London, my sister lives there and doesn't have a car.

If you are moving there, forget a car and start learning about zones in London and how that affects rent/travel costs.

Nomis21

OP you almost certainly must have serious problems with your driving ability to get a 10 year ban, but please correct me if you think I am wrong.

This being the case I suspect the UK authorities if they do a check check will easily be able to access your case in Ireland and refuse a licence to you.

Stheno

Nomis21 wrote: »

OP you almost certainly must have killed someone as a result of your driving to get a 10 year ban, but please correct me if I am wrong.

This being the case I suspect the UK authorities if they do a check check will easily be able to access your case in Ireland and refuse a licence to you.

Repeated serious offences without loss of life incur this penalty too

Mumha

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

I have never lived there so I wasn't sure

Stheno is right, go to London and there is no need to drive. Don't compound the mistake you've made. I've a brother in law in the Met Police, and he would even have to book me, if I transgressed. They would throw the book at you, and follow through.

This is from the Provisional Appln website in UK

To get your first provisional driving licence online for a car, motorcycle or moped you must:
be a resident of Great Britain - there’s a different service in Northern Ireland
meet the minimum age requirement
meet the minimum eyesight requirement
not be prevented from driving for any reason
pay £34 by MasterCard, Visa, Electron, Maestro or Delta debit or credit card
have a valid UK passport or other form of identity
have your National Insurance number if known
provide addresses where you’ve lived over the last 3 years

Sillysimon66

Thanks for all the replies

FreudianSlippers

Uncle Ben wrote: »

The op could give the Irish version of his name and the address of his brother or sister or aunts or uncles house in Ireland as his home address etc etc and then apply for his licence in the UK.

It sure looks like advice (and bad advice at that) to me. In any event, discussing circumvention of lawful convictions (etc.) is not allowed here.

Saipanne

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

I'm desperate is there any way around this?
I am a professional I have a good career history so realistically the UK isn't my only option
My future is bleak here
What are my options?
What would u do in my situation

One option is to not put other peoples mother's, brothers, daughters, etc lives in danger by not putting yourself behind the wheel of a car.

But that doesn't really matter to you. All that matters is what you want, no matter the consequences.

FreudianSlippers

Sillysimon66 wrote: »

I have never lived there so I wasn't sure

I'm guessing you've never been there either. Do you know about the congestion charge?

Traffic is a nightmare there. I'd suggest maybe going to visit London before moving there; even baby steps and start in central Dublin where you also do not need a car.

Wanderer78

i dont think you ll need to drive at all over there op. public transport is pretty good there. best of luck with the move

afatbollix

To drive into London city centre is €16 each day and it costs about £8 an hour to park. No one drives in London except people who live in the very centre and very very rich people.


Don't get a drivers licence in the UK they will find out. Everything is linked these days its not pen and paper anymore and in the UK they actually actively go out and find people who do what you want to do.

You seem to be a lad from the back arse of no where who only went past the border to go to a GAA match. Go look up how to move to London but I feel you will be in for a shock. London is the distance of Dublin to Mullingar and has twice the population of Ireland in it. Its a very different culture than the parish back home.

hullaballoo

Moderator: there are serious consequences to deceiving government agencies which ought to be borne in mind by anyone trying to find a "loophole" to avoid a driving ban issued here and recognised in the UK.

Couple that with the fact that the de facto seeking of legal advice, no matter how it is disguised is against the site rules for the reason that it is extremely dangerous, this thread is closed.