Amnesty International - Condoning pimping prostitutes

Black Menorca

Is there no end to these so called Human Rights activists zealotry for human degredation?

First they stamp all over the human rights of babies in the womb and in their latest diktat they want to decriminalise prostitution, therefore aiding the sleazy, profiteering pimps carry out their trade in female slavery.

Someone needs to pull O'Gorman aside and have a word in his ear. In the next breath O'Gorman will tell us he's a Feminist.

I mean, seriously!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0811/720614-amnesty-sex-trade-policy/

Bellerstring

Who's O'Gorman.......?

gctest50

it works apparently

Evidence from New Zealand and New South Wales, where sex work is already decriminalised, reveals that enacting protective measures for sex workers and their customers led to increased use of sexual health services, including HIV testing and treatment. Decriminalisation also encouraged greater condom use and yielded fewer reports of harassment by police.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/11/we-stand-with-amnesty-on-sex-work

....need to go n find sources for that ..............

Black Menorca

Bellerstring wrote: »

Who's O'Gorman.......?

Colm O'Gorman, the face of the Gay Marriage referendum. The head honcho of Amnesty in Ireland.

gctest50

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Peregrinus

Black Menorca wrote: »

Is there no end to these so called Human Rights activists zealotry for human degredation?

First they stamp all over the human rights of babies in the womb and in their latest diktat they want to decriminalise prostitution, therefore aiding the sleazy, profiteering pimps carry out their trade in female slavery . . .

Someone needs to pull O'Gorman aside and have a word in his ear. In the next breath O'Gorman will tell us he's a Feminist.

I mean, seriously!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0811/720614-amnesty-sex-trade-policy/

Pehaps O'Gorman agrees with Aquinas and Augustine, and the broader Catholic ethical tradition, about the legalisation of prostitution? O'Gorman doesn't identify as a Catholic - and we know why - but from his public stances his moral instincts do seem to be profoundly influenced by the Catholicism in which he was brought up.

Overheal

Like other subjects I won't drag into here, this is a case of something that people will do whether you condone it or not. Like heroin. And sex. So why not just distribute clean, sterile needles, and condoms? Why further the spread of HIV? "Pimping" as it is known, is just a thing. Some working girls may appreciate an agent working for them; an agent may be the one offering them the work. There was a recent documentary on HBO (or Netflix?) about the porn industry, an agent that recruited on classified sites like Craigslist, would pay to get these girls down to Florida or wherever, and he would line up work with filmmakers he was already familiar with. The work wasn't glamorous, though it evidently paid well. Most women do porn in that fashion for less than a year before they are out - usually because the people that pay the highest money want to film the roughest garbage (which must be for sociopaths? Who gets off on slapping a girl in the face? I digress). The only thing that would change about that scenario if it were illegal to film pornography (good luck with that) would be that girls would have little or no recourse if they were exploited, underpaid, or not paid at all. Similarly a hooker can get slapped around or physically abused and who is she going to go to? The police? She'll get jailed/booked just as easily.

pauldla

The last time I saw Amnesty International referred to as a 'so-called' human rights organization was in an OpEd piece in China Daily.

Just sayin'.

BoatMad

Black Menorca wrote: »

Is there no end to these so called Human Rights activists zealotry for human degredation?

First they stamp all over the human rights of babies in the womb and in their latest diktat they want to decriminalise prostitution, therefore aiding the sleazy, profiteering pimps carry out their trade in female slavery.

Someone needs to pull O'Gorman aside and have a word in his ear. In the next breath O'Gorman will tell us he's a Feminist.

I mean, seriously!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0811/720614-amnesty-sex-trade-policy/

They were suggesting that prostitution should be controlled and regulated rather then driving it increasingly underground by laws that in effect do little.

I found it a cogent and thought provoking suggestion. There is evidence that this approach works too in a few countries that have tried it

pimps in many industries are actually called " agents ". perhaps we should criminalise soccer agents !!! ( just joshing you here ok)

Trafficking is an entirely different matter as this is presumably forcing women against their will into the sex industry. But reports in general seem to suggest that many prostitutes are in the activity, voluntarily

Delirium

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@Black Menorca, could you explain why this thread was opened here ( when at first glance), it might be better suited to (for example) the Humanities or Politics fora.

The Randy Riverbeast

"The policy will also call on states to ensure sex workers enjoy full and equal legal protection from exploitation, trafficking and violence."

Wow, that sounds awful. women who are being abused being able to have protection, what kind of world is this becoming. Next they'll have the right to vote or be allowed to work after they are married.

lazybones32

Amnesty stop being a human Right's movement some time ago but I agree with legalizing prostitution.
Not every prostitute is forced into it - many choose this route of their own will.
There are Irish groups (mostly the feminists and their subjugated mangina toy-dogs) who want to criminalise the buyer of sexual services i.e. men while leaving the seller immune from criminal prosecution - discrimination is acceptable when it advances female empowerment, etc.

Men, mostly, want more sex than they get at home because men, mostly, have a greater sexual appetite than women.

hinault

Prostitution is defined as the sale of sexual services.

How anyone could advocate in favour of the sale of sexual services is beyond me.

Peregrinus

They're not advocating in favour of the sale of sexual services. They are advocating not criminalising the sale of sexual services.

It's a signficant distinction. I don't favour adultery, but I would oppose any attempt to make adultery a crime.

hinault

Peregrinus wrote: »

They're not advocating in favour of the sale of sexual services. They are advocating not criminalising the sale of sexual services.

You mean they're advocating for to decriminalise the sale of sexual services.

The sale of sexual services is a criminal act.

munchkin_utd

hinault wrote: »

The sale of sexual services is a criminal act.

no it isnt !

its perfectly legal on a one to one basis, but, the organised offering of it is illegal

Very subtle difference

or in real terms, owning or running or being involved in working in a brothel is illegal.
But, advertising your services online and going through with a transaction between 2 consenting adults is ok

hinault

munchkin_utd wrote: »

no it isnt !

its perfectly legal on a one to one basis, but, the organised offering of it is illegal

Very subtle difference

or in real terms, owning or running or being involved in working in a brothel is illegal.
But, advertising your services online and going through with a transaction between 2 consenting adults is ok

Better tell all of that to Amnesty International so.:rolleyes:

PopePalpatine

lazybones32 wrote: »

There are Irish groups (mostly the feminists and their subjugated mangina toy-dogs) who want to criminalise the buyer of sexual services i.e. men while leaving the seller immune from criminal prosecution - discrimination is acceptable when it advances female empowerment, etc.

Men, mostly, want more sex than they get at home because men, mostly, have a greater sexual appetite than women.

Someone has been popping red pills.

Black Menorca

pauldla wrote: »

The last time I saw Amnesty International referred to as a 'so-called' human rights organization was in an OpEd piece in China Daily.

Just sayin'.

I'm in esteemed company then.

How can they continue to pedal the lie of caring about human rights when they advocate for abortion and now decriminalising the exploitation of vulnerable women?

Black Menorca

Delirium wrote: »

MOD NOTE

@Black Menorca, could you explain why this thread was opened here ( when at first glance), it might be better suited to (for example) the Humanities or Politics fora.

I feel at home in the Christianity Section and have no regrets posting it here for discussion with fellow Christians and others, once they keep it civil.

The Randy Riverbeast

Black Menorca wrote: »

I'm in esteemed company then.

How can they continue to pedal the lie of caring about human rights when they advocate for abortion and now decriminalising the exploitation of vulnerable women?

Umm, they are trying to help prevent women being exploited. I even quoted that part. If a woman is doing nothing wrong then she can go to the police, if she is breaking the law then she has to decide if it is worth her getting in trouble.

It may come as a surprise but there are a few women out there who can take care of themselves.

Black Menorca

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Umm, they are trying to help prevent women being exploited. I even quoted that part. If a woman is doing nothing wrong then she can go to the police, if she is breaking the law then she has to decide if it is worth her getting in trouble.

It may come as a surprise but there are a few women out there who can take care of themselves.

Umm, I stand by my original contention.

Amnesty, by advocating decriminalisation, are aiding in the continued exploitation by criminal, immoral pimps.

Overheal

Black Menorca wrote: »

Umm, I stand by my original contention.

Amnesty, by advocating decriminalisation, are aiding in the continued exploitation by criminal, immoral pimps.

That doesn't align with the history of decriminalizing things. It actually furthers the criminally immoral things you most object to. also instead of spending money criminally prosecuting, the state gets revenue from legalizing things. Colorado earns so much from marihuana that it will issue about $30m in tax refunds this year. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6612292

lazybones32

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Someone has been popping red pills.

? I don't understand that reference.

Black Menorca

lazybones32 wrote: »

? I don't understand that reference.

It's an insult. Something that poster continues to do without any effective sanction it would appear.

Overheal

Black Menorca wrote: »

Something that poster continues to do without any effective sanction it would appear.

Irony is still lost on you, is it?

Black Menorca

Overheal wrote: »

Irony is still lost on you, is it?

The poster has a long record of snide, insulting remarks that, ironically, have got likes from some Mods.

I get irony just fine.

The Randy Riverbeast

Black Menorca wrote: »

Umm, I stand by my original contention.

Amnesty, by advocating decriminalisation, are aiding in the continued exploitation by criminal, immoral pimps.

Im sure they would be glad to receive the information you have that they must be missing. Maybe an opinion piece from womenagainstabortion.com or kilkennyjournal.ie/?

Christy42

Currently women are criminalised for this. They are frequently vulnerable and are unable to go for help if they are being mistreates. If the law changes they will be able to go for help.

They want to let women in a vulnerable position get help. I believe their stance on abortian has the same motivation.

gctest50

Black Menorca wrote: »

Umm, I stand by my original contention.

Amnesty, by advocating decriminalisation, are aiding in the continued exploitation by criminal, immoral pimps.

any proof at all of this ?

source ?

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Overheal

Its his opinion.

Delirium

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If posters wish to continue discussing this topic, please try the Humanities forum or one of the Politics fora.