Crush pen with crash barriers.

Greengrass1

Anyone done anything like this?

http://www.donedeal.ie/fencingequipment-for-sale/crash-bar-barriers/8041118
Need to do up whole crush at home plan to buy new galvanised crush and head gate but penning can done with barriers.

CHOPS01

Certainly do look like a fine job. Need to do a job as well and was considering the same.
Would sleepers be ok or would it be best going with RSJs for the columns

Farrell

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Certainly do look like a fine job. Need to do a job as well and was considering the same.
Would sleepers be ok or would it be best going with RSJs for the columns

Old ESB poles would work too

Nekarsulm

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90877361

Farmer Pudsey

Tams 2 has a 40% grant for crushes. With VAT back as well would be hard to beat for value. I would only use crash barriers where I had wild cattle and sucklers ( to keep calves in). It is also more flexible if you want to have a few pens at time of herd test etc so as not to have to be separating cattle after.

Brown Podzol

No experience of crash barriers but I could see them grabbing tags off cattle especially where they are secured to the uprights.

Greengrass1

Brown Podzol wrote: »

No experience of crash barriers but I could see them grabbing tags off cattle especially where they are secured to the uprights.

Never though of that. Seen a cow loosing her tag it upright for feeding barrier during spring

orm0nd

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Anyone done anything like this?

http://www.donedeal.ie/fencingequipment-for-sale/crash-bar-barriers/8041118
Need to do up whole crush at home plan to buy new galvanised crush and head gate but penning can done with barriers.

a guy I know done a lot of penning / crush etc, with the barriers

AFAIK he used the barriers for the uprights as well , didn't see it personally as it's on an outside side farm but judging from the work around his farm yard i reckon it's a tasty job.

Greengrass1

orm0nd wrote: »

a guy I know done a lot of penning / crush etc, with the barriers

AFAIK he used the barriers for the uprights as well , didn't see it personally as it's on an outside side farm but judging from the work around his farm yard i reckon it's a tasty job.

Anyone see the crush pens in ifj this week made from old slats
Tastey looking work

Farmer Pudsey

I do not know why lads often look for the hard way of doing things. I just looked up TAMS costings.

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingandstructuresspecificationswordformat/

You are allowed 411 euro for a head gate. For a single sided race you are allowed 81.5/M and 163/M for a doubler sided one. If new concrete is needed for base of race another 33 euro/M. Gates are allowed at 67/M and barriers for enclousure at nearly 74/M and a concrete floor for enclosure is 25 euro/M square.

Just doing the sums a 10MX10KM crush and a 10M run with a head gate, backing gate and a two 4M gate into crush , with concrete floor. You are alllowed nearly 8K in costs +VAT and you will get a grant of nearly 3.2K. You have to remember that own labour is included in grant costs. Only issue would be making sure about dirty water.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I do not know why lads often look for the hard way of doing things. I just looked up TAMS costings.

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingandstructuresspecificationswordformat/

You are allowed 411 euro for a head gate. For a single sided race you are allowed 81.5/M and 163/M for a doubler sided one. If new concrete is needed for base of race another 33 euro/M. Gates are allowed at 67/M and barriers for enclousure at nearly 74/M and a concrete floor for enclosure is 25 euro/M square.

Just doing the sums a 10MX10KM crush and a 10M run with a head gate, backing gate and a two 4M gate into crush , with concrete floor. You are alllowed nearly 8K in costs +VAT and you will get a grant of nearly 3.2K. You have to remember that own labour is included in grant costs. Only issue would be making sure about dirty water.

Didn't know about grant covering crush until today. I'll look into it.
We've a 45ft crush race to do here with new head gate. One side is using wall of pit.
A 65ft length of penning then and 20ft at the back.
18ft gate then at top of race to shut group in and then another 18ft gate at bottom of crush 45ft from top gate. Will need to break out concrete stand out of old crush too as it's old and crumbling and wouldn't get new race in with it in
Have race to do in out farm too but won't be spending big money out there as it's leased unless land owner wants to contribute

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Didn't know about grant covering crush until today. I'll look into it.
We've a 45ft crush race to do here with new head gate. One side is using wall of pit.
A 65ft length of penning then and 20ft at the back.
18ft gate then at top of race to shut group in and then another 18ft gate at bottom of crush 45ft from top gate. Will need to break out concrete stand out of old crush too as it's old and crumbling and wouldn't get new race in with it in

Mobile crush unit 1568/unit and mobile penning 43.5/meter to a max of 75 metre's. I got one of the crushes under the farm scheme fairly basic 1100 inc vat. Not sure if I can claim the VAT saw somthing 2-3 years ago where mobile penning and hedging were added to vat claimable items for farmers.

I use this in the 7-8 acres I have near the house where I have a small pen put up using old ESB poles driven by a pole dive and 2" galvo bar put on with there half round straps you can buy for them. I put this up about 8 years ago no grant scheme in place at time. The mobile crush has made a job of it, very safe to hand an animal now that needs injecting etc

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Mobile crush unit 1568/unit and mobile penning 43.5/meter to a max of 75 metre's. I got one of the crushes under the farm scheme fairly basic 1100 inc vat. Not sure if I can claim the VAT saw somthing 2-3 years ago where mobile penning and hedging were added to vat claimable items for farmers.

I use this in the 7-8 acres I have near the house where I have a small pen put up using old ESB poles driven by a pole dive and 2" galvo bar put on with there half round straps you can buy for them. I put this up about 8 years ago no grant scheme in place at time. The mobile crush has made a job of it, very safe to hand an animal now that needs injecting etc

Have crush on out farm but just need a pen as I have to back stock out of it which is a pain. Want to do a permanent job at home

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Have crush on out farm but just need a pen as I have to back stock out of it which is a pain. Want to do a permanent job at home

Do the permanent job at home. But I would consider the mobile penning for the out farm. As a dairy farmer you will nearly always be renting some land. By having the portable penning and a crush you can move it to another farm you rent down the line. 40m of mobile penning at the grant rate is 1750 euro after the grant is about 1050 euro you will not get much in the way of a cheap job done for that.

AntrimGlens

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Anyone done anything like this?

http://www.donedeal.ie/fencingequipment-for-sale/crash-bar-barriers/8041118
Need to do up whole crush at home plan to buy new galvanised crush and head gate but penning can done with barriers.

GG - I did a penning yard for sheep out of barriers, bought them at a reasonable price and dug holes for strainers and concreted them in and drilled through the strainers and fixed with 200mm countersunk bolts. Quick and easy enough to erect as long as it's straight lines or 90 deg turns.

Greengrass1

AntrimGlens wrote: »

GG - I did a penning yard for sheep out of barriers, bought them at a reasonable price and dug holes for strainers and concreted them in and drilled through the strainers and fixed with 200mm countersunk bolts. Quick and easy enough to erect as long as it's straight lines or 90 deg turns.

Tastey job Antrim. Thanks for the photos

Greengrass1

http://www.donedeal.ie/view/10126017
Looks good enough quality. I won't have any big suckler cows going through it

annubis

Greengrass1 wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/view/10126017
Looks good enough quality. I won't have any big suckler cows going through it

have a very similar one indoors in a shed, those opening sections are very handy

Timmaay

That Done deal crush is the one I got here! If your up this way drop in for a look.
Neighbour has a crash barrier one also, looks like a proper job but way overkill for dairying.

Timmaay

Timmaay wrote: »

That Done deal crush is the one I got here! If your up this way drop in for a look.
Neighbour has a crash barrier one also, looks like a proper job but way overkill for dairying.

I think them prices are ex vat, which of course ya can claim back.

lakill Farm

Timmaay wrote: »

I think them prices are ex vat, which of course ya can claim back.

I think that lad isn't registered for vat. I called him before

There is a lad colm that does them also on donedeal. Saw his stuff at the ploughing one of the years.

Another lad in Mullingar on donedeal selling crush, didn't see him lately

Deepsouthwest

Could these crash barriers be used for uprights in a shed? I know they'd last, but how would they be strength wise?

Reggie.

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Could these crash barriers be used for uprights in a shed? I know they'd last, but how would they be strength wise?

No imo they wouldn't have the strength for uprights

Boaty

There's easier things to use as up rights as well.

Edit: Just after looking on DD, lads selling "box crash barriers" they say its suitable for shed uprights
Box barriers for uprights and the crash barriers for cross members, might make a solid shed?
http://www.donedeal.ie/otherfarmmachinery-for-sale/crash-barriers/9908168

Timmaay

lakill Farm wrote: »

I think that lad isn't registered for vat. I called him before

I got a vat receipt off him anyways!

lakill Farm

Timmaay wrote: »

I got a vat receipt off him anyways!

Ok, could be a different lad.