VRT question

To2015

Hi i bought a about 2 yrs now from uk but didn't get it vrt'd since. I called then in 2013 when i got it to vrt it but then cancelled the appointment because I couldn't afford it. Now i wanna get it done but im afraid of the fines i might get. Any suggestions or ideas please ?

carchaeologist

To2015 wrote: »

Hi i bought a car about 2 yrs now from uk but didn't get it vrt'd since. I called then in 2013 when i got it to vrt it but then cancelled the appointment because I couldn't afford it. Now i wanna get it done but im afraid of the fines i might get. Any suggestions or ideas please ?

How old is the car?

4JAKE

It's very simple..
The VRT office will look for a date when this car came into Ireland...
This needs to be a receipt/ invoice from seller, failing that shipping record etc etc MAY be accepted...

Depending on the info you gave them before... They could have your car on record... If not the easiest way imp would be to get a receipt/ invoice stating you bought the car a week ago.. Cough cough.
If they know the car is here 2 years you are liable to pay a penalty... And so will anyone that tries to VRT it...

Is a 2005 micra really worth pAying VRT on?

4JAKE

Problem is if you are in to pay the VRT and they discover penalties are owed, you end up in a bad situation as they will hold your V5, meaning you can't sell the car off for road use or back to UK, they hold you ransom as they have V5 and you have no real choice but to pay their VRT and penalties...

Be careful what you do as it could end up in a big mess

biko

What you are asking is how to avoid paying the fines because you didn't VRT it at the correct time.
This forum cannot help you how to avoid the long arm of the authorities.

4JAKE

biko wrote: »

What you are asking is how to avoid paying the fines because you didn't VRT it at the correct time.
This forum cannot help you how to avoid the long arm of the authorities.

Seriously??? You are taking the moral high ground on someone trying to avoid paying a penalty on a Tax that is deemed illegal by the EU?? you need to get out and get some sunshine into your life.

Kimbot

4JAKE wrote: »

Seriously??? You are taking the moral high ground on someone trying to avoid paying a penalty on a Tax that is deemed illegal by the EU?? you need to get out and get some sunshine into your life.

2 years this person has had a car on foreign plates without paying the correct taxes that we all have paid with our cars! If it was illegal then not one of us would have to pay a Tax to register our cars!
There is also the issue of tolls if the owner decided he wasnt going to pay them and just kept using the roads (That we all pay for) raking up fines etc with no notion to pay them.

At the end of the day the tax should have been paid 2 years ago so if penalties apply the owner has themselves to blame.

4JAKE

I really couldn't be bothered to argue about VRT, how it's illegal, etc etc...

I'm sure you all have done your own research and drawn your own conclusions... Which I am not going to waist my time and have no interest in changing.

If VRT IS NOT AN IMPORT TAX, as its argued then why does it have to be paid within X amount of hours after importation or it can be seized?
That's an import tax, which ever way you want to dance around it..

There is also no way to get a 100% accurate price of how much a particular car will cost you on the day of VRT inspection... So you are showing up knowing that your car could cost 1k... Or it could cost more... So I'm not surprised that people are getting caught with cars they can't afford, it's a system of tax set up where you cant get a definite figure u till you hAnd in your paperwork and register yourself and the car, they then throw a price at you that can be anything above what you got quoted online, and then hold your paperwork so you are held to ransom, and have to try come up with the extra money... Really is set up like a totally legal tax.

macplaxton

To2015 wrote: »

And the vrt checking says its about €540 so its not so bad

Back of the fag packet calculation of back-tax:

0.1% of €540 = €0.54 a day. 2 years 730 days. Around €395?

bazz26

Not the old VRT is an illegal tax chestnut again.

michellie

4JAKE wrote: »

Problem is if you are in to pay the VRT and they discover penalties are owed, you end up in a bad situation as they will hold your V5, meaning you can't sell the car off for road use or back to UK, they hold you ransom as they have V5 and you have no real choice but to pay their VRT and penalties...

Be careful what you do as it could end up in a big mess

This is not true. The log book will not be held.

4JAKE

michellie wrote: »

This is not true. The log book will not be held.

Yes it will be held.

goochy

why would anyone import a 2005 micra ? also how have u insured it if its uk reg?
if someone bought an original irl car here and brought to uk they would have to pay duty so op should pay also. a jap import dealer did bring case to eu but lost. many other countries have high import duties o cars

4JAKE

And considering the price that you can buy a 2005 micra here in Ireland for, VRT Of over €500 is extortionate. The cars can be bought for 2k here on Irish reg and Nct'd.

4JAKE

goochy wrote: »

why would anyone import a 2005 micra ? also how have u insured it if its uk reg?
if someone bought an original irl car here and brought to uk they would have to pay duty so op should pay also. a jap import dealer did bring case to eu but lost. many other countries have high import duties o cars

What you pay in the UK is nothing compared to here.

michellie

4JAKE wrote: »

Yes it will be held.

No it wont. Unless he pays, the V5 is not kept by NCT. And this is fact.

4JAKE

michellie wrote: »

No it wont. Unless he pays, the V5 is not kept by NCT. And this is fact.

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about. I have had this done on me, and I know plenty of others that have had the same done,

Only a Trader with the relative paperwork can get a VRT quote without handing over paperwork. They will even call to the garage to see the car.

When a private customer goes to VRT A CAR, First thing you will have to do is produce everything, you then either get an official quote or have to wait a few days, either way the paperwork is kept... If you can't pay for the VRT, Tou do not get the paperwork back... As that car is not supposed to be in the country without being cleared..

michellie

4JAKE wrote: »

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about. I have had this done on me, and I know plenty of others that have had the same done,

Only a Trader with the relative paperwork can get a VRT quote without handing over paperwork. They will even call to the garage to see the car.

When a private customer goes to VRT A CAR, First thing you will have to do is produce everything, you then either get an official quote or have to wait a few days, either way the paperwork is kept... If you can't pay for the VRT, Tou do not get the paperwork back... As that car is not supposed to be in the country without being cleared..

I do actually know what im talking about, i work in vrt the past 5 years. I register at least 50 cars a week. So tell me more about how much you know.

4JAKE

michellie wrote: »

I do actually know what im talking about, i work in vrt the past 5 years. I register at least 50 cars a week. So tell me more about how much you know.

I don't care where you work or have worked, I'm telling you my direct experience with VRT offices in 3 different counties, and all are the same.. And as I said I am aware of countless others who have the same experience across other counties... Maybe you can let me know where your branch is and I will gladly drive whatever distance it is to get to a place that won't hold be ransom.

I also have been in direct contact with revenue about the same matter, and the
VRO, the response I got was the same from them all, that yes the VRT office can hold the paperwork, and that its at their discretion, nothing the VRO or revenue are involved in..

I was also warned and I mean warned by a VRT worker at one premises when I was in getting forms to make sure i was aware that the amount of VRT on the day could be higher and that the online calculator was no guarantee, and that once i handed the paper work in to get the final price that's it gone... So be sure I am able to pay.

http://www.vrt.ie/vrtDetail.php?page=25

Read No.2 in the above link.. You will see it says that original Proof of previous registration, de reg cert etc etc will be retained by NCTS... And to make a copy before you go to the Test Centre.
It doesn't say make a copy before you pay the VRT.

michellie

Yea you are probably right, sure what would I know?

Private individuals produce their documents, All is returned with the quote at the end (that is unless its a manual valuation and the quote follows after) but paperwork is always returned.

V5's are only kept when payment is made.

TAN holders cannot get "quotes" without paperwork.

TAN holders can have the mobile VRT unit come to inspect their vehicles if they have a large amount of vehicles.

Anyway OP, you can go and get a quote. As you were told, there will be penalties. You dont have to pay on the day of inspection, you can return with your paperwork and you certainly wont be held to "ransom"

michellie

4JAKE wrote: »

Read No.2 in the above link.. You will see it says that original Proof of previous registration, de reg cert etc etc will be retained by NCTS... And to make a copy before you go to the Test Centre.
It doesn't say make a copy before you pay the VRT.

Yep thats right its kept AFTER registration, thats why it says to copy it. Most people pay on the day of their appointment so its a warning to people who may want a copy of it.

4JAKE

michellie wrote: »

Yep thats right its kept AFTER registration, thats why it says to copy it. Most people pay on the day of their appointment so its a warning to people who may want a copy of it.

So you will give me a quote and if I don't want to pay it you will give me my original v5, jap de reg cert etc etc back?? No problem?

michellie

4JAKE wrote: »

So you will give me a quote and if I don't want to pay it you will give me my original v5, jap de reg cert etc etc back?? No problem?

Yea thats how it works. Many people dont return to pay- some sell on the vehicles or return them to the country of origin if they are not happy with the price.

4JAKE

Well I'm baffled by this, and how it can be this way where you work, considering what I and others are experiencing, we have to deal with arrogant staff who will not listen to reason or in anyway use a bit of simple cop on, just today I had a dose of it and the guy before me the same.. And all down to a person who's little bit of authority had went to their head... Meaning the two of us couldn't clear vehicles over stupid things... And the waist of 2hours today.

colm_mcm

Don't the NCT do these inspections?

Take2Sean

I was recently vrting a car and witnessed exactly what the guy is saying about the documentation being withheld on a couple who couldn't afford the payment there and then as it was different to what they had been quoted online. The documentation was held and they were told they had no choice to cancel and that documents would be held until they could come back with the money. They weren't allowed to reschedule. Now unless I took it up totally wrong they were also told there is interest penalty on the payment each day you don't pay. Unsurprisingly there was big arguments and upset people...

This happened about 2 months ago.