Case 885xl cutting out

greek88

We have an 86 885xl it runs fine for about 10 minutes no problem starting, but then suddenly looses power runs very low and cuts out if you dont have the throttle down fully. it can happen anywhere even if driving on the road full throttle and she nearly cuts out. any suggestions?

Shes is heating a bit so not sure if the radiator core is blocked even though we had a few people look at it and they reckon its fine, cleaned out etc, thermostat is out and cap is off.

sorry but anyone got any suggestions??? thanks

orm0nd

greek88 wrote: »

We have an 86 885xl it runs fine for about 10 minutes no problem starting, but then suddenly looses power runs very low and cuts out if you dont have the throttle down fully. it can happen anywhere even if driving on the road full throttle and she nearly cuts out. any suggestions?

Shes is heating a bit so not sure if the radiator core is blocked even though we had a few people look at it and they reckon its fine, cleaned out etc, thermostat is out and cap is off.

sorry but anyone got any suggestions??? thanks

try the simple things first

change all fuel filters,

there's also a mesh filter in the lift pump & a mesh gauge in the fuel tank

also check that the breather pipe for the the fuel tank isnt blocked (used to happen in those) just try running with tank cap loose or off to see does it make any difference ,

blow out the rad core with an air hose & put on the cap it needs pressure to circulate (check to see the cap isn't damaged) any hoses kinked or any traces of water in the oil or vica versa

if above does'nt solve you start looking at water pump , headgasket , fuel lift pump, injector pump & injectors

greek88

Thanks man will try this over the weekend

selectamatic

+1 on checking filters and lines! These are a divil if they are let air lock as they tend to suck in gunk from the diesel tank. It sounds definitely like its a fuel issue of some sort. On the over heating check the rad in the roof of the cab as these get clogged and stop proper water/coolant circulation. Also use plenty of coolant in the radiator water isn't recommended in these tractors as it can cause a limescale type build up in the coolant lines.

gazahayes

selectamatic wrote: »

+1 on checking filters and lines! These are a divil if they are let air lock as they tend to suck in gunk from the diesel tank. It sounds definitely like its a fuel issue of some sort. On the over heating check the rad in the roof of the cab as these get clogged and stop proper water/coolant circulation. Also use plenty of coolant in the radiator water isn't recommended in these tractors as it can cause a limescale type build up in the coolant lines.

Had the same problem with a 995 xl ended up taking of the 2 tanks and cleaning them out not a bother since some gunk came out of it.

whelan2

gazahayes wrote: »

Had the same problem with a 995 xl ended up taking of the 2 tanks and cleaning them out not a bother since some gunk came out of it.

same here, started at new filters, mesh etc.... cleaned out tanks, we also have a non return valve between the filter housing and the feed from the tank

Greengrass1

Had this prob a good bit with our 4240. V same engine as the 885.
can be porus fuel lines.
there's a little mesh online fuel filter. Get a new one if these only a few quid. They can block up quite easily if diesel is dirty.
Change fuel filters.
blow out your air filter. Get a new one if it's really dusty.
What we sometimes did was take off fuel line were it connected into the online fuel filter and blow air from compressor through it. That sorted it out sometimes.
Failing that take off the 2 tanks and clean them out - **** of a job.
The last job we did on ours was we had to get the injector pump re done.
We did all of the above and was very same as what you are saying is happening to yours atm was exactly what ours was like before we got the injector pump done.

Can't remember the terminology now but something had sheared inside pump and scored it.
Cist a pretty penny.

hope this helps I don't envy you

Miname

We've an 885 that was doing the same like others we cleaned out the fuel tanks an no issue since. Saying that it will probably stop now that I said it was going alright.

orm0nd

I referred to the air vent for the fuel tank ^^

I hazard a guess that a lot of the crap in the fuel tanks is sucked in through that pipe 'cos of the way it's set up

a simple fix for this is to bend the pipe into inverted U & cable tie it on to 1 of the steel diesel pipes

P_Cash

I recently learned never let it go below 1/4 level fuel wise. Starts sucking crap, +air if u run dry,

Ps, while the dial may not show empty, a certain position on a hill would cut the engine in seconds

Suckler

Greengrass1 wrote: »

there's a little mesh online fuel filter. Get a new one if these only a few quid. They can block up quite easily if diesel is dirty.

Had same symptoms on ford 3000 or 4000(? cant remember) but it was the fine mesh fuel filter that was in the tank causing the hassle.

patsy_mccabe

It does sound like a fuel issue. Either a blockage or air been sucked in somewhere. This kind of thing can be a bitch of a job, even for seasoned mechanics.

greek88

Thanks for the comments guys, will clean out tank, check gauze and replace filters etc. Hopefully that will sort it!
The 135 is back in action again as replacement!!

greek88

Cleaned out the diesel tank over the weekend it was absolutely covered in dirt. Also Gauze on to the Banjo bolt was completely clogged with dirt, surprised any diesel was coming out. Tractor is running a lot smoother and no loss of power any more.

just do it

greek88 wrote: »

Cleaned out the diesel tank over the weekend it was absolutely covered in dirt. Also Gauze on to the Banjo bolt was completely clogged with dirt, surprised any diesel was coming out. Tractor is running a lot smoother and no loss of power any more.

Funny enough I was talking to my mechanic yesterday and he reckons that diesel has generally gotten dirtier over the last number of years. Not just tractor diesel, car diesel as well. Both cars give trouble towards the end of the lifespan of the diesel filter and one in particular will be getting a tank clean out as it's dangerous to let it go too low in fuel.

greek88

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Had this prob a good bit with our 4240. V same engine as the 885.
can be porus fuel lines.
there's a little mesh online fuel filter. Get a new one if these only a few quid. They can block up quite easily if diesel is dirty.
Change fuel filters.
blow out your air filter. Get a new one if it's really dusty.
What we sometimes did was take off fuel line were it connected into the online fuel filter and blow air from compressor through it. That sorted it out sometimes.
Failing that take off the 2 tanks and clean them out - **** of a job.
The last job we did on ours was we had to get the injector pump re done.
We did all of the above and was very same as what you are saying is happening to yours atm was exactly what ours was like before we got the injector pump done.

Can't remember the terminology now but something had sheared inside pump and scored it.
Cist a pretty penny.

hope this helps I don't envy you

You wouldn't know how much the injector pump cost to be re-done. Ours had to come off yesterday evening theirs a lot of dirt in it and god knows what else wrong with it. Being sent away today to some guy who does them but iv no idea what it will cost?
Would anyone have a rough idea?
Thanks

orm0nd

greek88 wrote: »

You wouldn't know how much the injector pump cost to be re-done. Ours had to come off yesterday evening theirs a lot of dirt in it and god knows what else wrong with it. Being sent away today to some guy who does them but iv no idea what it will cost?
Would anyone have a rough idea?
Thanks

while you're at it send the injectors off as well

Greengrass1

greek88 wrote: »

You wouldn't know how much the injector pump cost to be re-done. Ours had to come off yesterday evening theirs a lot of dirt in it and god knows what else wrong with it. Being sent away today to some guy who does them but iv no idea what it will cost?
Would anyone have a rough idea?
Thanks

2 yrs ago now but nearly sure it was around 500e.
One of the valves broke off in ours and scored the inside of it.

Like orm0nd mentioned do inhector too.

Who's doing it? John massey in carne is at them all his life and is as good a lad you will get to do em

greek88

Im not sure its a local garage man thats sending it away for us, knows a guy that does them Kerry, based somewhere in Kilcummin (I Believe).

€500 lovely, Hopefully it won't cost that much....

Thanks for the reply's guys.

greek88

Total cost was about €600 got injectors and pump done the guy said he never seen so much dirt and corrosion in a pump before. Some pieces were totally gone. Hopefully now she'll stay going. Although there is a small drop coming from one of the injectors going from the pump. Im afraid to squeeze it too tight incase i damage the thread. is there anything i can use in the meantime to stop it? would thread lock work or is that just a stupid idea?

jack o shea

think clutch might be going on my case tractor, whats the obvious signs lads? how much would it cost? its a 4230.

visatorro

jack o shea wrote:

think clutch might be going on my case tractor, whats the obvious signs lads? how much would it cost? its a 4230.

you'd smell it if it was very bad. what makes you think it's gone? hard to get into gear, slipping when under pressure?

jack o shea

thought it was a bit slow to take off, and very lose/free to press down on, could it just be something going in it?

greek88

Im back with the same problem case 885xl runs fine for anything between 10 mins to 30 mins but eventually looses power and im talking about light enough work and moving the odd silage bale to the cows. I have checked the mesh gauze's in the tank they are perfectly clean changed the filters and the pump was re-conditioned along with the injectors.

Orm0nd mentioned in a previous comment "the breather pipe for the tank" where exactly is this pipe? and what exactly should i do with this to check if that is causing some issue?

I am also thinking i will take away the mesh gauze the tank was cleaned and to be fair the two diesel filters are there for a reason. maybe the mesh gauze's are stopping the flow of diesel in some way that is affecting the tractor?

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated as im fed up with trying to fix issues with this tractor its been nothing but trouble since we bought it and i amseriously thinking of taking out a loan for something decent and 4wd.

thanks

Nekarsulm

If you leave it did for a while, will it run OK for another 10 to 30 minutes?
or
If you leave the cap off the diesel tank while working does it do the same thing?

I would take the supply pipe off the first filter and blow back to the tank with an airline. You could have sludge or algae rolling around the tank and blocking the outlet.
Years ago I was tormented with a digger that would air lock when the tank got down to quarter full. You had to blow back to the tank, and then it would be ok for ages.It never happened if the tank was fuller, or nearly empty. It turned out to be a piece of cork gasket floating in the diesel, a couple of inches below the surface.
If you have rubber piping between the diesel tank and the filters, make sure it isn't swollen and collasping inwardly. Finally, if there are "banjo" fittings into the diesel primer/lift pump, put new copper washers on the fittings. Good luck.

orm0nd

Nekarsulm wrote: »

If you leave it did for a while, will it run OK for another 10 to 30 minutes?
or
If you leave the cap off the diesel tank while working does it do the same thing?

I would take the supply pipe off the first filter and blow back to the tank with an airline. You could have sludge or algae rolling around the tank and blocking the outlet.
Years ago I was tormented with a digger that would air lock when the tank got down to quarter full. You had to blow back to the tank, and then it would be ok for ages.It never happened if the tank was fuller, or nearly empty. It turned out to be a piece of cork gasket floating in the diesel, a couple of inches below the surface.
If you have rubber piping between the diesel tank and the filters, make sure it isn't swollen and collasping inwardly. Finally, if there are "banjo" fittings into the diesel primer/lift pump, put new copper washers on the fittings. Good luck.

can't add much to above , but there's a mesh gauge in the primer/hand pump I've seen these to get clogged , open the bolts & lift off the top

greek88

orm0nd wrote: »

can't add much to above , but there's a mesh gauge in the primer/hand pump I've seen these to get clogged , open the bolts & lift off the top

Thanks guys will check the hand pump gauze never knew there was one there more than likely that is choked up with gunk as the mesh gauze was on the tank before but I never cleaned that one.also iv a feeling there is no washer on the banjo bolt on one side of the tank this could e part of the problem. Thanks again lads

If I leave her idle doe a while or slightly revved she goes back to normal for another while.

greek88

well i was definately a fuel issue, its basically been running like this since my last post. i checked everything no dirt anywhere, until i checked my diesel last nite..... water. its not in my diesel tank as our mf135 is running fine. basically put it down to water getting in the air breather pipe there is a slot in the bonnet where water can get down and im assuming its getting in there somewhere so i have inverted the pipe. I recon there must have been water in the tank when we bought the tractor 2 years ago as we basically have had this problem from day 1, but anytime we drained the fuel tank we put back in the diesel as it was strained for dirt etc. think ill just drain off the tank and refill it with clean diesel.

orm0nd

greek88 wrote: »

well i was definately a fuel issue, its basically been running like this since my last post. i checked everything no dirt anywhere, until i checked my diesel last nite..... water. its not in my diesel tank as our mf135 is running fine. basically put it down to water getting in the air breather pipe there is a slot in the bonnet where water can get down and im assuming its getting in there somewhere so i have inverted the pipe. I recon there must have been water in the tank when we bought the tractor 2 years ago as we basically have had this problem from day 1, but anytime we drained the fuel tank we put back in the diesel as it was strained for dirt etc. think ill just drain off the tank and refill it with clean diesel.

change the fuel filters as well,

greek88

orm0nd wrote: »

change the fuel filters as well,

Changed them last night