Trapped beside a dead person in a crashed car for three days

Into The Blue

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

What gets me is that no one stopped to help.. Could be a remote location I suppose..

Wang King

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

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A dead man and a critically injured woman were found in a crashed car three days after the accident was reported to police, it has emerged.

Police Scotland found John Yuill and Lamara Bell in a blue Renault Clio just off the M9 near Stirling on Wednesday.
The force admitted the crash had been reported to them on Sunday morning but had not been followed up, despite the pair being reported missing by family.

The Police Investigations and Review Commissioner is to look into the case.

Ms Bell's family told BBC Scotland that they were angry and disgusted with the police's handling of the case.

They said she had suffered broken bones and had damaged kidneys because of dehydration, and had been placed in a medically induced coma.

Extremely poor form on Scottish police. They receive a report about a car crash and didn't bother checking it for three days.

Aidric

Saw that on the news earlier. Must have been pretty grim watching the guy decompose next to her.

Wang King

Wang King wrote: »

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

What a disgusting little person you are, huh?

Into The Blue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For mobile users .

Thought quoting articles was banned?

Armchair Andy

That's Stirling carry on for you.

anncoates

Wang King wrote: »

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

Good lad.

Into The Blue

Into The Blue wrote: »

Thought quoting articles was banned?

Unless I'm mistaken, it's banned only if you quote the article in full, but I believe portions are OK. Honestly, I'm not sure. Think I'll pop up a Feedback thread about it.

Aineoil

Aidric wrote: »

Saw that on the news earlier. Must have been pretty grim watching the guy decompose next to her.

Disgusting post.

frostyjacks

Police forces must be the same the world over.

foggy_lad

It later released a photograph of the car they had been travelling in, but it has emerged that a report of a car off the road by the M9 on Sunday morning was not followed up by police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

so the police received a call about the car detailing its position on the Sunday and ignored it and on Monday they released a picture of the same car in an appeal for help from the public to locate the couple who were "missing".

these boyos in blue also didn't actually join the big dots or find the car until Wednesday afternoon!

Someone's head will have to roll for this astounding cock-up that could have resulted in the death of the driver.

Gatling

Into The Blue wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

What gets me is that no one stopped to help.. Could be a remote location I suppose..

The car came off a busy motorway .

PizzamanIRL

Wang King wrote: »

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

Ah stop

Stheno

Dreadful story feel for the families

Aineoil

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667

so the police received a call about the car detailing its position on the Sunday and ignored it and on Monday they released a picture of the same car in an appeal for help from the public to locate the couple who were "missing".


Someone's head will have to roll for this astounding cock-up that could have resulted in the death of the driver.

Lack of communication?

agent graves

Deleted User wrote: »

What a disgusting little person you are, huh?

Aineoil wrote: »

Disgusting post.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Ah stop

this is after hours,, its to be expected. and taken with a pinch of salt

lazybones32

agent graves wrote: »

and taken with a pinch of salt

The sausage, you mean?

YurOK2

The psychological impact of lying beside the dead body for 3 days must be horrendous.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

agent graves wrote: »

this is after hours,, its to be expected. and taken with a pinch of salt

I read the thread title and shuddered a little at the mere thought, and I'm regularly to be found in the opening posts of other threads with a smart ass quip. Not this one though, it's too horrific, Lord have mercy on them.

MetLuver

Wang King wrote: »

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

That's actually a human being you're talking about. Show some respect.

G_R

Wang King wrote: »

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

agent graves wrote: »

this is after hours,, its to be expected. and taken with a pinch of salt

Mod: While we are a lot more lax in AH, the above is certainty not ok

Aineoil

2 people dead in a tragic circumstance. That's not really a pinch of salt.

TheOtherBloke

Wang King wrote: »

At least she had a little sausage to eat, to keep up her strength and all

Shots fired

irishgeo

do we know when the other person died. He might have died 3 mins before being found.

FishOnABike

It has to be asked it the driver would have survived had the original accident report been acted on in a timely manner. It smacks of gross negligence for an accident report to have been ignored for three days.

Timberrrrrrrr

FishOnABike wrote: »

It has to be asked it the driver would have survived had the original accident report been acted on in a timely manner. It smacks of gross negligence for an accident report to have been ignored for three days.

I read earlier that they say the driver died on impact.

catallus

Aineoil wrote: »

2 people dead in a tragic circumstance. That's not really a pinch of salt.

One person dead. Other seriously injured.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I read earlier that they say the driver died on impact.

Edit:

http://news.sky.com/story/1515671/m9-crash-victims-dad-tell-her-to-wake-up

Mr Yuill's father, Gordon, told the Daily Record: "[The delayed police response] wouldn't have made any difference for John. His injuries were such that he died on impact.

frogloch

You would have to wonder though who reported the accident in the first place, did they see the car go off the road and if they did why not go to the car to offer help. Then again maybe it was a trucker passing who didn't see the accident happen just the car off the road.

frostyjacks

Reminds me of an accident in Donegal some years ago.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CRASH+PALS+TRAGEDY%3B+Gerard+killed+in+car+with+Marcus,+18,+just+days...-a0117046027

Four in a car when it came off the road. Two were killed, two survived, but were trapped in it for six hours before being noticed. It was only by chance too, some guy was there to tow away another car and noticed bits of glass and plastic, then saw the car on its roof and heard a quiet cry for help. Scary stuff.

Menas

catallus wrote: »

One person dead. Other seriously injured.

Sadly the second person, Lamara Bell, has now died too.

http://news.sky.com/story/1517569/forgotten-m9-crash-woman-dies-in-hospital

catallus

Every death is a tragedy but the WHO say a person is killed in a crash worldwide every 25 seconds....not to detract from the deaths of these two, but 3 Irish died overnight, too.

fullstop

catallus wrote: »

Every death is a tragedy but the WHO say a person is killed in a crash worldwide every 25 seconds....not to detract from the deaths of these two, but 3 Irish died overnight, too.

What's your point? You don't see the difference between somebody dying on impact or shortly after and someone who is stick in a car for 3 days after an accident with a dead person beside them?

YurOK2

I just read that the female passenger has now died. RIP.
Very sad for the families and friends, left with a lot of questions to be answered.

blueser

catallus wrote: »

Every death is a tragedy but the WHO say a person is killed in a crash worldwide every 25 seconds....not to detract from the deaths of these two, but 3 Irish died overnight, too.

You're missing the point entirely. Everyone knows the figues for fatalities caused by road accidents is shocking, particularly in a small country like Ireland. And no; the deaths of those two people in Scotland mean no more (or less) than those poor people who lost their lives on Irish roads overnight.The issue here is the negligence of the emergency services who failed to locate the victims for 3 days after the crash. The clue is in the thread title.

Menas

blueser wrote: »

You're missing the point entirely. Everyone knows the figues for fatalities caused by road accidents is shocking, particularly in a small country like Ireland. And no; the deaths of those two people in Scotland mean no more (or less) than those poor people who lost their lives on Irish roads overnight.The issue here is the negligence of the emergency services who failed to locate the victims for 3 days after the crash. The clue is in the thread title.

It seems that the police have a record of the first call, but the details of the call were not entered in the system and so no follow up.
It was only when another member of the public called them three days later to report the same car down the verge that the details got entered in the system and finally police followed up.

major bill

Read this article this morning, as mentioned earlier, heads have to roll for this, god only knows what must have been going through that poor womans mind for those 3 days.

shocking story

Son Of A Vidic

frogloch wrote: »

You would have to wonder though who reported the accident in the first place, did they see the car go off the road and if they did why not go to the car to offer help. Then again maybe it was a trucker passing who didn't see the accident happen just the car off the road.

It's also possible that if it was witnessed and reported by another driver. That driver might have been drinking and probably did not want to be at the scene when the police arrived.

YurOK2

YurOK2 wrote: »

I just read that the female passenger has now died. RIP.
Very sad for the families and friends, left with a lot of questions to be answered.

Just reading it here. Beyond tragic. No excuses. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3158024/Woman-lay-critically-ill-three-days-crashed-car-police-dies.html

Turtwig

The amount of circumstances that would have to coincide for nobody to check the car. For no local medical personnel to arrive on scene. For whoever received the police calls not to log them properly. Then to be trapped in a car with no means of exit. That's so incredibly unlucky and it led to a awful horrific death. My thoughts are with the victim. I really hope she wasn't conscious for all those three days. God help their families, even more so when the inquisition starts.

As for rolling heads? I hope people keep level heads. Everyone makes mistakes. The method and frequency to those mistakes should determine if a head rolls. Never the outcome; That's improper management and badly influences staff morale. Leading to more mistakes and inefficiencies from the fear of mistakes.

B0jangles

It is the very very tiniest sliver of consolation but I read in the Indo that her dad said that while whe was conscious when the medics arrived, she thought she'd been there for only about 30 minutes.

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-who-lay-in-crashed-car-for-three-days-has-died-according-to-her-brother-31370185.html

The Backwards Man

I don't get all the outrage and calls for heads to roll. This is a tragic and deeply unfortunate incident as a result of a simple and honest mistake that anyone (yes, even YOU) could make.

CrabRevolution

Outrage is probably not the best answer, hopefully just renewed efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. I can only imagine the outrage had it happened here though, the place would flood with self flagellation about how useless Ireland is.

I still cant get around how the police got a call about an accident, and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. Not even a delayed reaction, just do nothing. Was no ambulance called either? I've seen ambulances summoned here for not exactly serious injuries at soccer and hurling matches, how could a car crash with no visible survivors/help around it just go ignored?

Menas

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Outrage is probably not the best answer, hopefully just renewed efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. I can only imagine the outrage had it happened here though, the place would flood with self flagellation about how useless Ireland is.

I still cant get around how the police got a call about an accident, and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. Not even a delayed reaction, just do nothing. Was no ambulance called either? I've seen ambulances summoned here for not exactly serious injuries at soccer and hurling matches, how could a car crash with no visible survivors/help around it just go ignored?

I reckon the dispatcher who took the call wrote down the details intending to enter them in the computer system after the call was over. It can be hard to enter details in a computer system and talk on the phone.
Then when the call was over they got distracted, forgot to enter the details in the computer system and thus no patrol was dispatched.

The Backwards Man

Menas wrote: »

I reckon the dispatcher who took the call wrote down the details intending to enter them in the computer system after the call was over. It can be hard to enter details in a computer system and talk on the phone.
Then when the call was over they got distracted, forgot to enter the details in the computer system and thus no patrol was dispatched.

Aye, plus the fact the car seemed to be fairly well hidden from the road meant that there were no other calls relating to it. That's why if you see a vehicle off the road like that you should always ring the authorities or check it out yourself if safe to do so. Never assume anything.