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Trapped beside a dead person in a crashed car for three days

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭Wang King


    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For mobile users -
    A dead man and a critically injured woman were found in a crashed car three days after the accident was reported to police, it has emerged.

    Police Scotland found John Yuill and Lamara Bell in a blue Renault Clio just off the M9 near Stirling on Wednesday.
    The force admitted the crash had been reported to them on Sunday morning but had not been followed up, despite the pair being reported missing by family.

    The Police Investigations and Review Commissioner is to look into the case.

    Ms Bell's family told BBC Scotland that they were angry and disgusted with the police's handling of the case.

    They said she had suffered broken bones and had damaged kidneys because of dehydration, and had been placed in a medically induced coma.

    Extremely poor form on Scottish police. They receive a report about a car crash and didn't bother checking it for three days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Saw that on the news earlier. Must have been pretty grim watching the guy decompose next to her.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wang King wrote: »
    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

    What a disgusting little person you are, huh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Into The Blue


    For mobile users .

    Thought quoting articles was banned?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Armchair Andy


    That's Stirling carry on for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Wang King wrote: »
    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

    Good lad.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thought quoting articles was banned?

    Unless I'm mistaken, it's banned only if you quote the article in full, but I believe portions are OK. Honestly, I'm not sure. Think I'll pop up a Feedback thread about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    Aidric wrote: »
    Saw that on the news earlier. Must have been pretty grim watching the guy decompose next to her.

    Disgusting post.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Police forces must be the same the world over.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    It later released a photograph of the car they had been travelling in, but it has emerged that a report of a car off the road by the M9 on Sunday morning was not followed up by police.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

    so the police received a call about the car detailing its position on the Sunday and ignored it and on Monday they released a picture of the same car in an appeal for help from the public to locate the couple who were "missing".

    these boyos in blue also didn't actually join the big dots or find the car until Wednesday afternoon!

    Someone's head will have to roll for this astounding cock-up that could have resulted in the death of the driver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

    What gets me is that no one stopped to help.. Could be a remote location I suppose..

    The car came off a busy motorway .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Wang King wrote: »
    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

    Ah stop


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Dreadful story feel for the families


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

    so the police received a call about the car detailing its position on the Sunday and ignored it and on Monday they released a picture of the same car in an appeal for help from the public to locate the couple who were "missing".


    Someone's head will have to roll for this astounding cock-up that could have resulted in the death of the driver.

    Lack of communication?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭agent graves


    What a disgusting little person you are, huh?
    Aineoil wrote: »
    Disgusting post.
    Ah stop

    this is after hours,, its to be expected. and taken with a pinch of salt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    and taken with a pinch of salt
    The sausage, you mean?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭YurOK2


    The psychological impact of lying beside the dead body for 3 days must be horrendous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    this is after hours,, its to be expected. and taken with a pinch of salt

    I read the thread title and shuddered a little at the mere thought, and I'm regularly to be found in the opening posts of other threads with a smart ass quip. Not this one though, it's too horrific, Lord have mercy on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭MetLuver


    Wang King wrote: »
    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

    That's actually a human being you're talking about. Show some respect.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Wang King wrote: »
    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all
    this is after hours,, its to be expected. and taken with a pinch of salt

    Mod: While we are a lot more lax in AH, the above is certainty not ok


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    2 people dead in a tragic circumstance. That's not really a pinch of salt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭TheOtherBloke


    Wang King wrote: »
    At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

    Shots fired


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    do we know when the other person died. He might have died 3 mins before being found.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    It has to be asked it the driver would have survived had the original accident report been acted on in a timely manner. It smacks of gross negligence for an accident report to have been ignored for three days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    It has to be asked it the driver would have survived had the original accident report been acted on in a timely manner. It smacks of gross negligence for an accident report to have been ignored for three days.

    I read earlier that they say the driver died on impact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Aineoil wrote: »
    2 people dead in a tragic circumstance. That's not really a pinch of salt.

    One person dead. Other seriously injured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I read earlier that they say the driver died on impact.

    Edit:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1515671/m9-crash-victims-dad-tell-her-to-wake-up
    Mr Yuill's father, Gordon, told the Daily Record: "[The delayed police response] wouldn't have made any difference for John. His injuries were such that he died on impact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭frogloch


    You would have to wonder though who reported the accident in the first place, did they see the car go off the road and if they did why not go to the car to offer help. Then again maybe it was a trucker passing who didn't see the accident happen just the car off the road.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Reminds me of an accident in Donegal some years ago.

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CRASH+PALS+TRAGEDY%3B+Gerard+killed+in+car+with+Marcus,+18,+just+days...-a0117046027

    Four in a car when it came off the road. Two were killed, two survived, but were trapped in it for six hours before being noticed. It was only by chance too, some guy was there to tow away another car and noticed bits of glass and plastic, then saw the car on its roof and heard a quiet cry for help. Scary stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    catallus wrote: »
    One person dead. Other seriously injured.

    Sadly the second person, Lamara Bell, has now died too.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1517569/forgotten-m9-crash-woman-dies-in-hospital


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Every death is a tragedy but the WHO say a person is killed in a crash worldwide every 25 seconds....not to detract from the deaths of these two, but 3 Irish died overnight, too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    catallus wrote: »
    Every death is a tragedy but the WHO say a person is killed in a crash worldwide every 25 seconds....not to detract from the deaths of these two, but 3 Irish died overnight, too.

    What's your point? You don't see the difference between somebody dying on impact or shortly after and someone who is stick in a car for 3 days after an accident with a dead person beside them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭YurOK2


    I just read that the female passenger has now died. RIP.
    Very sad for the families and friends, left with a lot of questions to be answered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,731 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    catallus wrote: »
    Every death is a tragedy but the WHO say a person is killed in a crash worldwide every 25 seconds....not to detract from the deaths of these two, but 3 Irish died overnight, too.
    You're missing the point entirely. Everyone knows the figues for fatalities caused by road accidents is shocking, particularly in a small country like Ireland. And no; the deaths of those two people in Scotland mean no more (or less) than those poor people who lost their lives on Irish roads overnight.The issue here is the negligence of the emergency services who failed to locate the victims for 3 days after the crash. The clue is in the thread title.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    blueser wrote: »
    You're missing the point entirely. Everyone knows the figues for fatalities caused by road accidents is shocking, particularly in a small country like Ireland. And no; the deaths of those two people in Scotland mean no more (or less) than those poor people who lost their lives on Irish roads overnight.The issue here is the negligence of the emergency services who failed to locate the victims for 3 days after the crash. The clue is in the thread title.

    It seems that the police have a record of the first call, but the details of the call were not entered in the system and so no follow up.
    It was only when another member of the public called them three days later to report the same car down the verge that the details got entered in the system and finally police followed up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    Read this article this morning, as mentioned earlier, heads have to roll for this, god only knows what must have been going through that poor womans mind for those 3 days.

    shocking story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    frogloch wrote: »
    You would have to wonder though who reported the accident in the first place, did they see the car go off the road and if they did why not go to the car to offer help. Then again maybe it was a trucker passing who didn't see the accident happen just the car off the road.

    It's also possible that if it was witnessed and reported by another driver. That driver might have been drinking and probably did not want to be at the scene when the police arrived.


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    YurOK2 wrote: »
    I just read that the female passenger has now died. RIP.
    Very sad for the families and friends, left with a lot of questions to be answered.

    Just reading it here. Beyond tragic. No excuses. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3158024/Woman-lay-critically-ill-three-days-crashed-car-police-dies.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The amount of circumstances that would have to coincide for nobody to check the car. For no local medical personnel to arrive on scene. For whoever received the police calls not to log them properly. Then to be trapped in a car with no means of exit. That's so incredibly unlucky and it led to a awful horrific death. My thoughts are with the victim. I really hope she wasn't conscious for all those three days. God help their families, even more so when the inquisition starts.

    As for rolling heads? I hope people keep level heads. Everyone makes mistakes. The method and frequency to those mistakes should determine if a head rolls. Never the outcome; That's improper management and badly influences staff morale. Leading to more mistakes and inefficiencies from the fear of mistakes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    It is the very very tiniest sliver of consolation but I read in the Indo that her dad said that while whe was conscious when the medics arrived, she thought she'd been there for only about 30 minutes.

    http://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-who-lay-in-crashed-car-for-three-days-has-died-according-to-her-brother-31370185.html

    :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I don't get all the outrage and calls for heads to roll. This is a tragic and deeply unfortunate incident as a result of a simple and honest mistake that anyone (yes, even YOU) could make.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Outrage is probably not the best answer, hopefully just renewed efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. I can only imagine the outrage had it happened here though, the place would flood with self flagellation about how useless Ireland is.

    I still cant get around how the police got a call about an accident, and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. Not even a delayed reaction, just do nothing. Was no ambulance called either? I've seen ambulances summoned here for not exactly serious injuries at soccer and hurling matches, how could a car crash with no visible survivors/help around it just go ignored?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Outrage is probably not the best answer, hopefully just renewed efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. I can only imagine the outrage had it happened here though, the place would flood with self flagellation about how useless Ireland is.

    I still cant get around how the police got a call about an accident, and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. Not even a delayed reaction, just do nothing. Was no ambulance called either? I've seen ambulances summoned here for not exactly serious injuries at soccer and hurling matches, how could a car crash with no visible survivors/help around it just go ignored?

    I reckon the dispatcher who took the call wrote down the details intending to enter them in the computer system after the call was over. It can be hard to enter details in a computer system and talk on the phone.
    Then when the call was over they got distracted, forgot to enter the details in the computer system and thus no patrol was dispatched.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Menas wrote: »
    I reckon the dispatcher who took the call wrote down the details intending to enter them in the computer system after the call was over. It can be hard to enter details in a computer system and talk on the phone.
    Then when the call was over they got distracted, forgot to enter the details in the computer system and thus no patrol was dispatched.
    Aye, plus the fact the car seemed to be fairly well hidden from the road meant that there were no other calls relating to it. That's why if you see a vehicle off the road like that you should always ring the authorities or check it out yourself if safe to do so. Never assume anything.


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