A good read

spacecoyote

http://www.adamyounggolf.com/#!GOLFERS-quit-taking-advice-from-your-friends/cdmo/557dc6300cf2eb01de3d70ff

Some advice on here anyone new to the game or not even too new to the game!

Dtoffee

Have to say .... thats some load of waffle !

If Mr Young has all the answers, we would all be Rorys :pac: .... Bubba 'never had a lesson' Watson must give him nightmares

Being a professional golf teacher, of course he is going to try and attract customers by slagging off people who try to help their friends BUT he is wrong in his thinking.... there is plenty of room for everyone's opinions and advice.

If we were all to stop advising and commenting to our friends, the game would quickly get very boring and people would just quit.... the fun is in the fact that we can all be experts every now and again after a good round

ShivasIrons

Dtoffee wrote: »

Have to say .... thats some load of waffle !

If Mr Young has all the answers, we would all be Rorys :pac: .... Bubba 'never had a lesson' Watson must give him nightmares

Are you sure Bubba Watson never had a lesson?

SaveOurLyric

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Are you sure Bubba Watson never had a lesson?

Apparently so.

SaveOurLyric

I think friendly advice is as useless as that of a pro, so no harm or benefit one way or the other.

A thousand different swings work well. Pros have yet to explain what makes a good golf swing - they dont understand it. Most end up teaching it because of the random and unrelated fact that they can hit it pretty well themselves (but not well enough to compete with those who can really hit it well...), but dont know how they do it, how to convey that to someone else, and worse, dont even know if teaching someone else to play well is even possible.

ShivasIrons

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Apparently so.

He was shown how to hold the club correctly at a young age, he also spent a lot of time attending junior golf camps while growing up.

He currently has a fitness trainer.

All these count as instruction, don't believe what you hear.

Also never, ever listen to someone who says keep your head down, it's the most useless piece of instruction of all time.

JIdontknow

Bubba claims he never had a lesson, ( had one when small from his dad) and that at a young age he was given a 9 iron and learnt to play shots around his house and the trees, that's where he claims he learnt to shape the ball both ways.

http://www.bubbawatsongolf.com/about/

benny79

Hey space,

I take it you read the book what do you think of it?
Haven't read it myself, but it does seem to be everywhere and getting good reviews Mark Crossfield was tweeting it on twitter and others. So he either has people in the know or a really good marketing team or maybe its just a good book

£16.99 on Amazon is a bit steep for a book IMO, I see when I'm finished reading the other 5 books on golf, I got sucked into buying

TrapperChamonix

What always amazes me is that it only takes good 2 shots by your playing partner before he decides that he needs to share his wisdom with everyone else.
Only in Golf do we feel the need / feel qualified to give advice when we are patently unfit to do so. Tennis, snooker, football, rugby, etc etc, you would never give advice to someone else.

From what I've read on that link I think what he says is entirely within my own experience of the game and he's right. Especially parents interfering with their kids swings.

ShivasIrons

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

I think friendly advice is as useless as that of a pro, so no harm or benefit one way or the other.

A thousand different swings work well. Pros have yet to explain what makes a good golf swing - they dont understand it. Most end up teaching it because of the random and unrelated fact that they can hit it pretty well themselves (but not well enough to compete with those who can really hit it well...), but dont know how they do it, how to convey that to someone else, and worse, dont even know if teaching someone else to play well is even possible.

Can you quantify these comments more?

Particularly 'pros have yet to explain what makes a good golf swing'.

Teaching pros are trained, quite a high number spend their life studying the golf swing and golf, they do know what is required for a good golf swing, what motions are required, what's required at impact and if you change something how that will affect the swing and the resultant golf shot.

Most of your playing partners have no clue and this leads to inane advice like keep your head down, straighten your left arm etc., etc. which leads to more harm then good.

Wombatman

Some of the people I play with have been playing for years and are good golfers. They have tried many different grips, stances, backswings and clubs etc ets. I would see their experience as being very valuable.

I would trust some of them to show a complete newbie the correct grip, stance and swing basics.

Not sure what this guy is driving at, but I would trust the advice of the experienced golfers I play with more than that of a website flogging an online book called "Golf Hacks - 16 ways to knock shots off your score INSTANTLY"

'Never and always' don't work in golf.

newport2

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Most of your playing partners have no clue and this leads to inane advice like keep your head down, straighten your left arm etc., etc. which leads to more harm then good.

"The less skilled the player, the more likely he is to share his ideas about the golf swing."

Anonymous

PARlance

newport2 wrote: »

"The less skilled the player, the more likely he is to share his ideas about the golf swing."

Anonymous

Anonymous.... aren't they the crowd of ahem... Hackers

I'm here all night

FixdePitchmark

Higher handicap lads loving giving me advice.

To be honest, some of it was very good.

Dtoffee

ShivasIrons wrote: »

He was shown how to hold the club correctly at a young age, he also spent a lot of time attending junior golf camps while growing up.

He currently has a fitness trainer.

All these count as instruction, don't believe what you hear.

Also never, ever listen to someone who says keep your head down, it's the most useless piece of instruction of all time.

My kids attended junior golf camps, has anyone got the name of a good fitness trainer that will turn them into masters winners :rolleyes: ........ its too easy on this thread


Ps as Greg Norman once reputedly said when asked about his pro am partner: if you suffer from loft, golf is not the game for you

SaveOurLyric

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Can you quantify these comments more?
Particularly 'pros have yet to explain what makes a good golf swing'.

No one, let alone pros, and unfortunately not even those more capable of analysing it, scientists, have provided a solid and cogent explanation to explain what makes a good swing.

Pros are generally those who end up teaching it because they have, probably from a young age, shown themselves good a swinging a club. Not because they understand the swing, or beyond that, can communicate it and teach others to do the same. So they are in effect 'amateurs' at teaching golf.

There is a new 'theory' or secret revealed on how to swing well every month, and has been since the game went global a hundred years ago. And we are no further on.

Generally the current best players (usually THE best, not just those in the top 10 or 100, who are even then, only a minute proportion of those who can play in the top 1% of golfers), are taken as the template. And positions aped and taught as 'correct'. Yet golfers have played extraordinarily well with 'wrong' swings, which compared to the taught dogma of whatever era, shold not have worked: Darcy, Floyd, Trevino, Daly, Furyk, Duval, Bubba. And many many more from the pro ranks or the plus men. So if you can still play elite golf while playing counter to the 'correct' way, then those claiming the 'correct' way is the way to play good golf are talking through their hats.

The amount of technical drivel spouted by pros through all media is mind blowing. The amount of out and out incorrect analysis and explanation that is standard jargon in the industry is enormous. Most of it could can be demolished with ease by anyone with leaving cert physics : pick up any golf book. (Almost - a handful written by engineers or physicists are more rigorous on this front, yet still dont really solve the puzzle). Stuff like 'accelerating though impact', 'storing the energy', 'multiplying speed' (Hogan!), 'fewer moving parts' (unless you cut an arm off...), 'creating lag', etc. Its amateur hour.

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Teaching pros are trained, quite a high number spend their life studying the golf swing and golf, they do know what is required for a good golf swing, what motions are required, what's required at impact and if you change something how that will affect the swing and the resultant golf shot.

Most of your playing partners have no clue and this leads to inane advice like keep your head down, straighten your left arm etc., etc. which leads to more harm then good.

Training in itself of of no benefit, if those providing the training do not know what they are teaching, and it has no basis. Plenty of course out there in astrology if you like, and people spend their lives 'studying' it. Doesnt mean they have anything worthwhile to say.