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Charleston, South Carolina Shooting.

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  • #2
    Desmonddoyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Desmonddoyle


    So what exactly is the conspiracy.

    Sorry for being so dim - it's just not clear to me what the conspirators were trying to achieve, who was involved and why, but mostly how Burger King go involved in all of this ?


  • #3
    ScumLord
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    stuar wrote: »
    After he shot and killed the state senator and 8 other people the arresting officers then went to Burger King to grab him a bite to eat before handing him over to FBI???? WTF?
    That's not unusual. They're probably required to offer him something if they have him detained for a certain amount of time. Little oversights like that can lead to problems once solicitors get involved.


  • #4
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Desmonddoyle wrote: »
    So what exactly is the conspiracy.

    Sorry for being so dim - it's just not clear to me what the conspirators were trying to achieve, who was involved and why, but mostly how Burger King go involved in all of this ?

    To be honest I don't really know!, just pointing out the anomalies in this case.

    Photoshopped?
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    Original?
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    Active shooter drills taking place in Charleston two days prior to two days after shooting, as linked in OP,
    9/11 there were military drills taking place where aircraft were hijacked,
    7/7 London bombings drills were taking place where buses and trains were blown up,
    Aurora, Colorado, theater massacre, Colorado University held identical drill, the same day as the Batman massacre.
    Sandyhook massacre, Active shooter drill taking place at same time in local school.

    Maybe the reason these drills/exercises just happen to be taking place at same time as real life events is to make sure they are completed and not stopped before the event and in turn cause the public to think or feel a certain way, exactly what that way is I couldn't tell you.

    His website with his manifesto written on it, registered and hosted in Russia, what better place to host it if you don't want US law enforcement all over it, also the whois states it was updated yesterday 23/06/2015, if this is relevant or not I don't know, also the owners details are registered with a privacy company in Queensland, Australia.

    Given the fact it is now public knowledge that the FBI have been directly involved in organizing most high profile "Terror Plots" in the US would make you wonder are they involved in this somehow?

    Government agents 'directly involved' in most high-profile US terror plots
    "In some cases the FBI may have created terrorists out of law-abiding individuals by suggesting the idea of taking terrorist action or encouraging the target to act," the report alleges.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/government-agents-directly-involved-us-terror-plots-report

    Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

    FBI organizes almost all terror plots in the US
    http://rt.com/usa/fbi-terror-report-plot-365-899/

    Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html

    The FBI Goes To Disturbing Lengths To Set Up Potential Terrorists
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-hatched-some-crazy-terror-plots-2013-3#ixzz3dzqVgOsr

    WHY DOES THE FBI HAVE TO MANUFACTURE ITS OWN PLOTS IF TERRORISM AND ISIS ARE SUCH GRAVE THREATS?
    In this regard, this latest arrest appears to be quite similar to the overwhelming majority of terrorism arrests the FBI has proudly touted over the last decade. As my colleague Andrew Fishman and I wrote last month — after the FBI manipulated a 20-year-old loner who lived with his parents into allegedly agreeing to join an FBI-created plot to attack the Capitol — these cases follow a very clear pattern:
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-grave-threats/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7vI9eh7rV8


  • #5
    ScumLord
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    stuar wrote: »
    Maybe the reason these drills/exercises just happen to be taking place at same time as real life events is to make sure they are completed and not stopped before the event and in turn cause the public to think or feel a certain way, exactly what that way is I couldn't tell you.
    Or maybe they just do lots of drills so they're prepared? American authorities have taken a lot of flak in the past over not being prepared for emergencies.

    Seeing as you found one training schedule it should be straightforward enough to see how regularly American forces do training drills, what they're policies are on drills and whether these drills were just following policy or out of the ordinary.


  • #6
    stuar
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    That's not unusual. They're probably required to offer him something if they have him detained for a certain amount of time. Little oversights like that can lead to problems once solicitors get involved.

    I know every prisoner is entitled to food and water, but how long were local police holding the suspect before the Feds turned up?, I'd imagine as soon as he was arrested the FBI were getting there ASAP, what if he had an accomplice in Burger King with instructions to poison the food in case of arrest?, I know it's unlikely but why local police felt obliged to get him burger king before the FBI arrested him I don't understand, he wasn't close to death from starvation.


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  • #7
    stuar
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Or maybe they just do lots of drills so they're prepared? American authorities have taken a lot of flak in the past over not being prepared for emergencies.

    Seeing as you found one training schedule it should be straightforward enough to see how regularly American forces do training drills, what they're policies are on drills and whether these drills were just following policy or out of the ordinary.



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    Edit:
    Well it doesn't seem they were too prepared for this one either, seeing as the suspect was on the run for 9 hours, so it would seem the "Active Shooter drills" are next to useless in real life situations.


  • #8
    ScumLord
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    That's one calendar that points to the fact there's more for local law enforcement. Without this training the guy could have been on the run for longer, or escaped. Just because the FBI are training doesn't mean all the police forces get the day off. It was likely a group of agents doing the training, not all of them. It also looks like there's training going on most months of the year and that's just federal.

    In all likelihood this training would have had minimum impact on the FBIs ability to do their job that day and even less impact on local law enforcement.


  • #9
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    ScumLord wrote: »
    That's one calendar that points to the fact there's more for local law enforcement. Without this training the guy could have been on the run for longer, or escaped. Just because the FBI are training doesn't mean all the police forces get the day off. It was likely a group of agents doing the training, not all of them. It also looks like there's training going on most months of the year and that's just federal.

    In all likelihood this training would have had minimum impact on the FBIs ability to do their job that day and even less impact on local law enforcement.

    Sorry, I'm not too sure what I should be debating with you, I'm sure there is plenty more training/drills that take place all across america, I really don't want to get bogged down on one incident where a drill for an active shooter just happens to be happening in the same town at the same time as an actual live shooter, although the federal plan from January to September seems to amount to a tiny fraction of towns, cities and states across america, just coincidence that they both fell at the same time and place.

    The senator that was killed, Clementa Pinckney, took to the senate floor last month and called the killing of an unarmed black man Walter Scott by a white police officer in Charleston a murder (1:52 video below).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0fDAKq9FDc


    Maybe senator Pinckney was saying too much about the spate of white cops killing unarmed black americans and somebody wanted him silenced?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v5OVYT1PCY


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXx9jiuAZo0


  • #10
    Overheal
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    stuar wrote: »
    I know every prisoner is entitled to food and water, but how long were local police holding the suspect before the Feds turned up?, I'd imagine as soon as he was arrested the FBI were getting there ASAP, what if he had an accomplice in Burger King with instructions to poison the food in case of arrest?, I know it's unlikely but why local police felt obliged to get him burger king before the FBI arrested him I don't understand, he wasn't close to death from starvation.

    I don't mean to pick this apart as utterly absurd, but how would he know where the police would buy him lunch from? If you were going to go to the trouble you would have either just shot yourself in the face or had a poison agent on you, like a pill, or been completely drugged up ready to go out in a blaze of glory before the overdose took you.

    They held him for less than a day; there are bound to have been procedures, bookings, holdings, etc. that needed to be processed before handing him over to the FBI. And the FBI will feed him too you know.
    stuar wrote: »
    Well it doesn't seem they were too prepared for this one either, seeing as the suspect was on the run for 9 hours, so it would seem the "Active Shooter drills" are next to useless in real life situations.
    Every prolific active shooter event in the last 20 years has been in and around a fixed location; you can't really blame them for manhunting him, nor can you say 9 hours is an unreasonable acquisition time. Charleston has plenty of space to get lost in, have a look, dozens of square miles of open areas, woods, marshes, rivers, city, cars, and at least half a dozen ways to quickly egress from the city (2-3 out of Mt Pleasant, 2-3 in West Ashley, i26 of course, and Hwy's 17 and 78) as well as a lot of ways to much more slowly but quietly get out, through wooded areas. There isn't a real-world eagle eye or CCTV network in Charleston or any other big brother system that could have tracked him any faster. Either way, you're admitting into evidence that your suspicion of Active Shooter Training being tied to this event probably had nothing to do with the event and was "next to useless" as you put it.
    Maybe senator Pinckney was saying too much about the spate of white cops killing unarmed black americans and somebody wanted him silenced?
    Obviously - that is why he was shot and killed, by the person who wanted him dead.
    7/7 London bombings drills were taking place where buses and trains were blown up,
    It is possible - and very likely - that two disparate groups of people aka. terrorists and counter-terrorists could both somehow reach the same conclusions about weak points and vulnerabilities to exploit, and perhaps act accordingly. It's like when you get ****faced and "invent" honey and peanut butter spread only to realize someone already markets that on the regular, or Apple claiming they invented the cellular phone. "reinvention" happens a lot, pretty sure its just intuition - or quantum entanglement if you're really stoned off your tits.


  • #11
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    It should be pointed out that it's an Active Shooter Threat Instructor Training Program.
    I doubt that every single agent in the entire area would be an instructor in this subject, so it's even more doubtful there would be an impact on their effectiveness.

    Also 5 minutes of digging finds that Charleston is only one of 4 Training Centres for federal agents in the country, so it's not exactly shocking that they would have a training course during the week of a shooting. They probably have those courses most weeks. Not to mention that they were probably catering for agents from all over the nearby states, not just agents from Charleston.

    And even then, the course description on the website for that subject doesn't actually mention drills at all, it seems to be more management and leadership based more than anything.

    So the headline is less "Drill just happened to be on the same day" and more "training centre has a week along training for agents from many different places."
    I think that the conspiracy sites you posted are being very dishonest in how they present it.

    So ignoring all that, what benefit does having this on the same day as the shootings give to the conspirators?


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  • #12
    stuar
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    Overheal wrote: »
    I don't mean to pick this apart as utterly absurd, but how would he know where the police would buy him lunch from? If you were going to go to the trouble you would have either just shot yourself in the face or had a poison agent on you, like a pill, or been completely drugged up ready to go out in a blaze of glory before the overdose took you.


    They held him for less than a day; there are bound to have been procedures, bookings, holdings, etc. that needed to be processed before handing him over to the FBI. And the FBI will feed him too you know.

    The story I was referring to said:
    This is according to Shelby Police Chief Jeff Ledford, who told the Charlotte Observer that Roof complained of hunger before officers bought him the burger. Turns out he only had time for a single bag of chips while leading police on a manhunt.

    Ledford said that Shelby police had two interactions with Roof: arresting him with guns drawn, and buying him lunch. They then turned him over to the FBI.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/arresting-offiacers-bought-dylann-roof-a-burger.html

    From reading that Shelby police chief Ledford seems to imply they arrested him with guns drawn, then bought him lunch, and that was all the interaction they had, handed him over to the fbi, burger king is on highway 74 where he was arrested, Shelby police department is a mile away from burger king/highway 74, across the street from the police department are a number of fast food places, any one of which could feed a hungry mass murderer.

    Overheal wrote: »
    Every prolific active shooter event in the last 20 years has been in and around a fixed location;[/quote}
    As opposed to a moving location?

    Overheal wrote: »
    you can't really blame them for manhunting him, nor can you say 9 hours is an unreasonable acquisition time.
    I was responding to scumlord who said...."Or maybe they just do lots of drills so they're prepared? American authorities have taken a lot of flak in the past over not being prepared for emergencies."

    I was simply saying that their drills are kinda useless unless they are on the scene when the shooter is still there, in this case they weren't, catch my drift?

    Overheal wrote: »
    Charleston has plenty of space to get lost in, have a look, dozens of square miles of open areas, woods, marshes, rivers, city, cars, and at least half a dozen ways to quickly egress from the city (2-3 out of Mt Pleasant, 2-3 in West Ashley, i26 of course, and Hwy's 17 and 78) as well as a lot of ways to much more slowly but quietly get out, through wooded areas. There isn't a real-world eagle eye or CCTV network in Charleston or any other big brother system that could have tracked him any faster. Either way, you're admitting into evidence that your suspicion of Active Shooter Training being tied to this event probably had nothing to do with the event and was "next to useless" as you put it.

    See above.

    Overheal wrote: »
    Obviously - that is why he was shot and killed, by the person who wanted him dead.

    Yes obviously, maybe the real people that wanted him dead encouraged the shooter, if you read my link that says:
    "As my colleague Andrew Fishman and I wrote last month — after the FBI manipulated a 20-year-old loner who lived with his parents into allegedly agreeing to join an FBI-created plot to attack the Capitol — these cases follow a very clear pattern"

    Overheal wrote: »
    It is possible - and very likely - that two disparate groups of people aka. terrorists and counter-terrorists could both somehow reach the same conclusions about weak points and vulnerabilities to exploit, and perhaps act accordingly. It's like when you get ****faced and "invent" honey and peanut butter spread only to realize someone already markets that on the regular, or Apple claiming they invented the cellular phone. "reinvention" happens a lot, pretty sure its just intuition - or quantum entanglement if you're really stoned off your tits.

    No not very possible nor likely that the 7/7 terror drills and the actual bombings were in the exact same spots, at the exact same time.
    http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html


  • #13
    stuar
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    King Mob wrote: »
    It should be pointed out that it's an Active Shooter Threat Instructor Training Program.
    I doubt that every single agent in the entire area would be an instructor in this subject, so it's even more doubtful there would be an impact on their effectiveness.

    It should also be pointed out that "Active Shooter Threat Instructor Training Program" is described as "The course takes Active Shooter Threat Tactics Training to the next level", and it only happens once in Charleston in 2015 for 5 days (15-19 June 2015). It is designed for the best of the best in the business.

    The "Active Shooter Threat Training Program" described as for students happens 11 times in 2015.

    King Mob wrote: »
    Also 5 minutes of digging finds that Charleston is only one of 4 Training Centres for federal agents in the country, so it's not exactly shocking that they would have a training course during the week of a shooting. They probably have those courses most weeks. Not to mention that they were probably catering for agents from all over the nearby states, not just agents from Charleston.

    And even then, the course description on the website for that subject doesn't actually mention drills at all, it seems to be more management and leadership based more than anything.

    So the headline is less "Drill just happened to be on the same day" and more "training centre has a week along training for agents from many different places."
    I think that the conspiracy sites you posted are being very dishonest in how they present it.

    So ignoring all that, what benefit does having this on the same day as the shootings give to the conspirators?

    If theres a training program going on with federal agencies, the local police are not always aware, theres been numerous reports in the past of sheriffs complaining they didn't know there was training going on in their town/county, if this is the case and a call comes through to the police department that theres a shooting there can be confusion whether it's genuine or merely training, seeing as the training in Charleston was already going on for 2 days, it might cause confusion.


    Actually heres an incident that took place not too far away in North Carolina
    Deputy shoots 2 soldiers, killing 1

    MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

    Sheriff’s Dept: Deputy thought they were going to kill him

    ROBBINS, N.C., Feb. 24 — A sheriff’s deputy shot two Fort Bragg soldiers, killing one, after the two soldiers, both in civilian clothing, tried to disarm the deputy because they thought he was taking part in a role-playing training exercise, authorities said Sunday. The Moore County Sheriff’s Department said the deputy was “totally unaware” of the exercise.

    THE SOLDIERS were taking part in a role-playing exercise that is part of the Special Forces Qualification Course, according to a statement from the Moore County Sheriff’s Department. They were carrying weapons, but they do not carry live ammunition during the exercise, Maj. Richard Patterson of the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School told The Fayetteville Observer.

    “The two soldiers were not in uniform. For various scenarios within the exercise, that’s not uncommon,” said a Special Forces spokesman. “They were going out to do reconnaissance of a target that was going to be used for a future mission in the exercise,” the spokesman said.

    The newspaper reported that the soldiers were in a vehicle that was stopped by Deputy Randall Butler on a rural road northwest of Robbins on Saturday afternoon. Robbins is about 25 miles from the Fort Bragg reservation.

    “One of the soldiers attempted to disarm the officer as the other was attempting to get a military weapon that the soldiers had in their possession,” a statement from the Moore County Sheriff’s Office said. “The deputy believed that the two individuals intended on killing him.”
    http://www.theppsc.org/Archives/DF_Articles/Files/NorthCarolina/deputy_shoots_2_soldiers.htm


  • #14
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    stuar wrote: »
    It should also be pointed out that "Active Shooter Threat Instructor Training Program" is described as "The course takes Active Shooter Threat Tactics Training to the next level", and it only happens once in Charleston in 2015 for 5 days (15-19 June 2015). It is designed for the best of the best in the business.
    Yup. So it's a training course for Instructors. Not a drill as described by the article you posted.
    stuar wrote: »
    The "Active Shooter Threat Training Program" described as for students happens 11 times in 2015.
    Which is a different course, and not on the date of the shooting contrary to what the article you posted said.

    So what exactly is suspicious about a training course happening in a training centre that has training courses (even ones about active shooters) all the time?
    stuar wrote: »
    If theres a training program going on with federal agencies, the local police are not always aware, theres been numerous reports in the past of sheriffs complaining they didn't know there was training going on in their town/county, if this is the case and a call comes through to the police department that theres a shooting there can be confusion whether it's genuine or merely training, seeing as the training in Charleston was already going on for 2 days, it might cause confusion.
    Well first, you've pointed to a schedule of these courses that was published way ahead of time. So it's a bit of a stretch that the police in a town with a federal training centre might be confused about whether or not there was training on.
    Second, there is nothing about the course that would lead anyone to assume that it would cause confusion in the first place.

    Why would such confusion be a benefit for the conspirators?


  • #15
    omnithanos
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    The reason he was brought to Burger King was to make a public display about how white offenders are treated differently than black offenders like Freddie Grey who was beaten to death. This is done in order to stoke up a race war, thereby introducing civil unrest, which will give them the excuse to carry out the next stage of their agenda be it martial law or whatever.


  • #16
    ScumLord
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    omnithanos wrote: »
    The reason he was brought to Burger King was to make a public display about how white offenders are treated differently than black offenders like Freddie Grey who was beaten to death. This is done in order to stoke up a race war, thereby introducing civil unrest, which will give them the excuse to carry out the next stage of their agenda be it martial law or whatever.
    I don't think the conspiracy would hold if a group tried to convince a multiethnic police force that they should put their lives in mortal danger by antagonising the black community in such a way.

    US Police live in a state of fear every day of their job. They don't want to make that situation worse for some unknown force that has no chain of command over them. There are thousands of police in the US, it would be virtually impossible to get them all to agree to enforce an unofficial policy of antagonising the people they have to work around each day into starting a riot that the police would be in the centre of.


  • #17
    omnithanos
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't think the conspiracy would hold if a group tried to convince a multiethnic police force that they should put their lives in mortal danger by antagonising the black community in such a way.

    US Police live in a state of fear every day of their job. They don't want to make that situation worse for some unknown force that has no chain of command over them. There are thousands of police in the US, it would be virtually impossible to get them all to agree to enforce an unofficial policy of antagonising the people they have to work around each day into starting a riot that the police would be in the centre of.

    Throw people a few extra bucks and you'd be surprised what they'd do.
    Sure didn't Walter Scott pretend to get shot.


  • #18
    ScumLord
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    omnithanos wrote: »
    Throw people a few extra bucks and you'd be surprised what they'd do.
    Sure didn't Walter Scott pretend to get shot.
    So their now paying the police forces money? These police officers have families, I very much doubt you'd get them to put their lives at that much risk for some money they probably would need to hide because it's not going through books.

    Police officers are normal people that work to support their families. Getting shot on the job is the big prevailing fear and a bit of extra money isn't going to make them disregard their safety and possibly the safety of their families if there's a big enough backlash.

    The only person I've heard saying Walter Scott pretended to get shot and I guess pretended to die, is you.


  • #19
    omnithanos
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    ScumLord wrote: »
    So their now paying the police forces money? These police officers have families, I very much doubt you'd get them to put their lives at that much risk for some money they probably would need to hide because it's not going through books.

    Police officers are normal people that work to support their families. Getting shot on the job is the big prevailing fear and a bit of extra money isn't going to make them disregard their safety and possibly the safety of their families if there's a big enough backlash.

    The only person I've heard saying Walter Scott pretended to get shot and I guess pretended to die, is you.

    This purpose of this thread is to highlight that 9 church goers in Charleston pretended to die so it's not a new concept.


  • #20
    ScumLord
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    omnithanos wrote: »
    This purpose of this thread is to highlight that 9 church goers in Charleston pretended to die so it's not a new concept.
    It's not, your the first person to bring up that bizarre claim.


  • #21
    omnithanos
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    ScumLord wrote: »
    It's not, your the first person to bring up that bizarre claim.

    Really?





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  • #22
    Overheal
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    I should refer readers to our other popular thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057438796

    I think for those willing to believe the events in Charleston were faked, no propensity of evidence to the contrary will satiate their curiosity. It's easy to imagine unseen evidence, backroom conversations, money exchanging hands, but where is there any proof of that? I could very well imagine that there is an albino bull rhino in the gymnasium but until I go and look, I could not be absolutely sure one way or another, and could sit here all day and cry "ITS TRUE THERES AN ALBINO RHINO IN THE GYM" until someone came along and flooded my desk with hours of footage of there being no Rhino anywhere near the gym, and even then I could argue the Rhino was outside of a camera angle or something.

    In this case though, why is it important that there is a rhino in the gym, aka. what is the motive behind staging the attack. Who benefits? How many people do you need to involve? From that, what are the indications that support the argument?


  • #23
    omnithanos
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    Overheal wrote: »
    I should refer readers to our other popular thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057438796

    Thanks Overheal, I notice my last comment in that thread was removed.

    Meanwhile let's watch how ridiculously fake the alleged shooting of Walter Scott actually is.



  • #24
    Overheal
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    1. If you have a question about moderation, you know fully well that discussion on threads is expressly forbidden. PM the moderators if you have questions about a deleted post, for instance.

    2. This is not a Walker Scott thread.

    Last Warning on topics 1. and 2.


  • #25
    ScumLord
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    omnithanos wrote: »
    Really?
    Those two videos weren't in the OP. At no point was this thread about saying the people didn't get shot until you brought it up.

    Those two videos are a joke, some guy watched the video and doesn't think the guy got shot because he's chest didn't explode like in the movies. And that's enough for him to be certain that it was all fake. It's just nonsensical to believe some random video on youtube over all the people that were there, the families that he never came home to, the police officer that did the shooting and every other major organisation that was involved.

    The second video is a pretty shameful attack on someone who lost their mother because he's not breaking down in front of the camera. People don't behave the same under pressure and grief. Just because the guy can hold himself together for a short TV interview doesn't mean he's lying.


  • #26
    Overheal
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    People don't behave the same under pressure and grief
    Probably didn't want to look like a broken down wreck on camera. Wouldn't be alarmed if he did prepare what he wished to say ahead of time. If the guy is so good at reading faces he should be in Vegas.


  • #27
    ScumLord
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Probably didn't want to look like a broken down wreck on camera.
    Even if he is being indifferent it proves nothing. Maybe he hated his mother? He's emotional state has no baring on whether the shootings happened or not.


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    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    He's on death row now


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