Tyres : Goodyear Eagle f1 question

wersal gummage

Hi,

I see a lot of stuff here about tyres, sorry to add to that.

Had pretty much decided to go for 4x goodyear Eagle f1 (245 40 18). I want the rim protection though.

The regular tyre is approximately 100 sterling / 140 euro. The rim protection version is 175 euro.... Goodyear seems to use MFS to denote rim protection. I've found one site offering the tyre in FP (flange protection) for 100 sterling. However, none of the other websites have an FP variant and all are selling a non rim protection tyre for 100 sterling.

Is the FP just the standard tyre? Does anybody know?

Secondly, is it worth the extra for the rim protection? I can get dunlop sport maxx with the rim protection for about 130 euro per tyre, they seem to get mixed reviews but mostly quite positive. Are the goodyear worth 40 extra per tyre?

Thanks!

Supergurrier

Buy from camskill.

You want the 92Y FP TL XL variant by the looks of it.

George Dalton

That rim protector does SFA as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be paying extra for it anyway.

wersal gummage

Supergurrier wrote: »

Buy from camskill.

You want the 92Y FP TL XL variant by the looks of it.

It's 93Y and I don't need the XL version, but yeah it's camskill that I was referring to. No other website mentions the FP in the tyre description, they all refer to MFS for the goodyear and it costs quite a bit more.

Very hard to compare across websites when they use different terminology for the same tyres. The same tyres are also given different fuel efficiency and wet grip ratings on different sites as well......

wersal gummage

George Dalton wrote: »

That rim protector does SFA as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be paying extra for it anyway.

OK thanks. I wouldn't expect it to do much but just got the wheels refurbished and was hoping it might offer some degree of extra protection.... I find some of the high rise multistorey car parks can be a hoor to get around.

Supergurrier

I opt for XL even on a light hatch. The sidewalls on the non XL are very thin.

George Dalton

What kind of car are they going on? A4?

wersal gummage

George Dalton wrote: »

What kind of car are they going on? A4?

An old bmw e60 523i.

wersal gummage

Sorry to drag this up again.

If the rim protection option on tyres is rubbish, can anyone comment on 'alloy gators' ? There's very little in the way of reviews I can find about them online.

Thanks

challengemaster

Honestly I'd be more worried about where you're getting to fit the tyres. More than likely they'll get ruined by some ape while the tyres are being put on.

wersal gummage

I hear ya. I just had the wheels refurbished and lads who refurbished them will be fitting tyres for me. So confident it will be done right. Just curious whether anyone has anything positive to say about either the rim protection tyres or those alloy gator things (never heard of them before but saw someone on here mention them a few days ago)

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

From experience the F1's are very grippy but have soft sidewalls so are a bit wallowy if you corner hard. I wouldn't buy them again purely because of this.

challengemaster

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

From experience the F1's are very grippy but have soft sidewalls so are a bit wallowy if you corner hard. I wouldn't buy them again purely because of this.

Can't say I ever found the F1's wallowey at all, under what I would determine extreme cornering :pac:

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

I definitely felt it. It was actually quite pronounced. Mk5 gti on 17" OE wheels.

challengemaster

Touch of fwd understeer, perhaps? E46 with 18" 225/40/18's all round.

wersal gummage

Thanks, interesting.

An earlier poster mentioned getting XL tyres as a result of sidewall... Wonder would that address any wallowing issues.

I wouldn't be a particularly aggressive driver but would probably corner quite hard on occasion, wouldn't be prone to major acceleration or braking on public roads but would deliberately hang back from traffic on occasion just to be able to throw it around a few bends.

Very much open to alternative tyre suggestions.

Edit: 245/40/18

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

challengemaster wrote: »

Touch of fwd understeer, perhaps? E46 with 18" 225/40/18's all round.

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure it was the tyres.

I never imagined that fwd/rwd would make any difference to a tyre's performance/ behaviour?

Still a good and very grippy tyre though.

challengemaster

wersal gummage wrote: »

Very much open to alternative tyre suggestions.

Honestly, there are no better tyres you can put on a road vehicle for grip.

wersal gummage

challengemaster wrote: »

Honestly, there are no better tyres you can put on a road vehicle for grip.

That's very interesting as they come in at the lower end of the price range. Not disputing what you are saying, and it ties in with all the online reviews I've seen. But I wonder whether they are so highly rated because they are more frequently purchased due to the relatively low price.... Either way think I'll go with them

challengemaster

wersal gummage wrote: »

That's very interesting as they come in at the lower end of the price range. Not disputing what you are saying, and it ties in with all the online reviews I've seen. But I wonder whether they are so highly rated because they are more frequently purchased due to the relatively low price.... Either way think I'll go with them

I'm basing this off having tried most of the competitors tbh. Thankfully I've never had to pay a premium for the others - the local place essentially price matched the F1's if they had no stock.

Bridgestone Potenza RE050a
Uniroyal Rainsport 3
Dunlop SP-01 sport
Continental SportContact 5
Michelin Pilot Sport 3

They're all fantastic tyres, but the only ones I felt came close to the F1's were the Dunlops.

Popoutman

I had a full set of the F1 GSD tyres, about 5-6 years ago now. Absolutely fantastic grip in the dry, pretty good in the damp. The grip disappeared when the tread went to ~3mm depth, and they started tramlining badly on road camber. I changed them for Bridgestone Potenzas, and the tramlining disappeared - it wasn't a case of worn suspension components.
The F1s were the best tyre I put on the car for outright grip, but the value I got from them was abysmal, given the higher cost and lack of longevity I got from them at about 5000 miles before they stopped gripping properly.
This was on my A4 avant tdi, 205/55R16.
I know that the lower profile and wider tyre versions are a bit better engineered with my experience of F1s under my MR2

wersal gummage

Popoutman wrote: »

I had a full set of the F1 GSD tyres, about 5-6 years ago now. Absolutely fantastic grip in the dry, pretty good in the damp. The grip disappeared when the tread went to ~3mm depth, and they started tramlining badly on road camber. I changed them for Bridgestone Potenzas, and the tramlining disappeared - it wasn't a case of worn suspension components.
The F1s were the best tyre I put on the car for outright grip, but the value I got from them was abysmal, given the higher cost and lack of longevity I got from them at about 5000 miles before they stopped gripping properly.
This was on my A4 avant tdi, 205/55R16.
I know that the lower profile and wider tyre versions are a bit better engineered with my experience of F1s under my MR2

Are you saying a set of these tyres will last about 5 thousand miles? Jesus.

challengemaster

wersal gummage wrote: »

Are you saying a set of these tyres will last about 5 thousand miles? Jesus.

Mine were fúcked in 5k miles, but only because of alignment/suspension issues. Thread wise there was still a few mm on them. 7,5-8k I reckon would be normal for a set of these. You might be able to stretch that a bit to 10k if you're the kind thats easy on tyres anyway or have a car that doesn't eat tyres.

Short life is the price you pay for grip though

wersal gummage

challengemaster wrote: »

Mine were fúcked in 5k miles, but only because of alignment/suspension issues. Thread wise there was still a few mm on them. 7,5-8k I reckon would be normal for a set of these. You might be able to stretch that a bit to 10k if you're the kind thats easy on tyres anyway or have a car that doesn't eat tyres.

Short life is the price you pay for grip though

That's mad. I drove high performance motorbikes for years and 2k kms would be fine on a bike, but 5k miles on car tyres is not acceptable. Not for an average saloon car.

tossy

Apart from one set of 17" F1 asymmetries i've always got more than 11k out of a full set in 225/40/18 guise on reasonably powerful 4wd cars.