legal question on entering Ireland

scamalert

So a short question if anyone can answer.

If a person from Non EU country (Ukraine) has a pass to live in one of the EU countries,can that person enter Ireland given that only document they have is permit to live in another EU country ?

Pro Hoc Vice

Depends on the reason for the permission in other EU country.

scamalert

thx for answer,don't actually know the reason behind permit for stay in another state,since asking on behalf of friend ,will update if have more.

unattendedbag

No they can't. Even if it's a Shengen visa meaning they can freely travel around the Shengen area they must still apply for separate entry visas for Ireland and also the UK. Although if they satisfy the criteria to obtain a Shengen visa in the first place then getting a short stay C visa for Ireland shouldn't be too much hassle.

scamalert

Ok find out that the persons permit is to live in a country-as in stay and work.Reason for traveling to Ire is because persons husband resides there,so not sure will the person will even be allowed to board the plane.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

No, unless it's the UK (and even then I'm not sure) because Ireland is not a part of the Shengen Agreement.

GerardKeating

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Depends on the reason for the permission in other EU country.

Also depends if they might be married to EU national?

scamalert

the person is married to EU national,but given that she has no passport or visa,i guess itll come down to customs dealing with situation.

Victor

scamalert wrote: »

given that only document they have is permit to live in another EU country ?

Aside from the visa issue, they will need a passport. Otherwise they risk being refused 'permission to land' (they won't get through immigration and will be sent back on the next plane / ship).

Pro Hoc Vice

scamalert wrote: »

the person is married to EU national,but given that she has no passport or visa,i guess itll come down to customs dealing with situation.

The person will need a passport. As its EU family permission and is either travelling to or with her spouse then the residency card should be sufficient with passport to get in. It is a little more complex than that but that the general idea.

scamalert

well aftermath is,person did arrive into Ireland,and got pulled by customs straight away,OH came over with marriage documents,details where he lives,income proof etc.And person was given 3 month stay.Also she had some sort of temp ID card from another EU state-but no passport.

GerardKeating

scamalert wrote: »

the person is married to EU national,but given that she has no passport or visa,i guess itll come down to customs dealing with situation.

As the Spouse of an EU National, if the EU National comes to Ireland for Work, that EU National has the right to bring his spouse with him, but I doubt if she would be allowed to board a plane without a passport, certain a Ryanair flight.

The person needs a passport to travel, either from their "home" country, or they try to naturalise in the country of the spouse, assuming that is possible.

Pro Hoc Vice

GerardKeating wrote: »

As the Spouse of an EU National, if the EU National comes to Ireland for Work, that EU National has the right to bring his spouse with him, but I doubt if she would be allowed to board a plane without a passport, certain a Ryanair flight.

The person needs a passport to travel, either from their "home" country, or they try to naturalise in the country of the spouse, assuming that is possible.

I have seen people from many countries in EU travelling to Ireland with a national ID card. Of course this not possible for Irish as we don't have such a card. The Ryanair website if I remember sets out that National ID card enough. In any event as the OP stated the outcome was the correct interpretation of the law.

From Ryanair

"A valid National Identity Card issued by the government of a European Economic Area (EEA) country. (Only the following EEA countries currently issue National Identity Cards acceptable for carriage on Ryanair flights: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France*, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. *The validity of French National ID cards (issued for adults) has been extended from 10 years to 15 years ONLY for cards issued between 2nd January 2004 and 31st December 2013 (except flights to/from Malta)."

Victor

scamalert wrote: »

person did arrive into Ireland,and got pulled by customs straight away

A common mistake, but customs and immigration are two separate activities, carried out by different agencies.