Considering a Toyota Auris Hybrid - advice please

konline

Hello,
Considering a new Toyota Auris Hybrid, would appreciate if someone could share their experience with this car.
I have initially thought about fully EV, Nissan Leaf, but not sure if it keeps up its resale value down the line. So now looking in to Hybrid car and want to get some feedback from the people who own Auris Hybrid car or has information.

Thanks in advance.

cros13

konline wrote: »

Hello,
Considering a new Toyota Auris Hybrid, would appreciate if someone could share their experience with this car.
I have initially thought about fully EV, Nissan Leaf, but not sure if it keeps up its resale value down the line. So now looking in to Hybrid car and want to get some feedback from the people who own Auris Hybrid car or has information.

Thanks in advance.

The Leaf has retained a very strong resale value. 2010 Leafs are still selling for €12-13k. I wouldn't expect that to change even when the new Leaf mk2 and Tesla Model 3 hit the road in 2017 purely because of limited 2nd hand stock and a larger number of buyers in the market as EV awareness grows.

I agree above , the Leaf is also much cheaper to run than any Hybrid and will need next to no maintenance in it's life and the battery in the late 2013 + seems to be much more durable than the 2011-late 2013.

The leaf is holding it's value very well and is to be updated in the Autumn with a longer range battery for up to about 160-180 kms range.

If you compare the hybrid yaris, it's costs 27K V what, 25,500 for the SV Leaf ?, imo the Leaf is absolutely without doubt a no brainer and shows how dramatically overpriced the Yaris hybrid is, Toyota are really taking the Mick still charging ridiculous money for hybrids with tiny old skool batteries ! They're really very far behind in EV's because they spent far too much on Hydrogen cars.

If the Leaf's 70-90 odd mile range is good enough for your daily needs then the fast charger network can take care of the longer trips if they're not frequent. I manage to do 134 Kms a day easily with a 10 min fast charge but I get home with about 20-25% battery enough for about 25-30 Kms.

ei9go

A family member has a 2012 T Spirit Auris Hybrid.

His issues are that it doesn't do anywhere near the claimed MPG either in city or motorway driving.

There is no doubt that if your mileage is suitable, a diesel will do much better mpg.

It is expensive to insure from all insurers because of the 1.8L engine.

Oh silly me, I mentioned Yaris but was in fact looking up the Auris price.

I used to get 60 mpg per tank from the 2007 MK II Prius, a really great car, I've no doubt I could get more from an Auris hybrid.

I still would never go back to anything with an engine, Toyota hybrids are seriously over priced when you consider the full electric leaf/Zoe to be around the same price and far, far cheaper to run.

Op what's your daily mileage ?

ei9go

ei9go wrote: »

A family member has a 2012 T Spirit Auris Hybrid.

His issues are that it doesn't do anywhere near the claimed MPG either in city or motorway driving.

There is no doubt that if your mileage is suitable, a diesel will do much better mpg.

It is expensive to insure from all insurers because of the 1.8L engine.

See this is the problem, people reset the trip computer before a trip be it city or longer distance and this is not an an accurate way to tell what you're getting at all.

You need to reset the trip computer after you fill up a full tank only or do the brim to brim calculations.

If I were to go by resetting the trip computer in the prius then some very small favourable trips I got could have been 80+ mpg and some 30 but the overall average per tank was 60 mpg winter and 64 mpg summer.

konline

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Oh silly me, I mentioned Yaris but was in fact looking up the Auris price.

I used to get 60 mpg per tank from the 2007 MK II Prius, a really great car, I've no doubt I could get more from an Auris hybrid.

I still would never go back to anything with an engine, Toyota hybrids are seriously over priced when you consider the full electric leaf/Zoe to be around the same price and far, far cheaper to run.

Op what's your daily mileage ?

Hi, My mileage would be 50 to 75 km during school days and occasionally 250km during weekend.

konline

konline wrote: »

Hi, My mileage would be 50 to 75 km during school days and occasionally 250km during weekend.

That's well in reach of the Current Leaf, you may even get a 2013-14 SV-SVE leaf at a good price saving a lot more.

Would you pay via pcp or bank loan ? do you change every 3 years or so ? PCP is really good for this.

The 250 Kms would mean fast charging though at the weekends, probably 2 fast charges for 250 kms . Though this probably wouldn't all be in one day ? you might stop in town for food or shopping where there are usually street chargers which I say to people to get the 6.6 Kw charger in the Leaf for faster charging while out and about rather than always have to find a fast charger, it costs 900 Euro more but well worth it imo.

The Renault Zoe is the best car for charging in Ireland , it will charge 0-100 % in 1 hr 30 mins from a standard street charger though it will usually take less because you'll never arrive with 0% charge.

I Went to Naas last Week or the one before and arrived at a standard street charge point with 25% charge, 2 hrs 20 mins later it was fully charged. Though in reality it could have got to 90-95% in 2 hours because the last part takes a lot longer. With the standard charger in the Leaf (3.3 Kw) it would have take 4 hrs 40 mins to reach the came charge so I can't emphasise enough the value of standard street charging and the 6.6 makes a huge difference.

Anyway go to the E-cars website and go to the charge point map and use the filter at the top and use the filter to filter the standard chargers (green on the map) and then the fast chargers blue on the map).

If buying new then maybe hold out for the longer range leaf due in a few months.

konline

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That's well in reach of the Current Leaf, you may even get a 2013-14 SV-SVE leaf at a good price saving a lot more.

Would you pay via pcp or bank loan ? do you change every 3 years or so ? PCP is really good for this.

The 250 Kms would mean fast charging though at the weekends, probably 2 fast charges for 250 kms . Though this probably wouldn't all be in one day ? you might stop in town for food or shopping where there are usually street chargers which I say to people to get the 6.6 Kw charger in the Leaf for faster charging while out and about rather than always have to find a fast charger, it costs 900 Euro more but well worth it imo.

The Renault Zoe is the best car for charging in Ireland , it will charge 0-100 % in 1 hr 30 mins from a standard street charger though it will usually take less because you'll never arrive with 0% charge.

I Went to Naas last Week or the one before and arrived at a standard street charge point with 25% charge, 2 hrs 20 mins later it was fully charged. Though in reality it could have got to 90-95% in 2 hours because the last part takes a lot longer. With the standard charger in the Leaf (3.3 Kw) it would have take 4 hrs 40 mins to reach the came charge so I can't emphasise enough the value of standard street charging and the 6.6 makes a huge difference.

Anyway go to the E-cars website and go to the charge point map and use the filter at the top and use the filter to filter the standard chargers (green on the map) and then the fast chargers blue on the map).

If buying new then maybe hold out for the longer range leaf due in a few months.

Thank you very much for sharing so much information.
Yes, I am yet to decide whether to buy a new one this month or wait for a couple of months. But now there's a good trade in offer from Nissan and I am not sure if the offer continues till we get the new range Leaf.

cros13

konline wrote: »

But now there's a good trade in offer from Nissan and I am not sure if the offer continues till we get the new range Leaf.

Nope. Ends the end of this month. No way they'll budge a single euro from the RRP of the refreshed Leaf, the margin on the Leaf is razor thin.

No there is no room to haggle on the RRP on the Leaf, so if you're getting a deal now take it.

I would say the extra range is worth waiting for if you think you'll need it a lot other than that the fast chargers and standard street charge points will make up the rest.

You just got to think if you can live with charging on the 250 Km trips, the first charge will easily take you 100-130 kms and each fast charge to 80% another 80-100 Kms this is at 100-110 Kph. This is at cooler temps, warmer weather will easily bump that up 20K.

On a trip to Wexford back in April when it was about 18 degrees I could have got 150 Kms quiet possibly 160 kms this was at 60-100 Kph on B and C roads.

Hybrid cars are miles better to drive than any diesel of similar power/size but electric is leaps and bounds better than any diesel/hybrid and after driving Electric now the last 15,000 Kms I honestly got to say that ICE tech feels really bad and old.

ei9go

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See this is the problem, people reset the trip computer before a trip be it city or longer distance and this is not an an accurate way to tell what you're getting at all.

You need to reset the trip computer after you fill up a full tank only or do the brim to brim calculations.

If I were to go by resetting the trip computer in the prius then some very small favourable trips I got could have been 80+ mpg and some 30 but the overall average per tank was 60 mpg winter and 64 mpg summer.

Actually, he extremely accurate records in a spreadsheet for the life of car and it does not do the mpg claimed or anything even near it.

ei9go

ei9go wrote: »

Actually, he extremely accurate records in a spreadsheet for the life of car and it does not do the mpg claimed or anything even near it.

Maybe he does and I'm not trying to be a smart ass but it's the tank average and not trip that matters, so he needs to do the brim to brim to brim calculation if he hasn't already or not reset the trip computer at all for the long term average.

If I got 60-64 mpg in a MK II I bet I could get more in the Auris hybrid with more modern tech.

There are tips and tricks in driving a hybrid though to maximise economy which I would have posted here many times.

My sisters 2008 1.6 90 HP HDI deasel Manual averages 58 mpg per tank and I averaged 60-64 in a 2007 petrol Hybrid automatic, bigger car and 20 more HP. I thought that was pretty damn good !!!

peposhi

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe he does and I'm not trying to be a smart ass but it's the tank average and not trip that matters, so he needs to do the brim to brim to brim calculation if he hasn't already or not reset the trip computer at all for the long term average.

If I got 60-64 mpg in a MK II I bet I could get more in the Auris hybrid with more modern tech.

There are tips and tricks in driving a hybrid though to maximise economy which I would have posted here many times.

My sisters 2008 1.6 90 HP HDI deasel Manual averages 58 mpg per tank and I averaged 60-64 in a 2007 petrol Hybrid automatic, bigger car and 20 more HP. I thought that was pretty damn good !!!

How did you manage that? ;)With your EV driving style now :):)

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

How did you manage that? ;)With your EV driving style now :):)

TBH I didn't drive the Prius slow I just took full advantage of the hybrid system on slower roads and in traffic.

I don't drive the leaf easy either and have more fun because of all that instant torque, not worried about fuel economy , more worried now how long I want to spend on the fast charger but the fuel is free so not too bothered about fast charging either.

peposhi

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TBH I didn't drive the Prius slow I just took full advantage of the hybrid system on slower roads and in traffic.

I don't drive the leaf easy either and have more fun because of all that instant torque, not worried about fuel economy , more worried now how long I want to spend on the fast charger but the fuel is free so not too bothered about fast charging either.

I was only messing

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

I was only messing

Ye did cause me to blabber on, you know there are consequences for your actions !

September1

I usually do not get above 50mpg in Prius Gen3

September1

September1 wrote: »

I usually do not get above 50mpg in Prius Gen3

50 ??? I never got as low as 50 mpg in the MK II . Someone give me a MK III for a week or two !

ei9go

September1 wrote: »

I usually do not get above 50mpg in Prius Gen3

You won't get more in the Auris either.

US Government figures: Average 48.7mpg

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31767

now you have to allow an extra .6L in an imperial gallon

ei9go

ei9go wrote: »

You won't get more in the Auris either.

US Government figures: Average 48.7mpg

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31767

now you have to allow an extra .6L in an imperial gallon

That's 57.6 mpg IMP !

I wouldn't class that as bad form a petrol automatic really. Especially when you consider there are not many manual diesels capable of more than this in reality.

I still bet I could beat 60 mpg per tank in the Auris and MK III prius.

Toyota are saying the engine in the MK IV will be more efficient than a diesel.

The joys of being fully electric , I don't have to worry about saving fuel. I would hate to have to put 50-60 Euro's worth of fuel in any car again a week that's about 2,000-2,500 miles in a Leaf on night rate leccy !!!

galwaytt

konline wrote: »

Hello,
Considering a new Toyota Auris Hybrid, would appreciate if someone could share their experience with this car.
I have initially thought about fully EV, Nissan Leaf, but not sure if it keeps up its resale value down the line. So now looking in to Hybrid car and want to get some feedback from the people who own Auris Hybrid car or has information.

Thanks in advance.

Have a read of this then : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82907263



And, ironically, petrol head and all as I am, I'm now looking for a car and looking at Hybrids for the SO. So far, she is completely unconvinced. There again, I'm fed up repairing ICE cars. Especially the DD (the 911 not so much !!). The injection pump is gone in our diesel and we're looking at a 3500 repair bill - for a 10yr old, €951/pa tax car ??

Anyone got any experience of premium hybrid, e.g. Lexus ?

galwaytt

September1 wrote: »

I usually do not get above 50mpg in Prius Gen3

...not knowing for sure, but we've a guy at work who struggles to get 43mpg out of a new Skoda Ocatavia - I struggle to get below 50mpg in it, so the is a driver component to it.

feargale

konline wrote: »

Hello,
Considering a new Toyota Auris Hybrid, would appreciate if someone could share their experience with this car.
I have initially thought about fully EV, Nissan Leaf, but not sure if it keeps up its resale value down the line. So now looking in to Hybrid car and want to get some feedback from the people who own Auris Hybrid car or has information.

Thanks in advance.

Hi. I'm thinking of going hybrid. Can you give us an update? Thanks.