Lower Class, Working Class, Middle class and Upper Class

shane9689

Where do you sit on the spectrum of "class" ? Lower, Working, middle, Upper?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I've got friends in low places

Gongoozler

I don't get this class thing in Ireland, or why people on boards seem to be fcuking obsessed with it.

Somewhere off centre.

BMJD

I'm an upper class gentleman trapped in the body, neighbourhood and bank account of a lower class bollix.

Menas

I dont think we have a class system in ireland.
People below or near the poverty line.
People earning a half decent living despite high taxes.
People earning a load of money.
People who inherited or married wealth.

Roger_007

What is 'working class'?.
If you laze around every day living on welfare, are you working class?
If you work your butt off and earn loads of money, are you working class?

frozenfrozen

I'm trans-class-fluid you shitlord

connacht_man

shane9689 wrote: »

Where do you sit on the spectrum of "class" ? Lower, Working, middle, Upper?

lower = darndale

working = inchicore

middle = drumcondra

upper = dalkey


mostly to do with adress

Roger_007

connacht_man wrote: »

lower = darndale

working = inchicore

middle = drumcondra

upper = dalkey


mostly to do with adress

Aha! So class distinction only applies to Dublin.?

connacht_man

no such thing as lower class IMO but in regards to the difference between working and middle
the class thing is as much about sensibilities as anything to do with money but money is often involved in the manifestation of class

a working class person if they came into a large sum of money , they might be more likely to spend it on something flash where as a middle class person might be more likely to invest it in a long term growth opportunity


impossible not to generalise when discussing the issue

connacht_man

Roger_007 wrote: »

Aha! So class distinction only applies to Dublin.?

I was being slightly glib I admit

lower class is not a recognised distinction so doesn't belong in the thread title , darndale would have the lowest income of the four however so low income as opposed to lower class

biko

I'm white collar as opposed to blue collar.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I wish someone would define these overused titles. Our family always worked and we are now comfortable, are we working class or middle class? What is middle class? Why do those out of work get referred to as working class? Is lower class an attitude distinction or a measure of wealth?

TomBtheGoat

Gongoozler wrote: »

I don't get this class thing in Ireland, or why people on boards seem to be fcuking obsessed with it.

I don't believe in a class system and all that pretentious nonsense. But when talking about it, you really have to use the British model. And when you use that model of reference, you see that there never was a class system in Ireland. But there certainly was an 'us' and 'them' system, the 'them' being our former colonial masters. Of course there are those who will always have delusions of grandeur who'd like to think there is, but there really isn't.

Nowhere exemplifies the class system more than Britain and a determination made upon ones class goes back centuries over there. So it takes more than having a nice current address and being flush with cash to qualify you as being upper class. The deluded Irish who think they're upper class, well they really aren't. So they just need to get over themselves and join the rest of us.

FURET

Of course class exists. It's as clear as day to anyone walking down the street.

If you're from a council house and / or you or your family have worked typically in menial or labor-intensive jobs because you don't have the skills for professional work (i.e. always working in chippers, cleaning, as a security guard, factory workers, super market or shop attendants, landscaping laborer, taxi driver, etc) as a total norm, you are working class.

If you are from a family of landowners or professionals or business owners - i.e. people who work mainly with their heads rather than their hands, or families for whom third-level education is a complete norm and value - you are middle class.

Upper class refers exclusively to aristocrats or, latterly, to multi-generational elitist families of long-standing extreme wealth, like the Rockefeller or Mars family.

Any working class Irish person will probably have more in common with a working class Englishman or Frenchman than with a middle class Irishman.

fatknacker

Between middle and upper middle class. But if I were back living in Ireland id be welfare class.

Penny Tration

connacht_man wrote: »

lower = darndale

working = inchicore

middle = drumcondra

upper = dalkey


mostly to do with adress

Nope. I live right next to Darndale, and I'm not 'lower class,' because I don't sit on my hole claiming the dole long term. Nor do my sisters, parents, friends or boyfriend, all living in the same area.

Penny Tration

Photonic Tonic wrote: »

If you have a job which requires a degree you are probably middle class.

My job doesn't require a degree. I've been through college, as have all of my family (bar the youngest, who is starting next month), my friends and my partner and his family. I'd probably be classed as working class, though I'm educated and come from money on my father's side.

Omackeral

Why don't working class people work anymore?!

The Backwards Man

I'm just class.

Eugene Norman

Of course we have a class system. Jesus wept.

Top 1% rich.
Top 10% (excl 1%) middle class. If that.
Next 80% working class. Different graduations thereof.
Bottom 10%. Lumpen proles.

the evasion_kid

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Of course we have a class system. Jesus wept.

Top 1% rich.
Top 10% (excl 1%) middle class. If that.
Next 80% working class. Different graduations thereof.
Bottom 10%. Lumpen proles.

"If there is hope...it lies in the proles"

Vomit

The class thing has such blurry lines that it's next to impossible to make such sharp distinction. Some ideas of class are simply about whether you're an employer or an employee, other ideas involve more than just income or position, taking into account everything that can affect your life chances- upbringing, appearance, accent, intelligence, attitude, outlook...etc.

That being said, it's fairly obvious when you see an absolute scobe.

haveringchick

I'm very lucky because I'm genuinely classless. People are just people to me. Everybody has problems and a 152 BMW doesn't mean happiness at all. Neither does education or superior intellect. Some of the most content folk in this country are living on the dole in sink estates.
Saying there was never a class system in Ireland is crazy. Its riven with it in every rural town and village

Favorite (alleged) story about class in Ireland:
Henry Mountcharles - Slane Castle guy - discovers a member of the hoi polloi taking a summer evening stroll along the wrong side (ie his side!) of the river Boyne. The good Lord Hank confronts this cheeky invader and tells him "get off my land".

Incensed by the Harrow accent I assume, the hero of the story replies:
"Your land? You don't sound as if you come from around here. Who the fcuk gave you a river all to yourself?"
Henry: "My father gave it to me"
Hero: "Oh? Where'd he get it?"
Henry: "His father gave it to him."
Hero: "And where did he get it?"
Henry: From his father."

Yada yada yada....

Hero: "And where did he get it?"
Henry: "He fought for it."
Hero: "Tell you what Henry, how about I fight you for it right now and we can sort out this 'trespassing' on a river business once and for all, eh?"

Unfortunately that's when the private security officers of the rich Gardai Siochana showed up putting a stop to this nonsense, and the natural order of things was restored.

Good on you your Lordship, teach the peasants to keep up their humble cap-touching attitude, or else!