New aviation museum set to open in Dublin - "will rival Belfast's Titanic experience"

Lockheed

http://www.herald.ie/news/plan-for-aircraft-museum-in-dublin-to-rival-titanic-experience-31402834.html

What do you all think? Imo it's about time we get one, we have such a rich aviation history

shedweller

I'll be there thats for sure!

Peregrine

I think Baldonnel is too remote.

L1011

Peregrine wrote: »

I think Baldonnel is too remote.

Has to be somewhere with a runway, though. Either that or you have non flying, cut and welded exhibits

Peregrine

L1011 wrote: »

Has to be somewhere with a runway, though. Either that or you have non flying, cut and welded exhibits

Yeah, since DUB can be ruled out, I can understand that the IAA would prefer to deal with the DF as opposed to Weston or other regional airfields.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds brilliant, I'm just worried about how I'd get there! :pac:

jimbis

Certainly something this country needs and deserves.

Personally I hope it's better than the titanic thing because I thought that was a big let down after all the hype that went into it.

Lots of aircraft, props, memorabilia, interactive stuff, rare finds... and not an overkill of reading crap printed on the walls (like titanic)

Pat Dunne

Peregrine wrote: »

I'm just worried about how I'd get there! :pac:

68 bus from Burgh Quay, will bring you directly to the Main Gate.

Strumms

jimbis wrote: »

Certainly something this country needs and deserves.

Personally I hope it's better than the titanic thing because I thought that was a big let down after all the hype that went into it.

Lots of aircraft, props, memorabilia, interactive stuff, rare finds... and not an overkill of reading crap printed on the walls (like titanic)

Totally, I'd like it to be something on the lines of Le Bourget just outside Paris. Lots of aircraft and exhibitions indoor and outdoor. Ok we won't have two Concordes or indeed all that space but if it's done correctly it could be a winner. Also hope they don't look too insular and ignore the history of global aviation.

Peregrine

Pat Dunne wrote: »

68 bus from Burgh Quay, will bring you directly to the Main Gate.

Are you sure? It used to be only a handful of 68s that via Baldonnel. 68v, I think. Otherwise, you had to get off the 68 on New Nagor Road and walk 20mins on a rural road with no footpaths.

If that changed then that's great

smurfjed

since DUB can be ruled out

Why? wouldn't it make more sense to locate it at EIDW?

L1011

jimbis wrote: »

Lots of aircraft, props, memorabilia, interactive stuff, rare finds... and not an overkill of reading crap printed on the walls (like titanic)

State-run museums here are usually of a decent quality (edit: and cheap tickets by European standards or completely free), so I hold out hope

We badly need a properly funded and resourced transport museum also, a combined transport/aviation like the Swiss (well, it'd take 50 years of collecting artefacts etc to be like theirs - we've no Convair 990s hidden in a garden shed somewhere - but you get the idea) would be ideal.

smurfjed

smurfjed wrote: »

Why? wouldn't it make more sense to locate it at EIDW?

Can't see them getting the necessary land and access they need to taxiways and Also having road frontage and large space for car parking near the airport. East side is out, south side is out with sports fields and DAA parking. West side is ear marked for another terminal.

Far easier to go to Bal and much quieter airspace especially at the weekends when little happens. I wonder will Airmotive be looked at and a ramp and taxiway added.

I heard the IAA were looking for a fly able DC3 and Spitfire.

logie101

Don't mean to cause offense or put a dampener on the idea but really what"rich aviation heritage" are the IAA talking about?

And what is the IAA's agenda for this?

Belfast and indeed the North has a much more interesting aviation history from aircraft manufacturing in Shorts and from activity in WW2. Harry Ferguson is another example.
Not much to get excited about in Dublin regarding aviation.

L1011

logie101 wrote: »

Don't mean to cause offense or put a dampener on the idea but really what"rich aviation heritage" are the IAA talking about?

Ireland's critical role in transatlantic aviation isn't generally denied by anyyone, then we have the widespread influences of the Irish on aviation abroad. Aer Lingus trained much of the developing worlds airlines in the 1960s/1970s and the the next generation of executives have spread across the globe - Walsh, Joyce, et al. This is before even touching on Ryanair - worlds largest international (and still 6th largest when domestic is counted) airline is quite something for a big rock in a bigger ocean.

logie101 wrote: »

Belfast and indeed the North has a much more interesting aviation history from aircraft manufacturing in Shorts and from activity in WW2. Harry Ferguson is another example.
Not much to get excited about in Dublin regarding aviation.

The north has small enough scale manufacturing by an English firm that moved and WW2 stuff and thats it, basically. I wouldn't call it more interesting by any means (I'd actually consider it far behind), and more recently NI has been an aviation backwater.

Celly Smunt

Ya know what would really help, if they stopped fupping advertising VisitNI all over the place down here. Everytime I go through Dublin airport I'm shocked at the amount of advertisements there are for Northern Ireland. You don't go to France and see visit Spain plastered all over the place.



Edit: just noticed the forum this is posted in, probably not the most relevant post.Apologies.

L1011

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Ya know what would really help, if they stopped fupping advertising VisitNI all over the place down here. Everytime I go through Dublin airport I'm shocked at the amount of advertisements there are for Northern Ireland. You don't go to France and see visit Spain plastered all over the place.



Edit: just noticed the forum this is posted in, probably not the most relevant post.Apologies.

While I'm not sure where you intended this to be, VisitNI pay for all those ads at commercial rates.

Celly Smunt

L1011 wrote: »

While I'm not sure where you intended this to be, VisitNI pay for all those ads at commercial rates.

Still a significant loss of revenue advertising the likes of Belfast and the giants causeway, could easily encourage tourists an hour up the road.

Anyway I won't derail.

L1011

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Still a significant loss of revenue advertising the likes of Belfast and the giants causeway, could easily encourage tourists an hour up the road.

Anyway I won't derail.

The DAA (I assume you mean at the airport) would likely have sold the entire ad space en bloc to a third party and would have zero control over the content. Even if managed in house, there would be severe legal issues if it became obvious they were refusing valid and legal requests for reasons like this. Clear Channel appear to have the SNN contract, can't find a specific firm for the DUB one but many seem to offer space.

If VisitNI are going to pay for it, so be it. Their money.

Crimsonforce

Excellent idea.
I was recently at the Brussels aviation one where it had Hundreds of aircraft, all from the world wars right up to 10 years ago when things were decommisoned. mig 16 , apache helicopters etc. They had some of the ones that were tried in the early 1900s. Was actually an amazing few hours I spent there and it was free. Here's the link to some of them on display

http://airmuseum.be/aircraftondisplay/#propbomb

robclay26

If this museum goes ahead, it would be fantastic if the last remaining EI 747 in the dessert was restored and brought home. Think Germany has the only fully intact 747 in a museum in Europe, so that would be a big bonus to have
Pity Ryanair don't have an old 737-200 to donate too.

smurfjed

it would be fantastic if the last remaining EI 747 in the dessert was restored and brought home

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus/Boeing-747-130/0148851/L/

That wont be too easy...

sparrowcar

Crimsonforce wrote: »

Excellent idea.
I was recently at the Brussels aviation one where it had Hundreds of aircraft, all from the world wars right up to 10 years ago when things were decommisoned. mig 16 , apache helicopters etc. They had some of the ones that were tried in the early 1900s. Was actually an amazing few hours I spent there and it was free. Here's the link to some of them on display

http://airmuseum.be/aircraftondisplay/#propbomb

I've been to this museum twice. It's amazing in its content but lacking in its interaction. It would be amazing to have something like this is Dublin.

L1011

smurfjed wrote: »

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus/Boeing-747-130/0148851/L/

That wont be too easy...

That's not the last one. One of the ones that went to Nigeria is intact as a ground trainer in the US

Stealthirl

robclay26 wrote: »

If this museum goes ahead, it would be fantastic if the last remaining EI 747 in the dessert was restored and brought home. Think Germany has the only fully intact 747 in a museum in Europe, so that would be a big bonus to have
Pity Ryanair don't have an old 737-200 to donate too.

Fantastic set up in the Technik Museum in Speyer
the Technik in Sinsheim has a Concorde and Tupolev TU-144
Any AVGeek that gets the chance should visit them,Speyer is the better of the 2 in my opinion

robclay26

smurfjed wrote: »

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus/Boeing-747-130/0148851/L/

That wont be too easy...

Not that one. In Roswell, is former EI-ASI or ASJ, the one in your photo is bed

arubex

L1011 wrote: »

The north has small enough scale manufacturing by an English firm that moved and WW2 stuff and thats it, basically. I wouldn't call it more interesting by any means (I'd actually consider it far behind), and more recently NI has been an aviation backwater.

If you are forunate to fly in Aer Lingus' new A330 business class cabin, you can ponder that thought as you lie-back on the seat designed and made in Craigavon... and that's just one of the aviation companies still running in NI.

Yes, NI aviation manufacturing was never huge in revenue or jobs but it was innovative and is still cutting-edge in several respects. The CFRP wing lay-up for the C-Series, using techniques and equipment developed in Belfast, is a global case-study. The Thales missile facility in Castlereagh is still winning dozen-of-millions-of-dollars orders, and none of its heritage is traced back to Shorts-Rochester. It was entirely NI-grown.

el tel

"It is expected that a planning application will be in place by the end of the year, with the facility due to open by 2017".

Keep dreaming!

"This is basically restoring old aircraft and old aircraft heritage, so we've currently got the Aer Lingus Iolar, the first aircraft, three chipmunk (aircraft) and they're all in flying order," said Mr Brennan.

Sounds like they've enough for a "Tunel of chipmunks"

Not being funny, but this will not rival the Titanic thing. I am not a fan of the Titanic at all but it's a big draw for foreign visitors to NI who, let's be honest, have **** all else to see in Belfast. Will anyone coming to Dublin give a crap for an aviation experience that's out of the way and probably rubbish compared to the attractions? They'd need to be a right avaition buff, rather than just "anyone with a passing interest in flying".

shedweller

el tel wrote: »

"It is expected that a planning application will be in place by the end of the year, with the facility due to open by 2017".

Keep dreaming!

"This is basically restoring old aircraft and old aircraft heritage, so we've currently got the Aer Lingus Iolar, the first aircraft, three chipmunk (aircraft) and they're all in flying order," said Mr Brennan.

Sounds like they've enough for a "Tunel of chipmunks"

Not being funny, but this will not rival the Titanic thing. I am not a fan of the Titanic at all but it's a big draw for foreign visitors to NI who, let's be honest, have **** all else to see in Belfast. Will anyone coming to Dublin give a crap for an aviation experience that's out of the way and probably rubbish compared to the attractions? They'd need to be a right avaition buff, rather than just "anyone with a passing interest in flying".

If they go like the W5 in Belfast then there's going to be a lot more people attending. I have three kids and they need hands on and lots of it. No use just looking at stuff!

jmayo

L1011 wrote: »

Ireland's critical role in transatlantic aviation isn't generally denied by anyyone, then we have the widespread influences of the Irish on aviation abroad. Aer Lingus trained much of the developing worlds airlines in the 1960s/1970s and the the next generation of executives have spread across the globe - Walsh, Joyce, et al. This is before even touching on Ryanair - worlds largest international (and still 6th largest when domestic is counted) airline is quite something for a big rock in a bigger ocean.

Ah come on you don't attract people to an aviation museum with stories about how many of your national carriers ex employees are running major airlines, or how many developing countries your national carrier helped.
Or trade on the likes of the Ryanair success story.
If that is your ideas for an aviation museum then good luck.

A lot of people, and kids expecially, want to go to an avaiation museum to see cool aircraft and learn about interesting stories.
And lets be honest most of the cool stuff is military related not a passenger airliner in sight unless of course you can lay your hands on an original 747, constellation, concorde, something else unusual or huge.

I have been in some small aviation museums, but they had some really cool stuff that they could use to sell the place.
None of it was do with the national airline or a current carrier however successful they were.
And not being funny, but attach the Ryanair name too much to it and people will make jokes you will have to pay to use the toilets.

L1011 wrote: »

The north has small enough scale manufacturing by an English firm that moved and WW2 stuff and thats it, basically. I wouldn't call it more interesting by any means (I'd actually consider it far behind), and more recently NI has been an aviation backwater.

You see there you go.
If who ever sets it up or runs it has your mindset it will be destined to be terrible and no one bar a few will want to bother with.
That WWII stuff is exactly the stuff a lot of people would want to see and would want to learn about.

Oh and if you want to include life stories about people you do them about people like Nancy Corrigan who trained US pilots during WWII, took part in Cleveland air races, was the second woman in the U.S. to get a commercial pilot's license, the first woman to head up a university avaiation department.

L1011

As opposed to showing them a Shed and some concrete slipways (the NI suggestion would amount to that)?

arubex

L1011 wrote: »

As opposed to showing them a Shed and some concrete slipways (the NI suggestion would amount to that)?

Ireland specialises in aviation services* ( airlines, leasing, maintenance, trans-atlantic waypoints ). NI specialises in production. Neither is 'better' than the other in terms of aviation heritage.

Perhaps we could pick a site near Dundalk and build a joint museum to share the whole story?


* The very fact that Iolar, built in Hatfield north of London, is considered a precious part of Ireland's aviation heritage attests to that! What's up, don't have any home-grown aircraft?

Joe 90

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilian_Bland

_Tombstone_

The Flying Boat Museum in Foynes is well done. Get whoever is involved there to do this I say.


If ever going to that place^^, give yourself hours...like 3 I'd say. They let people in an hour before closing, you wouldn't be a quarter of the way around and they'll want you out. Ruined it for me.

andy_g

robclay26 wrote: »

Pity Ryanair don't have an old 737-200 to donate too.

Its possible to restore the fire training aircraft at DUB i was over at it recently and its not its not in great shape but is still usable from the fuselage side of things.

billie1b

andy_g wrote: »

Its possible to restore the fire training aircraft at DUB i was over at it recently and its not its not in great shape but is still usable from the fuselage side of things.

The smell on it is disgusting! You'd need a SCBA just to walk around it

andy_g

billie1b wrote: »

The smell on it is disgusting! You'd need a SCBA just to walk around it

Was exactly like my dc3 in malta before we started work on it, as the dc3 was on the fire dump in safi for many years