what do you vaccinate for?

whelan2

used to only do for lepto and rotavirus, now doing for ibr and salmonella also

Dawggone

Rotavirus.

I could never understand the over use of vaccines.
Methinks it's an easy solution for poor vets...



Tin hat on.

jaymla627

Dawggone wrote: »

Rotavirus.

I could never understand the over use of vaccines.
Methinks it's an easy solution for poor vets...



Tin hat on.

Some farms get away Scott - free and never have to vaccinate, then their's a case like mine where every disease under the sun is around the yard, have had bvd outbreaks/ibr outbreaks/crypto/Rotavirus over the years....
Costs nearly 40 euro a cow here when everything is added up but is the best money I spend every year the alternatives of winging it here are financial suicide

grassroot1

The vaccines are great when they work, I would rather vaccinate than the and deal with an outbreak of disease. Its a pity there is not a combined cattle vaccine like HEPTAVAC P to cover multiple diseases, but the cost don't half add up.

whelan2

Dawggone wrote: »

Rotavirus.

I could never understand the over use of vaccines.
Methinks it's an easy solution for poor vets...



Tin hat on.

if I don't use rotavec calves die.

Dawggone

whelan2 wrote: »

if I don't use rotavec calves die.

Same here.

whelan2

Dawggone wrote: »

Same here.

Then being told not to feed milk to calves due to johnes. Ya can't win

td5man

Any one using homeopathic remedies?

whelan2

is there a vaccine for neospora?

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

is there a vaccine for neospora?

Nope hence why their isn't any real awareness about it, when vets/pharma companies can't make money from peddling a vaccine for a disease you hear next to noting about it, does make me cringe when you see farmers with their dogs around the yard especially at calving time

mf240

I was one of the lads that would of said vacinating was a waste of time.

But we removed three pi s in 2013.

Started vacinating for ibr last year due to bad outbreak in cows.

And lepto this year. It has all helped imo.

solwhit12

Used to do for ibr but haven't bothered the last couple of years not a huge fan of vet advice to be honest.all money.

patsy_mccabe

You could add Blackleg and the other Clostridial disease vaccine to the list.

whelan2

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You could add Blackleg and the other Clostridial disease vaccine to the list.

dont know if i can edit it maybe mods can

blue5000

Was doing for BVD last few years, had no pi calves so stopped this year. I always do calves for blackleg. That's it. Used to do lepto but don't anymore, just run bulling heifers with cull cows before they go to the bull instead.

Deepsouthwest

A lot of anti vet sentiment here, surely a vet would stand to make from a disease outbreak than they would ever make from a vaccine.

farawaygrass

blue5000 wrote: »

Was doing for BVD last few years, had no pi calves so stopped this year. I always do calves for blackleg. That's it. Used to do lepto but don't anymore, just run bulling heifers with cull cows before they go to the bull instead.

We only started vaccinating for bvd the first year you had to test for it. Thankfully we never had any problem with it so I asked the vet last year could I stop. They said defiantly don't stop for another few years. You would wonder what motivates all these vaccines.

mahoney_j

Cows /maiden heifers
Lepto
Salmonella
Ibr
Bvd
All cows and heifers also bolused in April one month pre breeding

Calves
Bovipast for pneumonia at 3 days old and then 21 days later
Blackleg at turnout and again 4 weeks later

All calves get a mineral bolus in late May
Random dung and blood samples also taken from sections of stock twice yearly as well and milk screened 4 times a year
Won't be fot changing ,costs a few quid but healthy fertile stock and low vets bills make it worthwhile

manjou

I view vaccines like insurance policies cost abit every year but cheaper than vet bill if diease outbreak occurs. Do for bvd ibr lepto and blackleg.

jfh

since we left dairy, don't vaccinate for anything bar Blackleg.
Did a few of the early calves with IBR this year for the first time.
we used to give cows Rotavec but got scour tested this year & was a different strain so advised not to bother..

jaymla627

Anyone else on here dealing with a company down in Bandon cork who's sales rep for the midlands area suddenly left a couple of weeks back, just been billed 845 euro for detergents I had paid for along with 280 euro for peractic acid I never received and further to this got a different invoice this morning from a company I never heard of looking for 500 euro for the same said detergent above....
Been trying both companies phones All morning and no answer something fairly dodgy is going on by the look of things

degetme

mahoney_j wrote: »

Cows /maiden heifers
Lepto
Salmonella
Ibr
Bvd
All cows and heifers also bolused in April one month pre breeding

Calves
Bovipast for pneumonia at 3 days old and then 21 days later
Blackleg at turnout and again 4 weeks later

All calves get a mineral bolus in late May
Random dung and blood samples also taken from sections of stock twice yearly as well and milk screened 4 times a year
Won't be fot changing ,costs a few quid but healthy fertile stock and low vets bills make it worthwhile

what bolous do you give cows and heifers?
do you feed minerals in the meal to cows also after they getting bloused? could they be getting too much if getting both?

bogman_bass

After a bad outbreak of lepto a few years ago I wouldn't stop vaccinating now.

Only do Lepto and Blackleg here

whelan2

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

A lot of anti vet sentiment here, surely a vet would stand to make from a disease outbreak than they would ever make from a vaccine.

spoke with 2 different vets during the week as I have a few issues here, neither were pushing vaccines but stressed that an outbreak of any disease is alot worse than the cost of the vaccines.

Milked out

Vets here would put lepto bvd and salmonella as the main ones, one or two say ibr but more say that tends to flare if there are underlying issues and think if anything happens some are too quick to fire in ibr as the excuse. Edit to add blackleg fro young stock

visatorro

vaccinating is all good, but healthy hygienic well ventilated environment is just as important. not that I have any of that, but sure it sounds good anyway!!

mahoney_j

degetme wrote: »

what bolous do you give cows and heifers?
do you feed minerals in the meal to cows also after they getting bloused? could they be getting too much if getting both?

Mayo healthcare bolus for cows and calves .dry cow mineral from Arrabawn .cows get iodine in water through breeding and calving season also .no bolus to dry cows just powdered minerals .cows also get full bioplex mineral pack added to nut up to early May

mahoney_j

whelan2 wrote: »

spoke with 2 different vets during the week as I have a few issues here, neither were pushing vaccines but stressed that an outbreak of any disease is alot worse than the cost of the vaccines.

100% agree

degetme

mahoney_j wrote: »

Mayo healthcare bolus for cows and calves .dry cow mineral from Arrabawn .cows get iodine in water through breeding and calving season also .no bolus to dry cows just powdered minerals .cows also get full bioplex mineral pack added to nut up to early May

Your milking cows are getting minerals in the water, nut and the bolous so. Your not having any problems feeding too much minerals. Better too much than too little so

td5man

mahoney_j wrote: »

Mayo healthcare bolus for cows and calves .dry cow mineral from Arrabawn .cows get iodine in water through breeding and calving season also .no bolus to dry cows just powdered minerals .cows also get full bioplex mineral pack added to nut up to early May

What do you think of the mayo health care stuff?
They have stuff you put in the drinkers for a variety of different ailments.

mahoney_j

td5man wrote: »

What do you think of the mayo health care stuff?
They have stuff you put in the drinkers for a variety of different ailments.

Excellent bolus ,not a fan of tablets in water

Base price

We vaccinate all young stock with Rispoval RS + Pi3 (BRSV & Parainfluenza type 3). They get a booster at 6months and again a year later.
They also get mineral bolus as calves and yearling.

50HX

blackleg the calves at dehorning and again later in the year.

not a great believer in vaccinating unless you get a back outbreak of something & the argument then is that it's too late

my issue with vaccinating is once you start there is no stopping

every farm is different though

operate a closed herd here and not really next to another farm

mahoney_j

50HX wrote: »

blackleg the calves at dehorning and again later in the year.

not a great believer in vaccinating unless you get a back outbreak of something & the argument then is that it's too late

my issue with vaccinating is once you start there is no stopping

every farm is different though

operate a closed herd here and not really next to another farm

Reason I vaccinate is prevention is better than cure .was hit with bvd ,Ibr and salmonella back through the years never want to return to any of them .i see it as an insurance policy .herd health has improved immensiely since vaccination plan was put in place .ive a closed herd too bar stock bull ,but I've no control over wildlife or neighbours stock .an outbreak of something like salmonella on a dairy farm will make the 6 euro per head vaccine cost very cheap .

doyleshill

As as far as I know Vaccines have only a 10 Shelf Life after opening.

whelan2

doyleshill wrote: »

As as far as I know Vaccines have only a 10 Shelf Life after opening.

did for ibr the other day 8 hour shelf life after making it up

blue5000

doyleshill wrote: »

As as far as I know Vaccines have only a 10 Shelf Life after opening.

I presume 10 days? We put a dab of vaseline on them and they go back in the fridge, once it's airtight I reckon it's ok.

whelan2

did stock the other day for ibr, a few of them have gone way back in their milk is this normal?

The man in red and black

My father wouldn't be into spending much on vaccines but even he was adamant that blackleg was essential. He lost a couple of animals to it in the 80's and said never again. The vaccine is as cheap as chips, the price of losing one animal to blackleg would pay for the vaccine for the herd for 20 years! Always wary of people who say it isn't in their area, with blackleg it is likely only a matter of time before they lose one unfortunately!

td5man

The man in red and black wrote: »

My father wouldn't be into spending much on vaccines but even he was adamant that blackleg was essential. He lost a couple of animals to it in the 80's and said never again. The vaccine is as cheap as chips, the price of losing one animal to blackleg would pay for the vaccine for the herd for 20 years! Always wary of people who say it isn't in their area, with blackleg it is likely only a matter of time before they lose one unfortunately!

Only seen blackleg once calves were vaccinated but one got a strain of it that the vaccine didn't cover.

The man in red and black

td5man wrote: »

Only seen blackleg once calves were vaccinated but one got a strain of it that the vaccine didn't cover.

That's odd but could be possible. I know the vaccines company response would be to investigate if they were properly vaccinated, at the right age and proper timing off booster etc.

restive

Red Water is the main one around here. Growing up I remember catching two or three in the one day. Always use bayticol now and have not had a case in years.
Also inject for blackleg.

tanko

restive wrote: »

Red Water is the main one around here. Growing up I remember catching two or three in the one day. Always use bayticol now and have not had a case in years.
Also inject for blackleg.

Is it only bought in cattle that get red water on your farm?
How often do you put on the bayticol?

restive

No cattle we had homebred would get it as well. Now I only do cattle once usually May before the head grazing for the year.

tanko

restive wrote: »

No cattle we had homebred would get it as well. Now I only do cattle once usually May before the head grazing for the year.

It's rare for homebred cattle which were exposed to ticks as calves to get redwater when they're older. We have an outfarm with rough ground, animals born there never get it but cattle born at the home place and put on the outfarm hve a good chance of getting it.
I think Bayticol is only effective for six weeks.

restive

A lot of my land is callagh land ie spends 6 months under water. One dose n may has worked so far for me.