Concert licensing changes. No more subject to licence!

Fred Swanson

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kippy

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You'll find plenty cribbing about the changes though. Hard to keep everyone happy.

Berserker

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Dear lord. I can't believe what I am reading. Common sense being used to resolve an issue. There is hope for our little country yet!

seamus

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Looks like it'll probably put an end to this practice of building hype by pretending there aren't enough tickets to go around. If they want to sell multiple nights they'll have to apply for the licences. Granted they may release one, then go and apply for more licences, but that can take months.

recyclebin

I think they can still sell tickets subject to licence. They just need to have a consultation meeting first.

Chancer3001

Taking away the option to add extra dates harms everybody

Armchair Andy

How will they gauge demand now?

kippy

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Taking away the option to add extra dates harms everybody

Didn't take long.

SeanW

Some of them were just taking the piss, e.g. Aiken and Garth Brooks.

Berserker

recyclebin wrote: »

I think they can still sell tickets subject to licence. They just need to have a consultation meeting first.

Yes but they'll need to consult regarding the concert dates first. As per Seamus' post, the days of building up hype around a single concert and then adding extra dates are over.

Little CuChulainn

There will probably be a quango set up with 100 staff but only 2 working to process applications and 3 available for these new meetings. The rest will be in some managerial/health and safety role. The backlog will be massive and the whole thing will collapse.

darkpagandeath

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

There will probably be a quango set up with 100 staff but only 2 working to process applications and 3 available for these new meetings. The rest will be in some managerial/health and safety role. The backlog will be massive and the whole thing will collapse.

Or they could computerise it like Susi :pac:

The Dogs Bollix

I was reading this on journal.ie. Couldn't make head nor tails of it.

A pre consultation meeting. This means that promoters will have clear indications if a license is granted or not.

Local authorities can still refuse to grant a license. But have to make their decision four weeks before the event. This part I don't understand. If they can refuse to grant a license, are tickets still being sold subject to license?

Certain timeframes have been changed eg 13 weeks for the lodgement of a license application, it's currently 10.

It doesn't solve much. It's just a pre application meeting and certain timeframes changed.

mirrorwall14

From what they said on news talk because the legal process hasn't kicked off at that meeting the council can be blunt/honest about what is likely to be granted as opposed to last year when they weren't allowed to say. If Aiken were to turn up to that meeting mentioning 5 possible concerts the council can say look that's never going to happen, why not look for X amount. The time scale change is also to ensure sufficient time for a judicial review if the promotors insist

WoollyRedHat

I wish there was wholesale changes to our concert licensing laws.

K.Flyer

So the promoter is bringing over a big act, thinks to himself, "..I should easy get 2 nights out of this act, hmm maybe 4 "
Makes appointment with local council, "I want 6 nights for the act"
Local council say "not a hope you will get 3 and be glad of them"
Haggling commences and promoter most likely leaves with 4 nights.
Promoter advertises 1st night and has a few extra dates up his sleeve if sales are good and the act is available for them... :rolleyes:

SEPT 23 1989

Sometimes we seem like a grown up country bringing stuff like this in but im sure there will be a loophole

The Dogs Bollix

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

From what they said on news talk because the legal process hasn't kicked off at that meeting the council can be blunt/honest about what is likely to be granted as opposed to last year when they weren't allowed to say. If Aiken were to turn up to that meeting mentioning 5 possible concerts the council can say look that's never going to happen, why not look for X amount. The time scale change is also to ensure sufficient time for a judicial review if the promotors insist

So they kind of had a pre application meeting last year where the council were up for all 5 last year. They just backtracked at the last minute. Is this the same pre application meeting? But now its part of the license application. What's to to stop them from doing the same thing all over again later in the year/next year with 5 more. But only this time they gave the promoters clear indications that the license will be granted. It very well could happen again.

NachoBusiness

Ah you have to laugh. All this is doing is making what was unofficial, official.. as pre-application consultation meetings already took place. For example, council officials met with Aiken promotions in a hotel weeks before Aiken submitted the licence application, to discuss it. They were just informal discussions then and now in the future they will be formal. Therefore, should Owen Keegan (or anyone else) wish to phone a promoter three weeks before unlicensed concerts are due to take place, and refuse to licence them, they can and so the potential is still there for the calamity that occurred last year, to occur once again. This spit shine of the process has addressed feck all.

NachoBusiness

The Dogs Bollix wrote: »

So they kind of had a pre application meeting last year where the council were up for all 5 last year. They just backtracked at the last minute. Is this the same pre application meeting? But now its part of the license application. What's to to stop them from doing the same thing all over again later in the year/next year with 5 more. But only this time they gave the promoters clear indications that the license will be granted. It very well could happen again.

Precisely, and it just shows you how little people really know about what went on last year. Not surprising considering the constant spin to make people think that Croke Park and Aiken just decided upon themselves at the start of the year to hold five concerts, sold the tickets for them and the first DCC knew about it is when they received the licence application many months later.

The truth is that Croke Park contacted DCC (in Dec 2013) before they even made it public that Brooks would be playing one gig, let alone five of them. At any point DCC could have voiced their opposition to the gigs and they chose not to, no matter what they say.

Great that these meetings will now be official, and hopefully the minutes of them will be recorded to prevent any further 'he said, she said' type nonsense happening again, but lets not pretend pre application talks with councils were not already part of the application process, especially with regards to concerts which a large attendances as that would just be total and utter nonsense. Sure meetings have to take place with Gardai, venue and promoter before such concerts also. To imply that the initial contact between any promoter of concerts on the scale of last year's gigs and the council would have EVER been at the point of application, is farcical.

Predictable though.

dubscottie

Its what happened with Robbie Williams at the Aviva. The behind the scenes stuff is mad..

They can only do 3 nights a year there and they could not announce Robbie until they were sure Rhianna was not doing 2 nights and the much talked about, but never happened (thankfully) Coldplay concert was not going ahead.

If the wanted to do more than 3 nights in a year in the Aviva then they MUST apply for permission..

Why this was never a condition for Croke Park also I don't know..

I was in the know about Robbie and nobody believed me!

The Dogs Bollix

The new license regulations hasn't solved much. The only thing they won't be doing again is trying for five consecutive nights. But there will be more than three. Not sure if the residents can come out and protest because they have to be consulted too. But I think they will make things as difficult as possible regardless. When you deal with a large number of people, you can't make them all happy.

Can't believe they never increased the price of submissions after all the bogus submissions last year. That leaves it open to abuse again.