new TAMS grant

Landys

just wondering are many considering applying for new TAMS grant announced yesterday ......looks like will need planning permission for almost everything , regardless if on public road or not and submit yard plans and engineers report for certain things.........need nitrates report also so presume will have to have a Teagasc input to assist in applying..........could be case of red tape over load and if costs spike may negate the effect of the grant .....

Greengrass1

Landys wrote: »

just wondering are many considering applying for new TAMS grant announced yesterday ......looks like will need planning permission for almost everything , regardless if on public road or not and submit yard plans and engineers report for certain things.........need nitrates report also so presume will have to have a Teagasc input to assist in applying..........could be case of red tape over load and if costs spike may negate the effect of the grant .....

Only 40% of 80,000.
A hell of alot if work for 32k.
I know lads who regret the day they applied for planning permission.

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Only 40% of 80,000.
A hell of alot if work for 32k.
I know lads who regret the day they applied for planning permission.

I'll have your 40% so gg.appkting for 40% grant for yard lighting,cover over existing open slurry tank,head scoop for crush ,yard lighting ,plate cooler for parlour here.no planning required and straight forward process .40/60% grant not to be sneezed at .make full use of it is my advice

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Only 40% of 80,000.
A hell of alot if work for 32k.
I know lads who regret the day they applied for planning permission.

I also know of 2 lads who curse the day they built and never obtain pp ,potential to turn into very costly mistake

Farmer Pudsey

When you calculate in vat it is nearly a 50% grant. Also you are allowed to charge for you own time. I know lads that build shed for the price of the 60% grant back in 2010. A 90K job would cost 45K after vat and grant, the price of a new jeep or tractor that so many lads are in love with. I say the concrete will out last the jeep or tractor.

Planning is not the pain lads imagine a lot of county councils will allow fairy basic drawings especially for site lines etc. If you own the land it is as cheap longterm to do it right as to be using so called cheaper solutions. With the grant a 4 bay slatted unit will be around 20K and less if you can do barriers,walls etc youself. Unless you are an idiot there is no need to get ripped off as building is still not taken off.

TPF2012

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

When you calculate in vat it is nearly a 50% grant. Also you are allowed to charge for you own time.

What are you allowed to pay yourself an hour when charging for your own time?

Farmer Pudsey

TPF2012 wrote: »

What are you allowed to pay yourself an hour when charging for your own time?

Look up reference cost but off hand I think it ia about 14/hour. As well you are allowed to charge for machinery you use (tractor digger etc), but you will only be grant aided to the reference cost of project.

White Clover

Once lads use their brain and refuse to be ripped off one could do a tidy job for reasonable money. Cost out everything thoroughly and if you can do a bit yourself it's a golden chance to make things a lot more sade and efficient.

Deepsouthwest

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

When you calculate in vat it is nearly a 50% grant. Also you are allowed to charge for you own time. I know lads that build shed for the price of the 60% grant back in 2010. A 90K job would cost 45K after vat and grant, the price of a new jeep or tractor that so many lads are in love with. I say the concrete will out last the jeep or tractor.

Planning is not the pain lads imagine a lot of county councils will allow fairy basic drawings especially for site lines etc. If you own the land it is as cheap longterm to do it right as to be using so called cheaper solutions. With the grant a 4 bay slatted unit will be around 20K and less if you can do barriers,walls etc youself. Unless you are an idiot there is no need to get ripped off as building is still not taken off.

I'm pretty sure it's 40% before the vat

Farmer Pudsey

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's 40% before the vat

It is 40% after you take off vat. Reference costs are exclusive of vat as vat is reclaimable by itself.

Parishlad

Haven't had a chance to look at this in detail yet. Thinking of putting up a basic shed mainly to hold weanlings over the winter. Anyone know the closing date? If PP is needed then it cud be a bit of a push.

tanko

Do you need to have received planning permission when you apply or is it enough to have applied for PP when sending in the application?

Cavanjack

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

When you calculate in vat it is nearly a 50% grant. Also you are allowed to charge for you own time. I know lads that build shed for the price of the 60% grant back in 2010. A 90K job would cost 45K after vat and grant, the price of a new jeep or tractor that so many lads are in love with. I say the concrete will out last the jeep or tractor.

Planning is not the pain lads imagine a lot of county councils will allow fairy basic drawings especially for site lines etc. If you own the land it is as cheap longterm to do it right as to be using so called cheaper solutions. With the grant a 4 bay slatted unit will be around 20K and less if you can do barriers,walls etc youself. Unless you are an idiot there is no need to get ripped off as building is still not taken off.

I was thinking I'd have a 4 bay for 15K if I got the 60%. Great value. These schemes are going to run until 2020 are they not? Is this not just the first tranche of them.

yellow50HX

It's defo something I am thinking about.

Want to put in a loose straw bedded house for weaklings and dry cows across from the slatted house. Should be able to put it with out planning as it would be under 200sqm.

Can it be done in stages as I would like to stick I a silage slab and put in auto scrapers. Wouldn't be able to do all together so doing it in stages over the next 5 years would be great rather the. Having to wait for all the money at the end.

leoch

Wat if ur thinking of adding on to an existing shed to house a handling shoot and pens but the existing shed had no planning

Farmer Pudsey

yellow50HX wrote: »

It's defo something I am thinking about.

Want to put in a loose straw bedded house for weaklings and dry cows across from the slatted house. Should be able to put it with out planning as it would be under 200sqm.

Can it be done in stages as I would like to stick I a silage slab and put in auto scrapers. Wouldn't be able to do all together so doing it in stages over the next 5 years would be great rather the. Having to wait for all the money at the end.

As far as I know the limit is 80K over the five years for all farm development schemes. It will then depend on what is allowed in what scheme. Most schemes allow you 2 years to do the development. If you have a shed alread more than likely you will need planning. While there is an exemption on under 200 sq metres your overall sheds in the yard including the new development need to be under I think 400 sq Metres.

Not sure if I would put in a straw bedded shed for calving yes but for weanlings I go for slats and rubber matts as well as for dry cows. Straw is too expensive and if cattle are on a good diet is hard to keep straw under them. The final thing about straw is that it is you need a very big shed for it to be of any use.

yellow50HX

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

As far as I know the limit is 80K over the five years for all farm development schemes. It will then depend on what is allowed in what scheme. Most schemes allow you 2 years to do the development. If you have a shed alread more than likely you will need planning. While there is an exemption on under 200 sq metres your overall sheds in the yard including the new development need to be under I think 400 sq Metres.

Not sure if I would put in a straw bedded shed for calving yes but for weanlings I go for slats and rubber matts as well as for dry cows. Straw is too expensive and if cattle are on a good diet is hard to keep straw under them. The final thing about straw is that it is you need a very big shed for it to be of any use.

I'd be a bit worried about digging out a tank where I want to put the shed as it's where we used to have the old slurry tank. Had to drain the area as it was quite wet, would be a bit worried if we dug it out as it might flood. Also a loose shed would be more usable as if I don't have as many wealings or dry cows over winter I can use it for storage or other uses like separating cattle or having calves. Can't do that with slatted tank.

Slatted sheds are probably better long term if they are being used and housed fully each year, and the extra storage would be handy, but I do like spread having some dung to spread each year as I add to the soil. Always straw round these parts even if it can be a little expensive some years.

pat73

Would rubber mats for the slats be included in the this grant?

Deepsouthwest

Are cubicles and mats included, didn't see them on the list?

Qtec

Can I buy and do all the upgrading/work etc first and then apply for the grant or does it have to be approved before anything is done?

Parishlad

Qtec wrote: »

Can I buy and do all the upgrading/work etc first and then apply for the grant or does it have to be approved before anything is done?

You need approval first.

dodo mommy

Where can details of this scheme be got was away for a few days, it's news to me!

ganmo

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/

Jimlh86

What size slatted shed would I need? We keep 10 suckler cows and depending 10/15 bought in calves brought to beef. Never had winter housing around the place so I'd be almost literally looking to build a yard as such. Nothing fancy but done right. This grant could be the ideal time for it! Also any idea on cost? Thanks