Mileage intervals between servicing

Kealyboy

Hi, I'm currently driving a 2007 Kia ceed 1.6 crdi. I get my car serviced as per the main Kia dealer specifies, which is every 10,000km.

Does every 10,000km per service seem very soon per service? I personally taught every 15,000km should suffice...

Or is it just the case that the manufacture specify every 10,000km per service and not down to the main dealer?

Atlantic Dawn

Seems very soon, most cars would be 10/12k miles, lots of the newer diesels would be 20k km. I would though change the oil once a year if it didn't hit these figures. What does it say in the manual?

Kealyboy

To be honest with you I haven't even looked at the manual but I will do now that u mention it.

10,000km does seem a bit short considering that's only just over 6000 miles between services.

Sofiztikated

http://www.kia.co.uk/~/media/images/sports%20sponsorship/kia%20service%20schedule_feb%202015.ashx

unkel

Welcome to boards Kealyboy

You don't state what annual mileage you do. If you do 10k km per month, then yes, it is a bit soon to service your car every month!

These days a lot of manufacturers specify that their cars only need a service every 20, 25 or even 30k km. I wouldn't subscribe to that. I do low mileage in my cars but I service them every 10k km or every year, whichever comes first. I just did my 12 year old E60 BMW 6 cylinder 520i yesterday and the engine runs ever so smoothly

Kealyboy

I'm currently doing about 15,000km per annum. So it not to often that I'm getting the car serviced, bout every 8 months I suppose.

I might ring Kia and see what they say regard this query because it does seem short regardless of my annual mileage.

sunnysoutheast

As you say 10k km is only just over 6k miles. Seems very low for what is a mainstream car - would expect it to be the equivalent of 10k miles at least.

You haven't been given some sort of "harsh/dusty conditions" service interval have you?

Extra services won't have done any harm other than to your wallet!

Kealyboy

Just googled the Kia Service Schedule Intervals and it states my car should be serviced every 12,500 miles. That's like 20,000km, over twice the mileage that my Kia dealer States.

Can't understand how there can be such a huge difference between them

Money maybe

Alanstrainor

Kealyboy wrote: »

Just googled the Kia Service Schedule Intervals and it states my car should be serviced every 12,500 miles. That's like 20,000km, over twice the mileage that my Kia dealer States.

Can't understand how there can be such a huge difference between them

Money maybe

I'd say so.

How many km do you do per year? If you only do low mileage and cover 10k km in the year, servicing every year would be a good idea.

Mine gets a service every 5k km, but my car's my baby!

duffman3833

i have 2007 a4 tdi and i always get an oil change every 10k. I then change the filters (Excluding oil filter) within the next 5-8k myself. Oil is what keeps the engine running smoothly so that why i do oil changes more than any other service parts/procedures

dr.fuzzenstein

How the mileage is done is always key.
I drive ~120km a day, most of it motorway, less on weekends of course. I service the car every 20k km, that works out at roughly 4 or more services a year. The manufacturer recommended interval is 25k km, so I'm erring on the side of caution with 20k km.
Plus servicing every 10k km would get very expensive, very quickly! I carry out my own service, oil, filter and (once a year) air filter. Air filter gets a hoover every other time. I don't even use expensive unicorn tears oil, anything with the correct spec will do, used to buy liqi moly, but have been using Halfords oil for the last few years, usually wait till they have a €15 for 4l deal and stock up for the year.
When I bought the car in 2010 it had 115k km on it, it now has 340k km on it. Engine is perfect, no smoke, needs nearly no oil over the 20k km (barely have to check it), runs nicely, pulls good and when cruising along at 120km/h is barely audible. So 20k km is definitely not doing the car any harm. (Those 1.8 diesel Fords are nice cars. And near indestructible Don't let anyone tell you otherwise).
So 10k km on a modern car would be very surprising, that is 1983 Ford Escort using 15W40 territory.

charcosull

I service my 1.6D volvo every 8k km /every 3 months.
Over the top but I feel worth it for piece of mind on what is largely known as an engine that will bite you in the ass if not serviced regularly.

Treat it as a risk limiting exercise

dr.fuzzenstein

charcosull wrote: »

I service my 1.6D volvo every 8k km /every 3 months.
Over the top but I feel worth it for piece of mind on what is largely known as an engine that will bite you in the ass if not serviced regularly.

Treat it as a risk limiting exercise

It could be a tad over the top alright
But if this is the same 1.6 diesel as found in Fords and a lot of other cars, more is better. The 1.8 (Ford) lump will take a lot of abuse without complaint.
This one won't.

charcosull

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It could be a tad over the top alright
But if this is the same 1.6 diesel as found in Fords and a lot of other cars, more is better. The 1.8 (Ford) lump will take a lot of abuse without complaint.
This one won't.

That is the engine alright. PSA lump.
Sure I enjoy getting stuck in and doing it so what harm.

dr.fuzzenstein

charcosull wrote: »

That is the engine alright. PSA lump.
Sure I enjoy getting stuck in and doing it so what harm.

And probably not using that Halford's muck I keep throwing in mine.

Kealyboy

I've emailed Kia Ireland about this issue with regards Kia Ireland specification on service intervals of 20000km and my Kia dealer quoting service intervals of 10000km. They emailed me this reply;

"The mileage intervals as indicated on the Kia Motors website are for guidelines only. Your main Kia Motors Dealer may alter this for many reasons such as mileage being covered, driving style etc."

"Should you have any questions regarding this you should direct them to your Kia Dealer."

To me a 10000km discrepancy between the too of them still seem huge regardless of reason quoted above.

CJhaughey

No engine ever wore out from having the oil changed more often than the schedule.
The converse is not true.
Ask the dealer why they recommend the 10k oil change, if they are decent they will explain to you why they do it, maybe they have a lot of experience with that engine and do it for preventative reasons.
I have seen a lot of instances where early servicing has allowed cars to run trouble free for a lot longer than ones serviced to the book, changing the oil allows the engine to run on fresh oil and camchains and the like wear a lot less in fresh oil as opposed to old oil.
Its my belief that long intervals are not good for oil, no matter how expensive or high performance it may be.
I change mine every 8k km and I am now at 520k km with no issues.

walus

Modern diesel engines are very complex and rely on high quality synthetic oils now more so than it was the case 15-20 years ago. There was a time when manufacturers recommended service intervals every 30k kilometres and a good number of engines and turbos got destroyed. They reduced the oil replacement intervals to 15k after that period to prolong the life of vital engine components. I personally change oil every 10k kilometres. This ensures that the oil will not turn into sludge irrespectively of the quality of oil that one can buy in the local motor factors. Running oil for longer (15-20k kilometres) is possible assuming quality oil is used and the engine does not do much start-stop running where fuel dilution can be a problem. I would not run a modern diesel on longer than 10k kilometres irrespectively of what type of driving it is doing. OP stick to what the dealer recommends - I bet they have seen these engines going kaput and so have a valid reason for such recommendation.

dr.fuzzenstein

walus wrote: »

Modern diesel engines are very complex and rely on high quality synthetic oils now more so than it was the case 15-20 years ago. There was a time when manufacturers recommended service intervals every 30k kilometres and a good number of engines and turbos got destroyed. They reduced the oil replacement intervals to 15k after that period to prolong the life of vital engine components. I personally change oil every 10k kilometres. This ensures that the oil will not turn into sludge irrespectively of the quality of oil that one can buy in the local motor factors. Running oil for longer (15-20k kilometres) is possible assuming quality oil is used and the engine does not do much start-stop running where fuel dilution can be a problem. I would not run a modern diesel on longer than 10k kilometres irrespectively of what type of driving it is doing. OP stick to what the dealer recommends - I bet they have seen these engines going kaput and so have a valid reason for such recommendation.

10k km?

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

10k km on a modern car would be very surprising, that is 1983 Ford Escort using 15W40 territory.

:P

355k km (15k km since my last post on this thread) on Halford's and whatever else is cheap oil at 20k km intervals and still going strong.
But I dare say high mileage and good bit of motorway helps. So driving style is very much a factor. And of course type of car, the old Ford lump is a tough old bird.

walus

Yes. 10k km is what I recommend. Most engine oils available out there will provide adequate protection up to that mileage irrespectively of type of driving. As I said doing more is possible but I have seen used oil analysis results for a "good brand" oils that did not last much longer after that and these were supposed to be high quality synthetics. Keeping the intervals under 10k takes all those issues out of the equation. They put turbos onto everything now and they can make sh.t out of any oil.

Kealyboy

My car was in for a service last May, 10000km is now up on the clock since that service. Think I'll be booking it in for for a service come early January on that advice.

Thanks

cros13

I have to service my i3 every 50,000km or two years, whichever comes first.
I tend to do 50-55k a year, so far I'm on 33,000km since the end of March.

There have been issues with Nissan dealers putting "Service in 15,000km" stickers on Leafs. Which is very deceitful.
Nissan's recommendation is 30,000km, but it's just a visual inspection with the pollen filter occasionally changed so it's no big deal to skip it.

With the diesel I got rid of (2012 Avensis 2.0 D4D) used to change the oil every 10k and service every 20k.