VW beats Toyota to be the worlds no 1 car manufacturer

unkel

They've been trying for quite some time and it looks like they've finally done it.

5.04 million cars sold in the first 6 months of 2015 vs 5.02 million cars for Toyota

BBC linky

For 70 years GM was on top, then for 7 years Toyota and now VW. Will it last? Or will some Chinese company take over in a few years time?

pred racer

I haven't seen the figures, but I'd say looking around, Hyundai/Kia must be hot on their heels?

unkel

Combined they'll sell about 8m this year. GM is still near enough to 10m and Renault / Nissan is 4th with 8.5m. Close enough together the lot of them. But no signs from Chinese companies getting close

draiochtanois

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unkel

Good point but the 4 prestige brands probably amount to only a few % of total number of cars sold. Above figures are all number of cars, it would be interesting to see the $ turnover for each company. No doubt that would work in VW's favour.

draiochtanois

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ba_barabus

unkel wrote: »

Or will some Chinese company take over in a few years time?

Doubtful for now.

Domestic sales of Chinese brands have collapsed in the past 2 years. Even the locals recognise it as being shyte and want foreign brands.

kyote00

Is VW actually really "VW, Audi and Skoda" or are they really 5 million more passats trying to get past me :P

unkel wrote: »

They've been trying for quite some time and it looks like they've finally done it.

5.04 million cars sold in the first 6 months of 2015 vs 5.02 million cars for Toyota

BBC linky

For 70 years GM was on top, then for 7 years Toyota and now VW. Will it last? Or will some Chinese company take over in a few years time?

unkel

yes all their 8 makes that draiochtanois posted would be included in the figures.

rebel.ranter

ba_barabus wrote: »

Doubtful for now.

Domestic sales of Chinese brands have collapsed in the past 2 years. Even the locals recognise it as being shyte and want foreign brands.

Surely this is a golden opportunity for a Chinese car maker, maybe even something backed by one of the more established global brands.

Pov06

unkel wrote: »

yes all their 8 makes that draiochtanois posted would be included in the figures.

They should compare it to Daihatsu/Lexus/Toyota then.

Daihatsu make a lot of them one seater thingy things.

MugMugs

unkel wrote: »

yes all their 8 makes that draiochtanois posted would be included in the figures.

So a more accurate description would be VAG top Toyota?

Considering the volume VW have in comparison to Toyota, that's still not bad going for Toyota.

GM I'm surprised with, I'd have thought they were bigger than they are considering what they own.

Hachiko

What % of the sales is from Diesel buying europeans? Toyota have large markets in other global segments - Asia/USA where people would puke at the thought of a diesel.

colm_mcm

A big chunk of the cars involved here are models for developing countries that we don't even get, or stuff that we got 10 years ago.

unkel

Pov06 wrote: »

They should compare it to Daihatsu/Lexus/Toyota then.

I'm sure they did. It's obvious from the figures that all makes within these car giant conglomerates were added up

road_high

Pov06 wrote: »

They should compare it to Daihatsu/Lexus/Toyota then.

Daihatsu make a lot of them one seater thingy things.

Oh are Daihatsu and Lexus not included? Surely the bones of a million cars then not included in the Toyota figures in that case?

Duke O Smiley

I don't know about Chinese cars topping those figures in Europe. In Asia quite possibly but what Chinese cars are sold in Europe in lrge numbers?

ba_barabus

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I don't know about Chinese cars topping those figures in Europe. In Asia quite possibly but what Chinese cars are sold in Europe in lrge numbers?

The MG3 seems to be doing the best to me

Duke O Smiley

ba_barabus wrote: »

The MG3 seems to be doing the best to me

And they are hardly flying out of showrooms.

colm_mcm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I don't know about Chinese cars topping those figures in Europe. In Asia quite possibly but what Chinese cars are sold in Europe in lrge numbers?

Volvos?

jimgoose

Be still my fluttering heart! Oh wait, that's Courvoisier.

Duke O Smiley

colm_mcm wrote: »

Volvos?

Really?

unkel

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Really?

Of course. Volvo, Saab, Rover are all Chinese cars these days

Duke O Smiley

unkel wrote: »

Of course. Volvo, Saab, Rover are all Chinese cars these days

Wow I am really behind.

They still make Rover?

jimgoose

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Wow I am really behind.

They still make Rover?

Blitish Weywand.

Duke O Smiley

jimgoose wrote: »

Blitish Weywand.

Ah, the Roewe 75 etc.

I must admit when I first saw the name I genuinely thought that was a piss take

gctest50

worse - someone persuaded Tata to buy Jaguar, Range Rover and all the rest

jimgoose

gctest50 wrote: »

worse - someone persuaded Tata to buy Jaguar, Range Rover and all the rest

Jaguar Land-Rover. They're still built at Castle Bromwich and pound-for-pound about the most devilishly handsome bounder of a thing one can buy!

Duke O Smiley

Yep I don't think they'll be making them alongside the Tata safari anytime soon

ba_barabus

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Yep I don't think they'll be making them alongside the Tata safari anytime soon

Defender production for 3rd world markets is moving to India

Tea 1000

unkel wrote: »

They've been trying for quite some time and it looks like they've finally done it.

5.04 million cars sold in the first 6 months of 2015 vs 5.02 million cars for Toyota

BBC linky

For 70 years GM was on top, then for 7 years Toyota and now VW. Will it last? Or will some Chinese company take over in a few years time?

VW did get ahead of Toyota for 6 months a few years back, 2010 I think.

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Is Ducatti included?

unkel wrote: »

Good point but the 4 prestige brands probably amount to only a few % of total number of cars sold. Above figures are all number of cars, it would be interesting to see the $ turnover for each company. No doubt that would work in VW's favour.

You might be surprised, VW poured a lot of money into various areas recently, and R&D costs for some cars is massive. However in a few years their MQB platform success will bear fruit, all the R&D money will come back in spades!

gctest50 wrote: »

worse - someone persuaded Tata to buy Jaguar, Range Rover and all the rest

Tata seemed to have been good for those brands.

MugMugs

It appears that the farmers support the above claim.

draiochtanois

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Tea 1000

draiochtanois wrote: »

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But would VW include them in their report or not? The title is just the title.

unkel

The BBC uses "vehicle" in the title of the link. I don't think motorcycles are included.

Tea 1000

unkel wrote: »

The BBC uses "vehicle" in the title of the link. A motorbike is not a vehicle, so I think it's safe to say they are not included.

Still missing my point. BBC would say vehicle, but it's VW who released their figures. What did VW release specifically is all that matters. Assuming Journalists did any meaningful research for a headline is giving many of them far too much credit!!

draiochtanois

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Tea 1000

draiochtanois wrote: »

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Hard to find much in Google. Here's from the horses mouth:
http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/news/2015/07/PM_HY.html

Looks like Scania and MAN are included, no mention of Ducatti or Lambourghini, but that doesn't mean they're not included either, they might be part of Audi's figures. No menion of Bugatti either, but one might assume they're included!

draiochtanois

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Tea 1000

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I know, that's why I said they might be included in Audi's figures, which still leaves my question about Ducati unanswered! They might well be included in the sales figures for all we know, regardless of who types what on the headlines!!

noelf

Toyota's sales include Diahatsu and the Hino truck brands . Volkswagen's include the Man and Scania truck brands no mention of Audi , Lexus .. Automotive News Europe..Toyota has a better profit margin than Volkswagen though due to much higher employee levels and worker's union ..