Ball moved by wind

Poker Face

was playing matchplay this evening and just after addressing a putt a gust of wind caused the ball to move and it hit my putter. I conceded the hole. Did I do the right thing?

Senna

This was one of the changes to the rules lately, open to correct but its just a one stroke penalty (used to be two or loss of hole), no need to concede hole.

HighLine

18-2b/12 Ball Moves After Address and Is Stopped by Player's Club

Q.After a player addresses his ball, the ball moves backward. Before the player can remove his club, the ball is stopped by the clubhead. What is the ruling?

A.The player incurs a penalty stroke under Rule 18-2b and the ball must be replaced. A further penalty under Rule 19-2 (Ball in Motion Deflected or Stopped by Player) does not apply in these circumstances, as the act of his clubhead stopping the ball was related to the initial act of his ball moving after address - see Principle 4 of Decision 1-4/12.

If it is known or virtually certain that the player did not cause the ball to move, Rule 18-2b does not apply (see Exception to Rule 18-2b). In such circumstances, the player would incur a one-stroke penalty under Rule 19-2 for accidentally deflecting or stopping his ball in motion with his equipment, and must play the ball as it lies.

Golf365

This rule was recently changed, so now no penalty & play from new position.

Rule 18-2b. Ball Moving After Address A new Exception is added that exonerates the player from penalty if his ball moves after it has been addressed when it is known or virtually certain that he did not cause the ball to move. For example, if it is a gust of wind that moves the ball after it has been addressed, there is no penalty and the ball is played from its new position.

Derek Zoolander

Golf365 wrote: »

This rule was recently changed, so now no penalty & play from new position.

Rule 18-2b. Ball Moving After Address A new Exception is added that exonerates the player from penalty if his ball moves after it has been addressed when it is known or virtually certain that he did not cause the ball to move. For example, if it is a gust of wind that moves the ball after it has been addressed, there is no penalty and the ball is played from its new position.

that would be correct if the ball didn't hit his putter. As outlined above - one stroke penalty and replace

Poker Face

Senna wrote: »

This was one of the changes to the rules lately, open to correct but its just a one stroke penalty (used to be two or loss of hole), no need to concede hole.

HighLine wrote: »

18-2b/12 Ball Moves After Address and Is Stopped by Player's Club

Q.After a player addresses his ball, the ball moves backward. Before the player can remove his club, the ball is stopped by the clubhead. What is the ruling?

A.The player incurs a penalty stroke under Rule 18-2b and the ball must be replaced. A further penalty under Rule 19-2 (Ball in Motion Deflected or Stopped by Player) does not apply in these circumstances, as the act of his clubhead stopping the ball was related to the initial act of his ball moving after address - see Principle 4 of Decision 1-4/12.

If it is known or virtually certain that the player did not cause the ball to move, Rule 18-2b does not apply (see Exception to Rule 18-2b). In such circumstances, the player would incur a one-stroke penalty under Rule 19-2 for accidentally deflecting or stopping his ball in motion with his equipment, and must play the ball as it lies.

Thanks, I knew if the ball was moved by the wind you would play from the new position (has happened me before), it was the hitting the putter I thought had to have some consequence.

Seve OB

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

that would be correct if the ball didn't hit his putter. As outlined above - one stroke penalty and replace

no I don't think so. no penalty as it was the wind which moved the ball.
but yes to penalty for the clubface stopping the ball.
however, I think the ball should be played as it lay and not replaced

HighLine

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

that would be correct if the ball didn't hit his putter. As outlined above - one stroke penalty and replace

It's 19-2 that applies so it's a 1 stroke penalty and play as it lies ... so you don't replace.

Seve OB

I think the real lesson here though is that you should never give the hole away as the OP did. Now it is not clear if the penalty would have been enough for him to loose the hole anyway, but if you are still in it, finish out the hole and get a ruling later on if necessary.

Ben1977

Seve OB wrote: »

I think the real lesson here though is that you should never give the hole away as the OP did. Now it is not clear if the penalty would have been enough for him to loose the hole anyway, but if you are still in it, finish out the hole and get a ruling later on if necessary.

Great idea

Poker Face

Seve OB wrote: »

I think the real lesson here though is that you should never give the hole away as the OP did. Now it is not clear if the penalty would have been enough for him to loose the hole anyway, but if you are still in it, finish out the hole and get a ruling later on if necessary.

Was putting for a half so I was fairly sure the hole was lost once it had hit my putter, I just wasnt sure if it was a penalty shot or loss of hole. If it was for a win we probably would have done what you said and checked it out when we finished

BoardsMember

Poker Face wrote: »

Was putting for a half so I was fairly sure the hole was lost once it had hit my putter, I just wasnt sure if it was a penalty shot or loss of hole. If it was for a win we probably would have done what you said and checked it out when we finished

How do you know when your finished, you don't know what the score is? Finding out later is only possible to inform today's outcome when not match play surely?

newport2

BoardsMember wrote: »

How do you know when your finished, you don't know what the score is? Finding out later is only possible to inform today's outcome when not match play surely?

Play match out until both scenarios have a result and then get a ruling?

Interesting situation as it would probably affect your tactics in later holes

BoardsMember

newport2 wrote: »

Play match out until both scenarios have a result and then get a ruling?

Interesting situation as it would probably affect your tactics in later holes

Yeah very hard to play out two scenarios alright, but the only option really

Seve OB

ring or pop into the pro shop???

Armchair Andy

Had one on Saturday where I picked up my marker from behind the ball on the green, went back to have a look at the line and on the way back to address the ball it fell backwards into an indent on the green. No more than 4 dimples but it was a calm day and I definitely didn't influence it. All OK?

HighLine

Yes all OK. Provided you are sure the ball's movement wasn't attributed to you, play it from it's new position without penalty.