Paddock trampled

Charliebull

Let cows into paddock which was far too strong, they have the thing trampled into ****e, too strong too top now,

What best options to recover the thing at this stage, have to move on really as next paddock ( let's say A) is getting strong and one after that is to light to move into

Could I cut the one their in and make them eat the clippings and bale the next one (A)

Sam Kade

You could pre mow the next paddock just cut enough 12 hours in advance and strip graze it, is it suckler or dairy cows?

http://www.forum4farming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7775

freedominacup

Charliebull wrote: »

Let cows into paddock which was far too strong, they have the thing trampled into ****e, too strong too top now,

What best options to recover the thing at this stage, have to move on really as next paddock ( let's say A) is getting strong and one after that is to light to move into

Could I cut the one their in and make them eat the clippings and bale the next one (A)

Have they got it trampled or have they just grazed the choice bits and are walking the rest? Would you have been as upset by this other years before you were paddock grazing? If they have any sort of a grazing job done on it I'd move them on and bale this one next time around. If not I think I'd be forcing the issue with them. Make them clean out the paddock and mow the next one today. Keep the mower a bit higher than for normal silage and by the time the paddock they're in is cleaned out the second next one should have a reasonable cover on it. Everyone screws up on the rotation at some point in the year. The trick is not to compound it by allowing the screw up to knock on further into the rotation.

Charliebull

Sam Kade wrote: »

You could pre mow the next paddock just cut enough 12 hours in advance and strip graze it, is it suckler or dairy cows?

http://www.forum4farming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7775

thanks, sucklers, dont think this would work for my dolls, the would just ****e on it, they are in good nick too which might not force them

freedominacup wrote: »

Have they got it trampled or have they just grazed the choice bits and are walking the rest? Would you have been as upset by this other years before you were paddock grazing? If they have any sort of a grazing job done on it I'd move them on and bale this one next time around. If not I think I'd be forcing the issue with them. Make them clean out the paddock and mow the next one today. Keep the mower a bit higher than for normal silage and by the time the paddock they're in is cleaned out the second next one should have a reasonable cover on it. Everyone screws up on the rotation at some point in the year. The trick is not to compound it by allowing the screw up to knock on further into the rotation.

cheers, prob wouldnt have happened as bad prior to the paddocks, the grazing block for some reason this year has exploded, way ahead of silage ground and only got slurry, cant keep up and already have baled 3 paddocks

i knew when i opened the fence i shouldnt have, but thats a bit like the drunken fumble

id think move them on as highlighted above and let it recover, they have grazed the choice bits and walked the rest, how long would i leave before bailing it, usually a 3 week rotation

Count Mondego

Charliebull wrote: »

cheers, prob wouldnt have happened as bad prior to the paddocks, the grazing block for some reason this year has exploded, way ahead of silage ground and only got slurry, cant keep up and already have baled 3 paddocks

i knew when i opened the fence i shouldnt have, but thats a bit like the drunken fumble

Same happened with me. the mistake I made was to let them into a field that was on the verge of going strong, and strip grazing it to make them eat it. In the space of 4 days the grass doubled and the next two fields had to be baled. Enough silage now to do me up to 2017. Good complaint to have.

The most important thing for my farm is that there 40% of the grazing block that cannot be cut and baled, and to make sure this never goes wild. And yes, it happened me before.

_Brian

After a good grass usage year last year we're out of whack here completely, very late turnout, understocked, and all grass came in at once. also blocks not suitable for mowing.
We're eating out as much as is practical and then topping the rest, its not pretty, but needs must. Yearling heifers so don't want to hold them back by making them eat out blocks of grass too much.

Growing way more grass than 5 years ago when the land was neglected and many fields spun out through over use of high N fertilizer..

Deepsouthwest

freedominacup wrote: »

Have they got it trampled or have they just grazed the choice bits and are walking the rest? Would you have been as upset by this other years before you were paddock grazing? If they have any sort of a grazing job done on it I'd move them on and bale this one next time around. If not I think I'd be forcing the issue with them. Make them clean out the paddock and mow the next one today. Keep the mower a bit higher than for normal silage and by the time the paddock they're in is cleaned out the second next one should have a reasonable cover on it. Everyone screws up on the rotation at some point in the year. The trick is not to compound it by allowing the screw up to knock on further into the rotation.

Good advice again from freedom. I'd even bale the nxt paddock theyre due into as well, no point in carrying the problem forward with u

frazzledhome

Charliebull wrote: »

Let cows into paddock which was far too strong, they have the thing trampled into ****e, too strong too top now,

What best options to recover the thing at this stage, have to move on really as next paddock ( let's say A) is getting strong and one after that is to light to move into

Could I cut the one their in and make them eat the clippings and bale the next one (A)

Start at the one they're in and walk back starting where they came from. Count the grazings and once you get 14 grazings mow and bale from there back. With one trampled do as Free says and put bales one side or different colour plastic and feed to dry cows during winter

just do it

And start grass measuring . You'd have bales taken out before it gets out of hand. Takes a while to trust the grass to grow rather than seeing 2-3 weeks ahead of you iykwim

Charliebull

frazzledhome wrote: »

Start at the one they're in and walk back starting where they came from. Count the grazings and once you get 14 grazings mow and bale from there back. With one trampled do as Free says and put bales one side or different colour plastic and feed to dry cows during winter

ok but how long recovery if any to current trampled paddock prior bailing

Charliebull

just do it wrote: »

And start grass measuring . You'd have bales taken out before it gets out of hand. Takes a while to trust the grass to grow rather than seeing 2-3 weeks ahead of you iykwim

i knew i should have baled the fcuker, but its this old school mentality that i cant get away from, having lots grass in front, need to trust the instincts a bit more,

Muckit

My biggest mistake this year was topping a few hairy paddocks and then putting slurry out on top.4 weeks later and powerful grass coming now but can't bale with the ****ty toppings. Live and learn.

frazzledhome

Charliebull wrote: »

ok but how long recovery if any to current trampled paddock prior bailing

Let the cow shytes dry out. The sooner you mow after that the better. Get it back in rotation. Have you a pic

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Let the cow shytes dry out. The sooner you mow after that the better. Get it back in rotation. Have you a pic

We baled a paddock the day after ciws left it. Was way to strong fir grazing. We have them marked but anytime we had to do it before we could find no cow ****e in them

Farmer Pudsey

There are sucklers. Strip graze them through it.. When they are hungry they will eat it.. With this type of grass there is three answers strip graze, now and graze or stock at a low rate and graze out.. I give them 1\4 of it and force them to graze it out. I was in the position 5 weeks ago that grass was tight on grass I has to graze a silage field. You have to gauge how much they will eat and give them that strip. They will eat it down that way. It's amazing how much extra grass you have when you got with paddocks

Good loser

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

There are sucklers. Strip graze them through it.. When they are hungry they will eat it.. With this type of grass there is three answers strip graze, now and graze or stock at a low rate and graze out.. I give them 1\4 of it and force them to graze it out. I was in the position 5 weeks ago that grass was tight on grass I has to graze a silage field. You have to gauge how much they will eat and give them that strip. They will eat it down that way. It's amazing how much extra grass you have when you got with paddocks

Probably agree with that. Depends on how many stock and how large the paddock; may not be worthwhile stripping it. You could always let a few cattle onto the second next paddock.

Cut the next paddock - leave for a week or two if necessary.

frazzledhome

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

There are sucklers. Strip graze them through it.. When they are hungry they will eat it.. With this type of grass there is three answers strip graze, now and graze or stock at a low rate and graze out.. I give them 1\4 of it and force them to graze it out. I was in the position 5 weeks ago that grass was tight on grass I has to graze a silage field. You have to gauge how much they will eat and give them that strip. They will eat it down that way. It's amazing how much extra grass you have when you got with paddocks

Thing is he's not tight on grass and all paddocks will be like this one if he strips it and delays them any longer.

Since when should sucklers be treated any differently than a dairy cow. I'd say top class grass to all animals except drys for all the season. It goes wrong occasionally but that must be the aim as its not grown for free

CloughCasey1

I have the same problem. Have all paddocks in one acre blocks and 4 are gone into meadows. Couldn't let contractor into them. Reclaimed land from nothing last week yr but topping with an old rotamower is as much plant id let into it yet. I have the first paddock strip grazed about 15-20feet a day. I'm happy with the cleaning they have given it and will top this evening. They seem to lie back in the first strip for some reason so most of the s***e is at the start. If I let them inot it fully they would have destroyed it. Will keep going this way until im out of it and sucks are older and stronger to take up the slack.

Charliebull

frazzledhome wrote: »

Thing is he's not tight on grass and all paddocks will be like this one if he strips it and delays them any longer.

Since when should sucklers be treated any differently than a dairy cow. I'd say top class grass to all animals except drys for all the season. It goes wrong occasionally but that must be the aim as its not grown for free

my thought exactly, if i hold them tight then all my paddocks will be gone to fcuk, i dont believe in pushing the cows, let them have the grass, you will see it in the calves later and they will come in heat quicker also, when calves get stronger then they will forward graze the cows but until then equal rights for all

moved them last night, contractor booked for saturday to mow it and wrap it monday, will put them in a separate pile and bales will do at weaning

every day is a school day

ellewood

Charliebull wrote: »

my thought exactly, if i hold them tight then all my paddocks will be gone to fcuk, i dont believe in pushing the cows, let them have the grass, you will see it in the calves later and they will come in heat quicker also, when calves get stronger then they will forward graze the cows but until then equal rights for all

moved them last night, contractor booked for saturday to mow it and wrap it monday, will put them in a separate pile and bales will do at weaning

every day is a school day

Is it not going to piss rain on Sat and Sun ? 😆

Charliebull

ellewood wrote: »

Is it not going to piss rain on Sat and Sun ? 😆

forecast for here looks ok for sunday and monday,

rain will wash the ****e outa it anyway

frazzledhome

ellewood wrote: »

Is it not going to piss rain on Sat and Sun ? 😆

If there's a God. I've ordered a load of 18/6/12 to go out. Hadn't the balls to order urea as may not rain, probably piss now

ellewood

frazzledhome wrote: »

If there's a God. I've ordered a load of 18/6/12 to go out. Hadn't the balls to order urea as may not rain, probably piss now

I'm going cutting in the hope of some rain ha

Tbf even without any rain in 3-4 weeks GR here has kept going and grass has stayed green, unlike the last 2 years - I'm putting it down the the Sulphur spread this year !!

frazzledhome

ellewood wrote: »

I'm going cutting in the hope of some rain ha

Tbf even without any rain in 3-4 weeks GR here has kept going and grass has stayed green, unlike the last 2 years - I'm putting it down the the Sulphur spread this year !!

My neighbour has second cut ready and we were ripping him in the pub that its fit to cut as you can be guaranteed rain if he does

Deepsouthwest

frazzledhome wrote: »

My neighbour has second cut ready and we were ripping him in the pub that its fit to cut as you can be guaranteed rain if he does

My father used to say that a neighbour of ours never failed to break the weather when he'd cut his hay!

Farmer Pudsey

frazzledhome wrote: »

Thing is he's not tight on grass and all paddocks will be like this one if he strips it and delays them any longer.

Since when should sucklers be treated any differently than a dairy cow. I'd say top class grass to all animals except drys for all the season. It goes wrong occasionally but that must be the aim as its not grown for free

I was only referring to dealing with paddock that was trampled. No point in leaving it behind force them to clean it out by either striping grazing it or giving them sections. Then skip paddocksanfbale behind you.

Farmer Pudsey

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I have the same problem. Have all paddocks in one acre blocks and 4 are gone into meadows. Couldn't let contractor into them. Reclaimed land from nothing last week yr but topping with an old rotamower is as much plant id let into it yet. I have the first paddock strip grazed about 15-20feet a day. I'm happy with the cleaning they have given it and will top this evening. They seem to lie back in the first strip for some reason so most of the s***e is at the start. If I let them inot it fully they would have destroyed it. Will keep going this way until im out of it and sucks are older and stronger to take up the slack.

This is the thing about strip grazing in dry weather cattle go back on bare dry warm ground to lie on. Especially as other choice is prickly stemmy lie on grass that they were given that day. Can you cut part of the paddocks ahead and bale. This will help to get rotation back in line faster than spending a few wek grazing

CloughCasey1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

This is the thing about strip grazing in dry weather cattle go back on bare dry warm ground to lie on. Especially as other choice is prickly stemmy lie on grass that they were given that day. Can you cut part of the paddocks ahead and bale. This will help to get rotation back in line faster than spending a few wek grazing

Rang contractor last night and will cut 2 acres of the roughish ground with pz mower this morning. Turn it tomorrow and row it sat morning. He said he has no problem picking it up with fusion and said most lads would have let him mowed it.