Irish Rail appeal

db7898

hello i am just looking on advice on how to appeal against a fine. yesterday i received a fine of 103.15 euro. i am 16 years old and thought that i was eligible for a childs ticket as it was my first time using the dart. i then got stopped by a ticket inspector who explained to me that i had bought the wrong ticket and issued me with a fine, he then told me that i should appeal against this as i was unaware that i had purchased the wrong ticket.

flyingsnail

Details here,

If you wish to appeal against a Fixed Penalty Notice, with which you have been issued, you must do so in writing or via email to the addresses shown on the receipt given to you by the inspector within 21 DAYS. Failure to pay will lead to a prosecution and a Criminal conviction plus a fine of up to a €1000 in the District Courts

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/fixedpenaltydlleaflet1.pdf?v=grhucpe

goingnowhere

To be fair the ticket machines clearly show the under 16 requirement next to child tickets

You are not a case of fare evasion but a case of fraudulent travel which is a lot easier to prove in court.

Chalk it down to experience and pay up

Dravokivich

You can buy them at a TVM without needing to purchase an adult ticket now?

db7898

I know how to appeal I just don't know what to write

goingnowhere

Yes you can,

db7898

goingnowhere wrote: »

To be fair the ticket machines clearly show the under 16 requirement next to child tickets

You are not a case of fare evasion but a case of fraudulent travel which is a lot easier to prove in court.

Chalk it down to experience and pay up

I know but the inspector told me to appeal

db7898

goingnowhere wrote: »

Yes you can,

I can what

db7898

Dravokivich wrote: »

You can buy them at a TVM without needing to purchase an adult ticket now?

What is a tvm

LXFlyer

db7898 wrote: »

What is a tvm

Ticket Vending Machine

Hilly Bill

db7898 wrote: »

I know how to appeal I just don't know what to write

There isnt a lot you can tell them apart from what you posted in the opening post. Just bear in mind that with all the grief thats has been caused by gangs of youths on the dart these past few sunny days , Irish Rail might not have much sympathy for your case.

lil5

Hilly Bill wrote: »

... Just bear in mind that with all the grief thats has been caused by gangs of youths on the dart these past few sunny days , Irish Rail might not have much sympathy for your case.

:pac::pac::pac:

I would have hoped that IR looks at appeals on a case by case basis.

Not if the stars were aligned in a certain way, the train to Ennis was sold out or three darts in a row were on time.


But maybe they do work the way you describe ...

The_Mask

Appeal your fine explaining it was a genuine mistake on your part, I'm sure irish rail will consider scrapping it. Seen recently in the papers IR scrapped a major fine for a fraudulent traveller using a year old pass

Hilly Bill

lil5 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I would have hoped that IR looks at appeals on a case by case basis.

Not if the stars were aligned in a certain way, the train to Ennis was sold out or three darts in a row were on time.


But maybe they do work the way you describe ...

Im sure that they do .

Vic_08

lil5 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I would have hoped that IR looks at appeals on a case by case basis.

Yes and this case is a simple one where there is no reason to uphold an appeal.

Even if the OP's tale of being a DART virgin who was completely ignorant of the rules and had no idea that 16 meant adult ticket is true he still didn't bother to find out.

Despite this supposed ignorance he did manage to find the cheapest possible option, funny how that happens with clueless folk isn't it, they invariably manage to stumble into finding the invalid ticket that saves them the most cash.

IE would be stupid to entertain this nonsense, he used a cheaper ticket he was not entitled to use and was caught, fine was appropriate, no valid grounds for an appeal, end of story.

end of the road

Vic_08 wrote: »

Yes and this case is a simple one where there is no reason to uphold an appeal.

Even if the OP's tale of being a DART virgin who was completely ignorant of the rules and had no idea that 16 meant adult ticket is true he still didn't bother to find out.

Despite this supposed ignorance he did manage to find the cheapest possible option, funny how that happens with clueless folk isn't it, they invariably manage to stumble into finding the invalid ticket that saves them the most cash.

IE would be stupid to entertain this nonsense, he used a cheaper ticket he was not entitled to use and was caught, fine was appropriate, no valid grounds for an appeal, end of story.

how is he supposed to "bother to find out" either he will see it when buying it on the machine, or he won't. there are grounds for an appeal if its decided there are by irish rail or a court if it was to go that far. its not "nonsense" and irish rail have a duty to hear his appeal. they will say yes or no . appeal op

goingnowhere

end of the road wrote: »

how is he supposed to "bother to find out" either he will see it when buying it on the machine, or he won't. there are grounds for an appeal if its decided there are by irish rail or a court if it was to go that far. its not "nonsense" and irish rail have a duty to hear his appeal. they will say yes or no . appeal op

Strictly speaking there is no legal obligation on Irish Rail to accept an appeal. No reference in the Transport Act, Rail Safety Act or bye laws. Your course of appeal is to refuse to pay the penalty fare and go to court

end of the road

goingnowhere wrote: »

Strictly speaking there is no legal obligation on Irish Rail to accept an appeal. No reference in the Transport Act, Rail Safety Act or bye laws. Your course of appeal is to refuse to pay the penalty fare and go to court

i stated they had a duty. i didn't state "they have a legal duty" so my point still stands

Van.Bosch

The whole "you should appeal" comment from the inspector is a line given to most im sure, kind of to appease the passenger and get them out of the way. Show some sympathy and hope they go away focusing on the appeal not the inspector.

I suspect you are legit but you had an invalid ticket so were rightly fined. Personally I would appeal and hope that they believe your story and are lenient.

Good luck

Hilly Bill

By all means appeal but i don't rate your chances.

Vic_08

end of the road wrote: »

how is he supposed to "bother to find out" either he will see it when buying it on the machine, or he won't.

The same way everyone else is supposed to find out; by asking the man in the office, reading the text on the TVM, looking it up on the internet, etc.

Ignorance of the law is not a justification for breaking it.

end of the road

Vic_08 wrote: »

The same way everyone else is supposed to find out; by asking the man in the office, reading the text on the TVM, looking it up on the internet, etc.

Ignorance of the law is not a justification for breaking it.

it is when its an irish rail law that probably isn't clarified properly, or somewhere where it can be read easily. maybe there was nothing on the ticket machine or a man or anyone in the office when he booked it. maybe he didn't book online. frankly, as were dealing with a company who refuses to enforce its revenue collection properly, continuously buries their head in the sand, i'l have to tend to potentially believe the op for now

Hilly Bill

end of the road wrote: »

it is when its an irish rail law that probably isn't clarified properly, or somewhere where it can be read easily. maybe there was nothing on the ticket machine or a man or anyone in the office when he booked it. maybe he didn't book online. frankly, as were dealing with a company who refuses to enforce its revenue collection properly, continuously buries their head in the sand, i'l have to tend to potentially believe the op for now

All, ifs, whatevers and maybes wont win you an appeal. Quit scrapping the bottom of the barrel looking for an excuse . Its simple, he got caught with the wrong ticket and got fined and there is no reason that they will cancel it.

OP, get yourself a childs leap card 16-18 year old. I think you get a week free or so with that card next month.

Victor

Hilly Bill wrote: »

OP, get yourself a childs leap card 16-18 year old. I think you get a week free or so with that card next month.

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