PPS Number

rusty0010

Hi everyone new poster here.


My 2 Lithuanian friends are having trouble with finding a job in Ireland due to the new PPS system put in place as of December.
They cannot receive a PPS number due to not having a confirmation letter from an employer.
The deal is that they have both been offered jobs in Supermacs, yet Supermacs is asking for PPS numbers. My friends are both explaining to the managers in Supermacs, that they, the employer should provide a letter confirming the fact that they have been offered a job.
The only reply from the supervisors are "Come back when you have a pps number".



Is there anything that you would recommend to do?

I was thinking of contacting Supermacs main office and explain to them the situation and ask them to have a word with their managers in the branch.

Mrs OBumble

Or asking Citizen's Information to explain it to the local Supermacs managers.

antoinolachtnai

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Or asking Citizen's Information to explain it to the local Supermacs managers.

If they can't get any joy at all they should contact the office of a local MEP and see if they can suggest or mediate a solution.

Rosalind151

The people in the Department of Social Protection are very strict: they refuse to give PPS numbers unless you have a specific reason. Having a job/offer in Ireland is one such reason.

I needed a PPS number for a relative (born outside of Ireland) for a landlord (PRTB registration). But the DSP (and PRTB) say that PPS is not a *mandatory* field for a PRTB registration. I hope the landlord will be reasonable, but in any case, it seems that life with a PPS number is that bit easier!

I am wondering what are other "proper" reasons to have a PPS are (besides a job offer)? Like, for example, if you are getting private health insurance is there a requirement for a PPS?

sondagefaux

This is a clear breach of EU law.

The administration of social security numbers (PPS numbers are the Irish version) must not be done in such a way as to make it harder for citizens of other EU states to take up work in Ireland.

Tell them to get in touch with their nearest Europe Direct Information Centre and MEPs.

https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/services/contact-points_en

http://www.europarl.ie/en/your_meps.html

Or use the EU's online SOLVIT service:


http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/

Saysay19

It's stated on the website that written evidence is needed when applying for a PPSN.


http://m.welfare.ie/en/Pages/PPSN.aspx

sondagefaux wrote: »

This is a clear breach of EU law.

The administration of social security numbers (PPS numbers are the Irish version) must not be done in such a way as to make it harder for citizens of other EU states to take up work in Ireland.

Tell them to get in touch with their nearest Europe Direct Information Centre and MEPs.

https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/services/contact-points_en

http://www.europarl.ie/en/your_meps.html

Or use the EU's online SOLVIT service:


http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/

sondagefaux

Saysay19 wrote: »

It's stated on the website that written evidence is needed when applying for a PPSN.


http://m.welfare.ie/en/Pages/PPSN.aspx

No national regulations which in practice overturn the rights of EU citizens to seek or take up work in other member states can be implemented.

Clearly, it's currently impossible for them to get written confirmation of job offers to be granted PPS numbers, and they can't get job offers unless they're granted PPS numbers.

The onus is not on private employers, like Supermacs, to provide a solution to this Catch-22 situation, but on the Irish state authorities.

In the first instance, they should contact one of the EDICs I've listed, but they should also set out their situation through the SOLVIT website.

They can provide information in their home language and receive answers in their home language, even if they live in Ireland.

They have a legal right to seek work and/or work in Ireland and anything the Irish state does which denies these rights may be illegal under EU law.

From Citizens Information website:

As a citizen of the European Union (EU) you can go to another EU country to live, study, work or retire. Your rights in these areas are contained in the Internal Market law of the EU. They may be subject to certain conditions and limits. Member states of the EU/EEA are mainly responsible for implementing these rules and properly applying them. Occasionally, citizens and businesses of EU/EEA member states who move and conduct business between member states face problems from the possible misapplication of Internal Market law by member states. You may have the right to appeal these administrative decisions. Here we explain how to appeal these decisions through the SOLVIT service and the steps you need to take if you wish to make an appeal.

The SOLVIT service is an EU/EEA service that attempts to resolve problems faced by citizens and businesses caused by the misapplication of Internal Market law without the need for legal action. SOLVIT is a free, confidential service that is available to anyone throughout the EU who feels they have not been able to avail of their Internal Market rights because the administration in another member state is misapplying Internal Market law.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/european_government/eu_law/solvit.html

Ireland's SOLVIT centre contact details:

Dermot Kavanagh
Catherine Young
Internal Market Unit
Department of Jobs
Enterprise and Innovation
Kildare St
DUBLIN 2
Tel.: +353 1 631 24 54
Tel.: +353 1 631 23 85
solvit@djei.ie

http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/contact/index_en.htm#ie