The value of cattle ?

simonhm

I reared 10 AAX calves. They were born in March and April. They are eating grass and plenty of meal. What would they be worth. Ive a lad comming to look at them this evening and im wondering will I sell them to him as prices of call will worsen next year according to the farming independent

CloughCasey1

simonhm wrote: »

I reared 10 AAX calves. They were born in March and April. They are eating grass and plenty of meal. What would they be worth. Ive a lad comming to look at them this evening and im wondering will I sell them to him as prices of call will worsen next year according to the farming independent

Usually about 350 reared but you may get 430 with the good prices. If you keep the attitude that the world is going to end next year he'll smell blood and you'll end up parting with them at the 380!

I said

I'll give ya 300 and you'll be glad to get it.
With that attitude you'll be rode sideways sell for what ya can get now not what some paper is saying may or may not happen down the line.

Bullocks

With the prices at the minute I would be inclined to bring them for a spin to the mart rather than sell at home . At least there will be more than one lad putting his price on them and you might be pleasantly surprised, if not you can bring them home again

Arrow in the Knee

I'd sell in the mart.

Buyers/dealers will try to ride you on price in the field.

At least when you go to the mart your getting other bidders and a cheque from the mart.

Reggie.

simonhm wrote: »

I reared 10 AAX calves. They were born in March and April. They are eating grass and plenty of meal. What would they be worth. Ive a lad comming to look at them this evening and im wondering will I sell them to him as prices of call will worsen next year according to the farming independent

If they are of good quality and around 200 kg you could get upto 500 for them in the mart

Kovu

I'd be another vote for the mart. A lad who buys cattle can spot somebody who's even the smallest bit unsure about the cattle business and will know how to bargain you down by talking the talk about doom and gloom, torrentialk weather next week, pointing out faults that don't exist and have you expecting the worst for years to come. You'll be left wondering why you shook hands at a fraction of the price you wanted!

Unless you're a shrewd character yourself and can take them on, you need to be able to bargain as hard as the best of them if he's a dealer type. Of course if he's a friend or a local farmer, you'd have a better chance of a fairer deal.

But for the love of God, don't say to him that you think prices will worsen next year and you want them sold!

CloughCasey1

Reggie. wrote: »

If they are of good quality and around 200 kg you could get upto 500 for them in the mart

Which is absolute madness but thank god its a sellers market (this week anyway)

Seen 285KG AAX blks making 845 in mart. NARROWBACKS from last spring.

Sam Kade

Reggie. wrote: »

If they are of good quality and around 200 kg you could get upto 500 for them in the mart

March-April born angus bucket reared would be nearer 100-140kg at this stage.

lakill Farm

simonhm wrote: »

I reared 10 AAX calves. They were born in March and April. They are eating grass and plenty of meal. What would they be worth. Ive a lad comming to look at them this evening and im wondering will I sell them to him as prices of call will worsen next year according to the farming independent

Calculate how much it has cost you to het them the 3 or 4 months.
*Milk
*meal
*straw & hay
*labour
*Water, esb & telephone
*buckets, feeders, shed , gates - wear and tear.
*powerwashing and shreading dung
*grass (including fencing, topping, fert&/slurry)
*mortality
*vet
*transportation

them sort of calves are ideal for some lads. no work, open the trailer and that's it

CloughCasey1

If you can winter them keep them until March and if there is a good supply of grass things should still be in good order until then. The winter will put a good frame on them if you have decent silage and grain meal.

lakill Farm

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

If you can winter them keep them until March and if there is a good supply of grass things should still be in good order until then. The winter will put a good frame on them if you have decent silage and grain meal.

I fully agree or drop them up to me and ill give you €250 a head and you can give me a luck penny

Reggie.

lakill Farm wrote: »

I fully agree or drop them up to me and ill give you €250 a head and you can give me a luck penny

Stay away from that lad...pure gangster

kowtow

Since we're pricing calves does anyone want to guess a weight / price for this fella?. Born last September.

Reggie.

kowtow wrote: »

Since we're pricing calves does anyone want to guess a weight / price for this fella?. Born last September.

No pic showing kowtow

CloughCasey1

Reggie. wrote: »

No pic showing kowtow

I'll guess anyway....402kg €1121

kowtow

Reggie. wrote:

No pic showing kowtow

Just realised can't do it from phone
Will edit in office shortly. .

Reggie.

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I'll guess anyway....402kg €1121

I'd say your right on the money there

kowtow

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd say your right on the money there

I'd allow a small discount for the non-standard headgear...

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CloughCasey1

kowtow wrote: »

I'd allow a small discount for the non-standard headgear...

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I'm holding with my guess

Bullocks

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I'm holding with my guess

I'll go with 475 kg

kowtow

Didn't weigh him in the end but did sell him - for an embarrassingly low price - along with a few others not quite as nice.

His mother (who is behind him in the photo) went straight into the parlour. 15 litres a day still, ten months into the lactation.

Arrow in the Knee

kowtow wrote: »

Didn't weigh him in the end but did sell him - for an embarrassingly low price - along with a few others not quite as nice.

Did you not learn anything from this thread?

tanko

The mart was the place for that lad.

kowtow

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

Did you not learn anything from this thread?

Yes.

On reflection, that I am second only to the CAP system in propping up the profits of beef finishers in Munster.

Farmer Pudsey

kowtow wrote: »

Didn't weigh him in the end but did sell him - for an embarrassingly low price - along with a few others not quite as nice.

His mother (who is behind him in the photo) went straight into the parlour. 15 litres a day still, ten months into the lactation.

kowtow wrote: »

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tanko wrote: »

The mart was the place for that lad.

Hard to judge weight from a photo. However looks a big framed bullock ( or is that a pair of liathroidi I see in the photo). With horns as well I say about 1.7/kg if a bull and 1.85/kg if a bullock. He has not got the flesh to weigh some of the weights mentioned above he may well have been a little shy of 400kgs. 650-700 euro??????. However I have not being in a mart in 6 months.

Would not agree about the mart either horns are a months weight if he was skulled.

larrymiller

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Hard to judge weight from a photo. However looks a big framed bullock ( or is that a pair of liathroidi I see in the photo). With horns as well I say about 1.7/kg if a bull and 1.85/kg if a bullock. He has not got the flesh to weigh some of the weights mentioned above he may well have been a little shy of 400kgs. 650-700 euro??????. However I have not being in a mart in 6 months.

Would not agree about the mart either horns are a months weight if he was skulled.

A months weight? I didn't think it would be that much myself. You wouldn't want to be doing many

Farmer Pudsey

larrymiller wrote: »

A months weight? I didn't think it would be that much myself. You wouldn't want to be doing many

Depend on how much of the horn is taken off but for a full skulling job I think it takes a month for them to recover.

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Hard to judge weight from a photo. However looks a big framed bullock ( or is that a pair of liathroidi I see in the photo). With horns as well I say about 1.7/kg if a bull and 1.85/kg if a bullock. He has not got the flesh to weigh some of the weights mentioned above he may well have been a little shy of 400kgs. 650-700 euro??????. However I have not being in a mart in 6 months.

Would not agree about the mart either horns are a months weight if he was skulled.

Just saw not he is september '14. He could be as low as 300kgs and if that low 550 euro.

tanko

What have the horns got to do with anything. I saw at least 20 bullocks and weanlings sold in my local mart on Tuesday, the buyers didn't seem to mind.
AFAIK theres no problem selling cattle with horns in marts anymore. I accept it doesn't help the price tho.

In the marts at the moment there's lots of competition between buyers and you are guaranteed payment for your animals.

Bullocks

tanko wrote: »

What have the horns got to do with anything. I saw at least 20 bullocks and weanlings sold in my local mart on Tuesday, the buyers didn't seem to mind.
AFAIK theres no problem selling cattle with horns in marts anymore. I accept it doesn't help the price tho.

In the marts at the moment there's lots of competition between buyers and you are guaranteed payment for your animals.

I had a weanlin sent home form the mart a few weeks ago that had small horns .

Kevhog1988

kowtow wrote: »

Didn't weigh him in the end but did sell him - for an embarrassingly low price - along with a few others not quite as nice.

His mother (who is behind him in the photo) went straight into the parlour. 15 litres a day still, ten months into the lactation.

Why sell cheap? Your mad!! Theres money to be made in the mart. I think reggie said he had a good day lately

tanko

Bullocks wrote: »

I had a weanlin sent home form the mart a few weeks ago that had small horns .

Was it a department lad did that? I thought that rule had changed. Anything seems to be ok in my local mart.

CloughCasey1

Bullocks wrote: »

I had a weanlin sent home form the mart a few weeks ago that had small horns .

Maam cross?

Reggie.

tanko wrote: »

The mart was the place for that lad.

+1

Farmer Pudsey

Kowtow

What weight do you think he was and how much did you sell him for. I know he went in a job lot but invidually valuing the job lot what did he go for. I often see lads pricing a bunch of cattle and ignoring the value of the 2-3 smaller lads.

Cavanjack

However I have not being in a mart in 6 months.

Would not agree about the mart either horns are a months weight if he was skulled.[/quote]

6 months? You dissapoint me pudsey! I had you down for a 3 a week man.

Bullocks

tanko wrote: »

Was it a department lad did that? I thought that rule had changed. Anything seems to be ok in my local mart.

I wasn't there but i presume it was

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Maam cross?

Yup