Plumbing Plans

Shocko64

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me. I have an ongoing leak from my shower/ en suite down through my sitting room ceiling. No water visible under bath or on tiles. I'm trying to locate the plumbing plans of my house so that I can see the pipe layout. Have contacted the builders and they maintain that there are no plans. Can anyone offer any advice - where to go from here? Thanks.

Sleeper12

I doubt if there are plumbing plans.

You said it's leaking from the shower to the downstairs. Is there just a wet stain on the ceiling or is it leaking leaking? Is it dripping all the time downstairs? If not then it's much more likely the bath or tiles are at fault.

Dtp1979

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I doubt if there are plumbing plans.

You said it's leaking from the shower to the downstairs. Is there just a wet stain on the ceiling or is it leaking leaking? Is it dripping all the time downstairs? If not then it's much more likely the bath or tiles are at fault.

+1.
9/10 times its the seal between the tiles and shower tray that's at fault.

Shocko64

Shocko64 wrote: »

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me. I have an ongoing leak from my shower/ en suite down through my sitting room ceiling. No water visible under bath or on tiles. I'm trying to locate the plumbing plans of my house so that I can see the pipe layout. Have contacted the builders and they maintain that there are no plans. Can anyone offer any advice - where to go from here? Thanks.

Thanks for reply. It's leaking as in stains all over sitting room ceiling but not every time we use it and occasionally water on the sitting room floor. We've tried re-sealing etc, had several plumbers out to look at it. Just want to exhaust all options before punching a hole in ceiling.

agusta

Shocko64 wrote: »

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me. I have an ongoing leak from my shower/ en suite down through my sitting room ceiling. No water visible under bath or on tiles. I'm trying to locate the plumbing plans of my house so that I can see the pipe layout. Have contacted the builders and they maintain that there are no plans. Can anyone offer any advice - where to go from here? Thanks.[/QUOTE
Can you post a close up picture of the seal in the shower tray and where the seal meets the shower door.

Shocko64

Sorry it won't let me post photos yet as I'm only new-frustrating! There is definitely some water getting out at side of door but I've lifted the floor tiles and there's no damp patches underneath or under bath or shower. We've re-sealed both bath and shower several times, have had several plumbers out to look at it but none been able to sort it. Both my neighbours on either side have same problem. A friend suggested lifting shower tray and wall tiles but don't want to wreck the whole bathroom if I don't have to. Just wondering whether I should call in a leak specialist or is that a waste of money? Need to sort it though as sitting room getting destroyed. Thanks, Ciara.

agusta

Shocko64 wrote: »

Sorry it won't let me post photos yet as I'm only new-frustrating! There is definitely some water getting out at side of door but I've lifted the floor tiles and there's no damp patches underneath or under bath or shower. We've re-sealed both bath and shower several times, have had several plumbers out to look at it but none been able to sort it. Both my neighbours on either side have same problem. A friend suggested lifting shower tray and wall tiles but don't want to wreck the whole bathroom if I don't have to. Just wondering whether I should call in a leak specialist or is that a waste of money? Need to sort it though as sitting room getting destroyed. Thanks, Ciara.

My opinion is,If there is water getting out the side of door,it is also getting behind the tray,you would not see this.
If you want to rule out the plumbing
a/dont use shower for a week or more and see if the ceiling dries
b/also pour water in the waste trap only of the shower tray a good few times during the week.[this will test the waste trap]
If the ceiling remains dry it is not a plumbing issue
I think you have a sealing issue between the shower tray and tiles,
If this is the case,The proper fix would be
a/remove shower door
b/remove the bottom row of tiles above shower tray
c/fit pro 25 sealux seal with sealux silicone
d/ refit bottom row of tiles
c/refit door ensuring the door is well sealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w636M5yMm90

If its a seal issue you should be contacting a very competent tiler,

rightjob!

Good advice above but i would not fit a sealux strip,classi seal or aqua strap is a far better job.

your best bet is to take the bottom row of tiles off,take the shower tray out fit the classi seal,replace the tiles,seal the tray when the doors are off and then fit the shower door again.

Sleeper12

rightjob! wrote:

your best bet is to take the bottom row of tiles off,take the shower tray out fit the classi seal,replace the tiles,seal the tray when the doors are off and then fit the shower door again.

rightjob! wrote:

Good advice above but i would not fit a sealux strip,classi seal or aqua strap is a far better job.

Totally agree. Agustas advice is spot on except aqua strap, classi seal or other products similar are far superior to sealux. Sealux was OK in its day but technology has moved on. Classi seal is a life time job. It's flexible and allows for movement in the shower tray or bath.

agusta

Sealux seal is flexible and allows for movement.It is also 100 percent foolproof.I dont know anyone who would even think about taking out a shower tray to fit a classic seal,why,The risk of damaging the tray and the excessive extra cost.
Also a classic seal is not quite foolproof.They are only as good as the guy tiling after it is fitted and most people dont tile correctly over it

rightjob!

agusta wrote: »

Sealux seal is flexible and allows for movement.It is also 100 percent foolproof.I dont know anyone who would even think about taking out a shower tray to fit a classic seal,why,The risk of damaging the tray and the excessive extra cost.
Also a classic seal is not quite foolproof.They are only as good as the guy tiling after it is fitted and most people dont tile correctly over it

The classi seal is a job that will last a lifetime,i have seen so many sealux seals leaking.

on a new install would you pick classi seal or a sealux seal?

agusta

rightjob! wrote: »

The classi seal is a job that will last a lifetime,i have seen so many sealux seals leaking.

on a new install would you pick classi seal or a sealux seal?[/QUOTE
Any sealux seal that leaks was incorrecty fitted.The tray must be cleaned with methylated spirits first.Most tilers spare the silicone and this is one of the main reasons for failure.
Also a bead of sealux silicone should be applied to the tray as well as filling the cavity in the seal.For a 900 mm shower tray i would use a 1 and a 1/2 tube of sealux,

On a new install my first choice would be a shower tray with build in upstands,2nd sealux seal,3rd choice would be classic seal

I guess maybe i should be fitting more classic seals but i havent had a sealux seal +sealux silicone fail yet so im slow to change
Also,most people dont realise the the two ends of the classic seal have to be sealed to the tile with silicone or tex 7 during the tiling process

rightjob!

agusta wrote: »

rightjob! wrote: »

The classi seal is a job that will last a lifetime,i have seen so many sealux seals leaking.

on a new install would you pick classi seal or a sealux seal?[/QUOTE
Any sealux seal that leaks was incorrecty fitted.The tray must be cleaned with methylated spirits first.Most tilers spare the silicone and this is one of the main reasons for failure.
Also a bead of sealux silicone should be applied to the tray as well as filling the cavity in the seal.For a 900 mm shower tray i would use a 1 and a 1/2 tube of sealux,

On a new install my first choice would be a shower tray with build in upstands,2nd sealux seal,3rd choice would be classic seal

I guess maybe i should be fitting more classic seals but i havent had a sealux seal +sealux silicone fail yet so im slow to change
Also,most people dont realise the the two ends of the classic seal have to be sealed to the tile with silicone or tex 7 during the tiling process

i know where your coming from and different people like using different methods and brands but the classi seal really is far superior and its near impossible to fit wrong once u follow the instructions.

Thats my opinion.