first reactor in 15 yrs

P_Cash

1 reactor on the annual test. bullock,

just want to confirm what will happen here:

1, Dept will send out a valuer.
2, we agree a price
3, The Dept will arrange for the bullock to be collected.
4, another test 60 days from now,
5, if the above one is clear, then another test 60 days later.
6, if the second test is clear, then movements restriction lifted.

* Does a vet call to see the bullock/Test him again?

also, when doesn the 60 days start? is it from the test date? or from when then bullock is taken off the farm?

correct?

does the Dept pay for the 2 retests?


Regards.

freedominacup

P_Cash wrote: »

1 reactor on the annual test. bullock,

just want to confirm what will happen here:

1, Dept will send out a valuer.
2, we agree a price
3, The Dept will arrange for the bullock to be collected.
4, another test 60 days from now,
5, if the above one is clear, then another test 60 days later.
6, if the second test is clear, then movements restriction lifted.

* Does a vet call to see the bullock/Test him again?

also, when doesn the 60 days start? is it from the test date? or from when then bullock is taken off the farm?

correct?

does the Dept pay for the 2 retests?


Regards.

You have it fairly right. You'll get a letter from dept asap outlining it all. Unless someone is quoting you from a letter they got in similar circumstances lately you won't be much wiser at the end of this thread. You'll have to pay for the test that puts you clear AFAIK. Valuation on pedigree recorded cows is fair imo, wouldn't have any idea about beef cattle.
60 days is usually from test date. They don't tolerate any messing around about getting reactor cattle off farms. They rightly want them gone quickly.

Pacoa

As Freedom said, you have it fairly right. Had a reactor myself last year. We never had tb here before. So she went to the factory and killed out with no lesions and i went clear in the 2 tests after that so it probably was a false negative and it sounds like thats what you have too. Pain in the @ss though going through all the rigmeroll of testing etc afterwards but you'll get through it, so chin up and soldier on.

foxy farmer

Im locked up here too. Dept could come out to take blood samples from reactors as well. Dept will want factory docket for reactors and receipt for disinfectant to pay reactor grant.

greysides

The 60 days starts when the animal leaves the premises.

The Dept will pay for this test and any further testing up to the test at which you come clear. That one you pay for.

It is usual to have a six month check test after the clearance test.

It is also possible you may qualify for the Singleton programme assuming it's still policy, if several factors are in your favour; in that case one clear test may be enough.

blue5000

Did you have any doubtful in the test?

AP2014

greysides wrote: »

The 60 days starts when the animal leaves the premises.

The Dept will pay for this test and any further testing up to the test at which you come clear. That one you pay for.

It is usual to have a six month check test after the clearance test.

It is also possible you may qualify for the Singleton programme assuming it's still policy, if several factors are in your favour; in that case one clear test may be enough.

If this is clear do you have to have a herd test that year then?

P_Cash

blue5000 wrote: »

Did you have any doubtful in the test?

Nope, the rest hadn't a pimple

Nettleman

P_Cash wrote: »

1 reactor on the annual test. bullock,

just want to confirm what will happen here:

1, Dept will send out a valuer.
2, we agree a price
3, The Dept will arrange for the bullock to be collected.
4, another test 60 days from now,
5, if the above one is clear, then another test 60 days later.
6, if the second test is clear, then movements restriction lifted.

* Does a vet call to see the bullock/Test him again?

also, when doesn the 60 days start? is it from the test date? or from when then bullock is taken off the farm?

correct?

does the Dept pay for the 2 retests?


Regards.

Think they may do a third test six months after item 6 and will likely offer you to apply for a hardship grant of 400 a month over the winter period if restrictions still apply. You can ask them for a permit after first clear test if your desperate to buy in

greysides

AP2014 wrote: »

If this is clear do you have to have a herd test that year then?

I'm not sure if there's area flexibility involved but I believe that the six month check test is an extra test and the annual test will fall due 6 months later.

There was a time where the six month check test lasted for three years before the herd reverted to a normal testing regime but I think that doesn't apply any longer.

Sam Kade

One time I had a reactor and the valuer called we agreed on a price and as he was writing it down I gave a look to see what he was writing but he blocked my view :mad: When I got the confirmation from the department the b@stard had put down a lower price than what we both agreed :mad:

AP2014

greysides wrote: »

I'm not sure if there's area flexibility involved but I believe that the six month check test is an extra test and the annual test will fall due 6 months later.

There was a time where the six month check test lasted for three years before the herd reverted to a normal testing regime but I think that doesn't apply any longer.

Ah I see. An old neighbour went down last year and he had a test 2 months ago and didn't have to pay.

I told him he will probably have another herd test that he will have to pay for. He is worried if the test is October and he goes down he won't be able to fodder and look after them over winter.

I was advising him to sell a few sept to limit his exposure. Fella is pushing on. Has just a few dry stock.

P_Cash

AP2014 wrote: »

Ah I see. An old neighbour went down last year and he had a test 2 months ago and didn't have to pay.

I told him he will probably have another herd test that he will have to pay for. He is worried if the test is October and he goes down he won't be able to fodder and look after them over winter.

I was advising him to sell a few sept to limit his exposure. Fella is pushing on. Has just a few dry stock.

I made the mistake on not testing early spring, i usually offload what i have now around Nov time.

AP2014

P_Cash wrote: »

I made the mistake on not testing early spring, i usually offload what i have now around Nov time.

Can you request an early herd test or why was it now?

P_Cash

AP2014 wrote: »

Can you request an early herd test or why was it now?

Depending on how u farm, if buying in early spring and letting go in Nov, then have ur test early May or before it. So that u won't be stuck

Buford T. Justice XIX

P_Cash wrote: »

1 reactor on the annual test. bullock,

just want to confirm what will happen here:

1, Dept will send out a valuer.
2, we agree a price
3, The Dept will arrange for the bullock to be collected.
4, another test 60 days from now,
5, if the above one is clear, then another test 60 days later.
6, if the second test is clear, then movements restriction lifted.

* Does a vet call to see the bullock/Test him again?

also, when doesn the 60 days start? is it from the test date? or from when then bullock is taken off the farm?

correct?

does the Dept pay for the 2 retests?


Regards.

As Greysides said above, the first re-test is 60 days after the reactors removed.

Also, the Sept has a 10 day target time for the reactors to be gone from the farm. The valuation offer should be with you in 4 days after the valuer has seen the animal. If you dispute the valuation of the reactor, you can look for another valuation which is final, I think. Also, disputing the valuation will delay the removal of the reactor from the farm and also the timing of your re-tests.

P_Cash

Rang dept there, was told kinda bluntly it's out of our hands now, it's all gone off to roscommon.

Could take 2 weeks to remove animal, gobsmacked.

I've him split from the heard and he's not liking it obviously. Sh1et position to be in.

P_Cash

Meant to ask on valuation, what do people use as a guide,

It states on the dept web that market price that would be obtained if the animal was to be sold right now on open market without been a reactor.

Would it help if i produced the mart receipt which i have when i bought him 3 months ago?

Hes a fine chx, around 400kgs now.

Buford T. Justice XIX

P_Cash wrote: »

Meant to ask on valuation, what do people use as a guide,

It states on the dept web that market price that would be obtained if the animal was to be sold right now on open market without been a reactor.

Would it help if i produced the mart receipt which i have when i bought him 3 months ago?

Hes a fine chx, around 400kgs now.

It wouldn't hurt anyway.

Milked out

I think they send out a list of general valuations prior to valuers decision or else with the valuers quote, ped, non pedigree etc.
The six month check test does not count as herd test, the annual herd test will have to done as well

P_Cash

Milked out wrote: »

I think they send out a list of general valuations prior to valuers decision or else with the valuers quote, ped, non pedigree etc.
The six month check test does not count as herd test, the annual herd test will have to done as well

Once the ban is lifted this stock is all off loaded, another batch arriving in feb, but god only knows when this bunch will go.

Also i don't get this list of valuations, surely it's they're best figure.

I thought i could agree a figure on the day off the valuer visit

Bellview

freedominacup wrote: »

You have it fairly right. You'll get a letter from dept asap outlining it all. Unless someone is quoting you from a letter they got in similar circumstances lately you won't be much wiser at the end of this thread. You'll have to pay for the test that puts you clear AFAIK. Valuation on pedigree recorded cows is fair imo, wouldn't have any idea about beef cattle.
60 days is usually from test date. They don't tolerate any messing around about getting reactor cattle off farms. They rightly want them gone quickly.

I know of one guy who has gone through the horrors with ped & commercial recently... the valuer valued a martin FR heifer @ 900 & pedigree AA heifers lower... never understand why the dept can't pay on weight at commercial value and move on as the amount of money spent on second valuing & negotiation is costing the farmer money and wasting money for a dept official to justify their job... this is where IFA, ICSA etc need to pony up anf help folks

blue5000

Have the receipt in your pocket the day of the valuation, bring it out after you see the valuation. For a bullock they estimate the live weight and multiply it by that days valuation, for that quality of a bullock you should do ok. Testing here this morning too, 3rd time this year. The herd where that bullock came from will probably be tested too.

Milked out

P_Cash wrote: »

Once the ban is lifted this stock is all off loaded, another batch arriving in feb, but god only knows when this bunch will go.

Also i don't get this list of valuations, surely it's they're best figure.

I thought i could agree a figure on the day off the valuer visit

When we went down last they had figures for pedigree and non pedigree cows, milk yield lactation and whether they were in calf or not and valuations in ranges based on that info that they supply and the valuer puts the cow in one of those brackets then. Not sure what it's like for beef cattle.
It's frustrating not knowing when u go clear but there is nothing you can do really. Just come up with options if u do or don't go clear.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Milked out wrote: »

When we went down last they had figures for pedigree and non pedigree cows, milk yield lactation and whether they were in calf or not and valuations in ranges based on that info that they supply and the valuer puts the cow in one of those brackets then. Not sure what it's like for beef cattle.
It's frustrating not knowing when u go clear but there is nothing you can do really. Just come up with options if u do or don't go clear.

You get the valuation in the post along with a 30+page printout of different types of cattle, their weights, age and their value. Also different fat classes and confirmations.

If you ask around, you will hear of different valuers who are harder and others who give higher values and you can ask for those to value the cattle if you don't agree with the first valuer.