Skoda Octavia - which diesel engine

dman33

Hi

Looking to buy a new Skoda Octavia, however the old 1.6TDI 105 bhp has now been replaced by 90bhp & 110bhp...

I found the 90bhp a little dead especially on the motorway, however the 110 version isn't available on 0% PCP, only 3.9%, which amazing makes the 2.0 TDI 150bhp cheaper to get because it's 0% PCP.

I took the 2.0 TDI version out for a spin and found it very nice to drive...

Has anyone got one and how have the found it? Do the think it's worth the extra money compared to the 1.6 90 bhp version?

All feedback much appreciated...

MuppetCheck

The 2 litre is a much stronger engine and with little penalty in terms of running costs in the real world.

90bhp is simply too little for a car with the Octavias bulk.

Ronin247

I have been looking at the Octavio in a 1.6 and a friend who has one in the 90 (86?) bhp said it is under powered and to avoid. That is probably why they are giving 0% to try and shift them. He had the 105bhp before and was very happy with it. Also the Active model is to be avoided as the seats are not comfortable. I am thinking of a 141 ambition for 18-20k or a Volkswagen Passat or Jetta

bazz26

The 2.0 litre is a no brainer really.

dman33

Yeah that's what I thought i.e. the 2.0 on the 0% PCP, but wondering was there something I was missing...

finalfurlong

have the 1.6 105bhp and it is fine for general day to day but is strained enough at motor way speed.I definitely would avoid the 90bhp and i would take the 2 lire assuming it is 6 speed ,the lack of a 6th gear in the 1.6 is definitely a loss on long trips

small famer

avoid the 2.0 liter diesel engine. These engines are trouble in the Audi and VW, I presume its the same engine in the Skoda.

colm_mcm

There are different 2.0 engines. Mainly you have the older PD engines from years ago -which didn't have a great rep in comparison to the 1.9 -and then you have the newer Common rail engines.

Your comment does t really stack up.

small famer

please elaborate i would love to hear that the new common rail 2.0 is a good engine.

bazz26

small famer wrote: »

please elaborate i would love to hear that the new common rail 2.0 is a good engine.

It might help if you tell us which engine you are talking about as there have been many different variants of the 2.0 CR engines since 2008.

ShadowHearth

Just from my own little research:
Vag 2.0 lump that was in audis and vws up to 08 ( I think, but not sure), was a nightmare due to oil pump issues and balancer shafts. It was a massive design flaw, but they never admitted. It was ironed out on later models. The ossie went so deep, that third party companies made kits do replace chain driven mechanism to gear mechanism.

I don't know much about what modifications skoda did to their engines, but I never heard any major issues with their 2.0 engine outside of usual pdf and egr, which is most likely caused by people who bought diesels to drive 5K miles per year.

As for simple "which engine is better in Octavia", then I would only go for 2.0 with 150hp and ideally with 2.0 184hp. The car is big and heavy, it needs more then 100hp to make it move around. I would bet overtaking in 1.6 Octavia is adventure on its own.

colm_mcm

The oil pump issue only affected engines mounted longditudinaly AFAIK.

small famer

i agree with ShadowHearth, the octavia is too heavy, the 1.6tdi 90hp isn't enough power for overtaking with comfort and motorway driving. Similarly I wouldn't be attracted to the 1.6tdi 110hp either due to the fact, that in this configuration of the 1.6tdi, to get 110hp, they either fitted a bigger turbo or advanced the fuel intake or both, this engine cant last to do high mileage.

So the 2.0tdi is the only only option I would go for, except for the oil pump issues, which I am pleased to hear doesn't affect the modern 2.0tdi or the modern 2.0tdi CR.

From what year exactly, is the 2.0 ok?

colm_mcm

Should be noted that the current Octavia is around 150kg lighter than a 1.9 TDI Octavia from 15 years ago.

110bhp isn't that powerful these days for a 1.6 diesel.

I know our 116bhp 1.6 diesel Hyundai from 8 years ago with 200kkm is still going strong, the only difference from the 89bhp version being different software. Newer versions of the same engine are 126bhp and aren't any less reliable.

I think you have a lot of preconceived ideas that aren't necessarily true.

I do agree with you that the 2.0 is going to be nicer day to day though.

small famer

200,000 km (125,000miles) is low mileage. I hope it stays going for you, but i cant see it doing what I would consider high mileage, like what many 1.9tdi have done 300,000 plus miles.

Software changes, what effect do you think these software changes have on an engine to increase power? To burn more diesel thus giving more power output, advance the inject pump manually or through software, its the same effect. The 1.6 110hp can not last to high mileage, your car wont either, its just the way it is.

colm_mcm

The ECU will control things like boost pressure for the turbo. I agree that the golden age of diesels doing massive mileage without issue is gone, but not because manufacturers are making engines too powerful. More because of the steps taken to meet emissions legislation, the need for lighter engines (again you could probably blame reduction in co2 emissions for that) Engines are just more complicated now than they were. A 130bhp 1.9 TDI that's been mapped to 150bhp is still likely to outlast a 1.6 TDI 90bhp purely because it's an old school diesel with few concessions made to the environment.
The reality is, if you're looking at a newish diesel car, it'll usually have a dpf, dmf, direct injection, common rail, an egr that's working hard, and a very high pressure fuel pump. No point in comparing this to a Carina E 2.0d or a 1.9 Octavia because it's apples and oranges. It's just not gonna last as long without incident.

H.E. Pennypacker

small famer wrote: »

The 1.6 110hp can not last to high mileage, your car wont either, its just the way it is.

You'd better warn these people:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/414788-octavia-16-tdi-very-high-mileage/?hl=%2Bmileage#entry4739090

For Forks Sake

colm_mcm wrote: »

There are different 2.0 engines. Mainly you have the older PD engines from years ago -which didn't have a great rep in comparison to the 1.9 -and then you have the newer Common rail engines.

Your comment does t really stack up.

Also to point out, the troublesome PD's didn't end up in the Octavia, think there were a few in the gen 1 Superb and that was it.

whippet

H.E. Pennypacker wrote: »

You'd better warn these people:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/414788-octavia-16-tdi-very-high-mileage/?hl=%2Bmileage#entry4739090

I have almost 260,000km on a 1.6tdi 105ps Superb .... and hasn't missed a beat.

My wife has the 1.6tdi 6speed 4x4 octavia and is perfectly fine on motorways ... won't ever excite you but does it's job.

small famer

If it was 260,000 miles. I would say something. Its only 260,000 km. Thats still small mileage. We will see if your as smart in another 160,000km. Without ptting a new turbo into it.

bazz26

Nothing designed these days is designed to last forever. Your LED tv you own now with all the bells and whistles won't be around in 20 years unlike the old 32" CRT tv I still have at home. It's the same with cars so let's move on.

Leonard Hofstadter

To go back to the OP's question, I've driven the current model Octavia with the 1.6 TDI engine and the DSG box. The version I drove was 103 bhp, I believe they're up to at least 108 bhp and I think the new faclifted version might be up to 113 bhp? Either way, 5 or 10 bhp isn't going to make all that much of a difference. What I can safely say is that you should definitely avoid it and get the 2.0. It's not too bad in fairness, and it's a lot better than the 1.4 petrols of old that were the norm in this size of car, but it's really no ball of fire. It might be similar in price to a Golf, but it's about the size of a Passat - so it really needs something more muscular.

Another point worth noting is that in my hands the 1.6 TDI did only 51 mpg, this was predominantly motorway driving in the UK, worst case scenario the 2.0 TDI will do the same mpg.

Nonoperational

small famer wrote: »

200,000 km (125,000miles) is low mileage. I hope it stays going for you, but i cant see it doing what I would consider high mileage, like what many 1.9tdi have done 300,000 plus miles.

Software changes, what effect do you think these software changes have on an engine to increase power? To burn more diesel thus giving more power output, advance the inject pump manually or through software, its the same effect. The 1.6 110hp can not last to high mileage, your car wont either, its just the way it is.

He's buying a new car on PCP that will likely be under warranty for a large part of his ownership. Settle down.

colm_mcm

To be fair he's probably already halfway through the 3 years at this stage.

maynooth_rules

Sorry to hijack this thread, but is there much difference between the Rapid and the Octavia. they look identical

bazz26

The Skoda Rapid and Seat Toledo are based on the saloon version of the VW Polo that is sold in certain countries. The Rapid is built to a budget so it doesn't have the same level of quality such as interior plastics, standard equipment, etc that you find in the more expensive Octavia. The Rapid would be a bit bigger on the inside than a Fabia but smaller than an Octavia.