Timber frame/log cabin query

GolfGary

My partner and I are looking at living in a log cabin(600sq ft minimum size).How much would it cost to buy/build all in? We will be connecting to an adjacent house for electricity, water and sewage.

Thanks

Wexford/Wicklow area

delfagio

Have you looked into planning permission for log cabin??

Local Co.Co's usually do not allow planning permission for log cabins.

Day Lewin

There is a whole "dude ranch" full of log cabins in Co. Leitrim so it must be possible somehow.

(Google "Drumcoura log cabin", for images, ideas)

As far as I know, there's about ten of them, in different sizes, though many have been sold off into private hands.
We stayed there once and the house was made of actual real logs.

iwillhtfu

Plenty of places sell them.

This place does all varities but they're more like a high end shed finish than a log .

-snip-

As for local area coco not giving planning that hardly makes sense there are numerous Log cabin type homes around me, so unless none of them have no planning then the above info is incorrect.

BryanF

Log cabins typically don't comply with building regulations

Separately they are typically frowned upon by planning depts in rural locations because we live in Ireland and not in America.

Gumbo

GolfGary wrote: »

My partner and I are looking at living in a log cabin(600sq ft minimum size).How much would it cost to buy/build all in? We will be connecting to an adjacent house for electricity, water and sewage.

Thanks

Wexford/Wicklow area

You need to ensure the "log cabin" can comply with Building Regulations.
You may like the idea of a log cabon, so maybe the new house can be designed in a way that looks like a log cabin.

katemarch wrote: »

There is a whole "dude ranch" full of log cabins in Co. Leitrim so it must be possible somehow.

(Google "Drumcoura log cabin", for images, ideas)

As far as I know, there's about ten of them, in different sizes, though many have been sold off into private hands.
We stayed there once and the house was made of actual real logs.

Probably holiday homes for short stay rental?

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Plenty of places sell them.

This place does all varities but they're more like a high end shed finish than a log .

-snip-

As for local area coco not giving planning that hardly makes sense there are numerous Log cabin type homes around me, so unless none of them have no planning then the above info is incorrect.

Load sof places sell them, as domestic garden rooms or sheds, no houses! Ask a log cabin supplier how the meet current building regulations and who does the BEr certificate for it once on site. Ask him who signs of on the build

iwillhtfu

BryanF wrote: »

we live in Ireland and not in America.

You do realise that log cabins aren't solely limited to America. right?

As for my post they weren't ads they were links to suppliers which I have no affiliation with.

As for ber etc and signing off on said log cabin.

OP clearly stated it would be linked to original dwelling for power/water/sewage so essentially it is a garden house or extension. no?

delfagio

Regarding the planning permission, I never said they are not allowed, merely to check with the Co.Co as a lot of councils do not approve of them for planning permission.

This is because as Bryan F states, they usually do not comply with building regulations, not just Part L but also with disabled requirements, access and escape and fire etc. Typically log cabins would be associated with other countries such as America, Netherlands, Switzerland etc, usually they would not be typical in Ireland.

Note, if you make a log cabin habitable, it is no longer a shed etc. If you don't have planning permission approved for it then it could not be legally occupied.

Same as a garage, if a garage for storage, car etc was to be converted to a business or granny flat this would require planning permission.

Same principle for a log cabin changing from a shed to a habitable house

BryanF

iwillhtfu wrote: »

1. You do realise that log cabins aren't solely limited to America. right?

2. As for my post they weren't ads they were links to suppliers which I have no affiliation with.

3. As for ber etc and signing off on said log cabin.

4. OP clearly stated it would be linked to original dwelling for power/water/sewage so essentially it is a garden house or extension. no?

1. Yes,but my point is they have no place in the Irish vernacular
2. Please read the forum charter
3. Good luck
4. no - not necessarily

GolfGary

Thanks for all the input. However I'm just looking for help on costs. I won't need it signed off or the coco to approve. I'm ok in that dept.

Would it be cheaper to buy pre planned off supplier or build own design from scratch?

Have a budget of around 25-30k

Thanks

Gumbo

GolfGary wrote: »

Thanks for all the input. However I'm just looking for help on costs. I won't need it signed off or the coco to approve. I'm ok in that dept.

Would it be cheaper to buy pre planned off supplier or build own design from scratch?

Have a budget of around 25-30k

Thanks

60 Sq. M structure, you will need, planning and for it to be signed off and building control involvement.

Do you mind answering why you think you won't need it signed off or why you won't have coco involvement?

iwillhtfu

BryanF wrote: »

1. Yes,but my point is they have no place in the Irish vernacular

Why? According to whom?

Loads of thrown together timer frame houses and apartments seem to get by planning no problem. I fail to see how a log cabin would be any less aesthetically pleasing.

BryanF

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Why? According to whom?

Loads of thrown together timer frame houses and apartments seem to get by planning no problem. I fail to see how a log cabin would be any less aesthetically pleasing.

Apply for planning. And the best of luck to you.

GolfGary

@kceire

I am in a secluded area and will have no neighbours around me to object.

So primarily I am looking at construction costs, not legal costs.

Any advice on this? I see that anything over 25m sq requires PP. Thanks for the advice

BryanF

GolfGary wrote: »

@kceire

I am in a secluded area and will have no neighbours around me to object.

So primarily I am looking at construction costs, not legal costs.

Any advice on this? I see that anything over 25m sq requires PP. Thanks for the advice

What are you planning on building? Planng exemptions range up to 40m2 for a domestic extension subject to certain conditions

GolfGary

I'm planning on building a 60m sq log cabin/timber frame. My understanding is it will require PP but I intended on 'bypassing' and worry only about construction costs.

Any advice on construction costs?

Gumbo

GolfGary wrote: »

I'm planning on building a 60m sq log cabin/timber frame. My understanding is it will require PP but I intended on 'bypassing' and worry only about construction costs.

Any advice on construction costs?

You cannot legally by pass the planning process.

Gumbo

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Why? According to whom?

Loads of thrown together timer frame houses and apartments seem to get by planning no problem. I fail to see how a log cabin would be any less aesthetically pleasing.

A timber framed building is substantially different to a log cabin.
If you knew about building regulations, you would understand why a log cabin in the traditional sense cannot be built.

GolfGary

kceire wrote:

You cannot legally by pass the planning process.

There is little to no risk of being caught.


Have you any advice on construction costs?

I'm more concerned about getting advise about those
Thanks

Gumbo

GolfGary wrote: »

There is little to no risk of being caught.


Have you any advice on construction costs?

I'm more concerned about getting advise about those
Thanks

Ring three suppliers and go with the best quote.

BryanF

GolfGary wrote: »

There is little to no risk of being caught.


Have you any advice on construction costs?

I'm more concerned about getting advise about those
Thanks

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