Hot hatch

bobbyobob

I'm a 22 year old on a graduates wage.

Looking to upgrade wheels thinking along lines of a Skoda Rapid Sport, Toyota Auris Sport or Seat Leon. Must be diesel as I do some distance driving (Dublin to Waterford) and ideally 2011 up.

Advice welcome

Sh1tbag OToole

VRS TDI

AMKC

Check out the Renault Megane Coupe,Opel Astra Coupe and 3dr VW Golf. Much nicer cars to look at and nice to drive to with good diesel engines the Renault one being the best then maybe the VW then the Opel. Why restrict yourself to a boring 5door car when you do not need one yet. Go for a coupe or a nice 3door while you can.

Hachiko

check out insurance first.

bazz26

The thread title is in serious breach of the trade's descriptions act and should be changed. None of the cars mentioned so far are hot hatches.

testicle

And there's not sporty about any of the Sport models in the OP

vectra

Corsa OPC

MuppetCheck

Diesels are hot hatches now? News to me...

Either way what's the budget firstly? Newer model Leon FR is the best of the cars mentioned in your post.

No Voter And Proud

Why not consider something a little left field
I know of someone who has a diesel hatch that he can break the speed limit in third gear so it's no pudding on the straights at least i mean you might be a little surprised to think that about a renault but its pretty fast he tells alot about keeping up with traffic in the fast lane on the m8 and its diesel so worth thinking about for you OP i mean we'd all like a petrol but thats life eh

However you cannot call a diesel a hot hatch its a warm repmobile tractor with three doors

vectra

No Voter And Proud wrote: »

Why not consider something a little left field
I know of someone who has a diesel hatch that he can break the speed limit in third gear so it's no pudding on the straights at least i mean you might be a little surprised to think that about a renault but its pretty fast he tells alot about keeping up with traffic in the fast lane on the m8 and its diesel so worth thinking about for you OP i mean we'd all like a petrol but thats life eh

However you cannot call a diesel a hot hatch its a warm repmobile tractor with three doors

Repmobile with 3 doors?
Thats a new one I'd say.

No Voter And Proud

vectra wrote: »

Repmobile with 3 doors?
Thats a new one I'd say.

Economobile, whatever you want to call it.
I just take severe issue with the use of the word hot hatch for diesels.
Hot hatches are like the 205 GTI, Golf GTI etc, not a diesel.

YbFocus

Its honestly a complete joke to call diesel hatchbacks hot hatches.
Like it's not the same as an st, 197 or s3.

It's a diesel econobox, no power and not meant to be fast.
The manufacturers put "sport" on it and people sh1t themselves thinking they are driving an rs.

I would say the vrs cars are nippy though in fairness.


Rant over, sorry it just annoys me.

No Voter And Proud

YbFocus wrote: »

Its honestly a complete joke to call diesel hatchbacks hot hatches.
Like it's not the same as an st, 197 or s3.

It's a diesel econobox, no power and not meant to be fast.
The manufacturers put "sport" on it and people sh1t themselves thinking they are driving an rs.

I would say the vrs cars are nippy though in fairness.


Rant over, sorry it just annoys me.

Finally another one ranting on this subject apart from me I mean with the new focus for instance they should have just had the balls to call it the STD because that's what it is a misuse of what has become a great name!

MuppetCheck

YbFocus wrote: »

Its honestly a complete joke to call diesel hatchbacks hot hatches.
Like it's not the same as an st, 197 or s3.

It's a diesel econobox, no power and not meant to be fast.
The manufacturers put "sport" on it and people sh1t themselves thinking they are driving an rs.

I would say the vrs cars are nippy though in fairness.


Rant over, sorry it just annoys me.

Even on the VRS, ST, FR and the like it annoys me that they are badged the same. I know it's cashing in on whatever the petrol models mean but at the same time it's ruining the petrol models name.

I like the way VW have done it with the GTD and made minor visual changes though. It makes sense that way...they are warm hatches and that's it.

Supergurrier

Feeling hot hot hot

Caliden

No Voter And Proud wrote: »

Why not consider something a little left field
I know of someone who has a diesel hatch that he can break the speed limit in third gear so it's no pudding on the straights at least i mean you might be a little surprised to think that about a renault but its pretty fast he tells alot about keeping up with traffic in the fast lane on the m8 and its diesel so worth thinking about for you OP i mean we'd all like a petrol but thats life eh

However you cannot call a diesel a hot hatch its a warm repmobile tractor with three doors

A civic type R ( K20 variants) would break the speed limit by the end of first gear.

Notch000

if your a graduate and your on a graduate wage & are looking for something 'hot', its should be small, fast & cheap, petrol, ideally French and 10+ yrs old, get somehting cheap and cheerful in that bracket, its a byers market,

civic, 306 GTI, clio 172/182, etc etc

any of the above would take you comfortably around the world, don't mind Waterford to Dublin return

No Voter And Proud

What about a clio v6? Mid engined rwd hot hatch.
Or a M edition BMW 1 series?

166man

No diesel, irrespective of how many turbos it has will ever be a hot hatch.

If you go for a drive up to Glendalough or to the Vee for example, a diesel is absolutely useless (slight overexageration but you get the point). Try keeping the car in third to access the power band and you run out of puff at 3k revs. You then change to 4th get a short burst, approach the next bend, have to slow down change down and go again. It's no fun at all.

A good petrol you can enjoy far more. Newer diesels are impressive enough for diesels but it really grinds my gears when someone calls a 1.6 diesel fast and sporty, because they just aren't.

Now excuse me while I go out to enjoy some petrol goodness this Friday afternoon....:pac:

Hachiko

No Voter And Proud wrote: »

What about a clio v6? Mid engined rwd hot hatch.
Or a M edition BMW 1 series?

A M1 BMW or a v6 for a student.. Knock, knock.

bobbyobob

Loose naming.. looking to get something sporty, diesel, reasonable and presentable for a professional environment as I do use my car as a work car on occasion

JJJJNR

166man wrote: »

If you go for a drive up to Glendalough or to the Vee for example, a diesel is absolutely useless (slight overexageration but you get the point). Try keeping the car in third to access the power band and you run out of puff at 3k revs. You then change to 4th get a short burst, approach the next bend, have to slow down change down and go again. It's no fun at all.

I've a diesel and its by no means a hot hatch, but it does not drive like that, the CR engines from what I've seen are terrible from a drivers perspective the older gen PD are definitely a sportier drive than the newer ones. I was totally underwhelmed with the 150bhp 2.0Cr in the leon FR, although fast, it was much more like a n/a petrol and found my own even with the huge mileage, and 10bhp less, much more of a drivers car.

CianRyan

Hachiko wrote: »

A M1 BMW or a v6 for a student.. Knock, knock.

I've known a lot of students with V6's, a lot with straight 6's and even a few with V12's.
You need to stop worrying about what other people are driving.

Are you just pissed off because you've got an IS250 and not an ISF?

"No, no, no. If I can't have what I want, then I'll tell everyone else they're silly for wanting anything nice. :mad: "
Honestly, that's how I picture you sometimes.

CianRyan

bobbyobob wrote: »

Loose naming.. looking to get something sporty, diesel, reasonable and presentable for a professional environment as I do use my car as a work car on occasion

You're not going to get sporty and diesel.
Pick one.

MuppetCheck

JJJJNR wrote: »

I've a diesel and its by no means a hot hatch, but it does not drive like that, the CR engines from what I've seen are terrible from a drivers perspective the older gen PD are definitely a sportier drive than the newer ones. I was totally underwhelmed with the 150bhp 2.0Cr in the leon FR, although fast, it was much more like a n/a petrol and found my own even with the huge mileage, and 10bhp less, much more of a drivers car.

The older ones have a shorter powerband and feel faster as a result. Whereas the newer ones pull to just under 4.5k which is better than the PD and relatively good...in diesel terms anyway.

MuppetCheck

bobbyobob wrote: »

Loose naming.. looking to get something sporty, diesel, reasonable and presentable for a professional environment as I do use my car as a work car on occasion

Sounds like you want something relatively pokey and diesel.

Golf GTD
Leon FR
2.2 Auris
Octavia VRS

Any of the above will do the job.

Hachiko

CianRyan wrote: »

I've known a lot of students with V6's, a lot with straight 6's and even a few with V12's.
You need to stop worrying about what other people are driving.

Are you just pissed off because you've got an IS250 and not an ISF?

"No, no, no. If I can't have what I want, then I'll tell everyone else they're silly for wanting anything nice. :mad: "
Honestly, that's how I picture you sometimes.

No idea why you are having a dig at me (amongst with several others tbh) pretty sure loads of people would like a ISF (owning one a rather different story), as for suggestions here, its mainly bordering on LOL but whatever.

Diesels are never going to be a hot hatch in the first place as mentioned several times, the majority of students will never get a chance to own and insure a V6/ M series BMW etc and the OP said specifically a daysul for long distance driving so I was left under no illusion on that front.

Unless he comes out and says otherwise in which case i would recommend a Honda Civic Type R as being a bona fide hot hatch

vectra

Mk1 Fabia vRS

JJJJNR

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The older ones have a shorter powerband and feel faster as a result. Whereas the newer ones pull to just under 4.5k which is better than the PD and relatively good...in diesel terms anyway.

yeah, its subjectively better, its way more liner as opposed to getting that low end shove, which is a nice trait. Maybe I'm being bias when I say it, but I do prefer the previous gen, but its not just the new VAG stuff I think most of the common rail diesels are like that.

chriity139

Only hot hatches I would look for would be

1. ek9
2. ep3
3. clio 172/182/197
4. Mini cooper s works
5. ek4
6. Golf gti

As said above none of the so called diesel hot hatches are ever going to be considered hot hatches. Go out and get yourself a proper one and you will never look back

Ferris

Not a hot hatch but the Suzuki Swift Sports are supposed to be great fun to drive and get 40mpg. I would imagine they're reliable too and personally I like the styling more than other hot hatches.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/suzuki-swift-sport/9173897?offset=4


Other than that the Fiesta ST 'gets' 47mpg ;-)

JC01

Fd2 civic, almost as economical as a diesel on a long spin and 100x more fun. Plus a standerdish one is presentable in the car park in work.

Sh1tbag OToole

People judge others by how 'presentable' their car is?

bazz26

CianRyan

I hate the idea that you'd need a certain type of car for a certain business.
Drive what you want and **** them if they don't like you.

166man

CianRyan wrote: »

I hate the idea that you'd need a certain type of car for a certain business.
Drive what you want and **** them if they don't like you.

Unfortunately that's the way the Corporate image is. If I show up to a big multinational in a lowered, loud Civic, looking for their business then I can't really tell them to fcuk off can I? If you show up in a respectable saloon, even a 166, you get treated with respect.

It's just the way it is, and if you want to run your own business, you'd best get used to it...!

Just joshin, but you know what I mean, it's all a load of rubbish really but that's the way the system is!

CianRyan

166man wrote: »

Unfortunately that's the way the Corporate image is. If I show up to a big multinational in a lowered, loud Civic, looking for their business then I can't really tell them to fcuk off can I? If you show up in a respectable saloon, even a 166, you get treated with respect.

It's just the way it is, and if you want to run your own business, you'd best get used to it...!

Just joshin, but you know what I mean, it's all a load of rubbish really but that's the way the system is!

I think I'd rather my loud, brash rust bucket over an expensive suit and the "respect" of some tight arse in an Audi they probably can't afford anyway.
But well, you know we better than most on this forum, so I'd say that's no surprise.

YbFocus

I partake in a lot of high end meetings etc and the car parks are always full of a4's, passat cc's and porche's.
Then i come in the gate with my lsd, quite loud, old car. I do get some looks and stuff but feck them

YbFocus

YbFocus wrote: »

I partake in a lot of high end meetings etc and the car parks are always full of a4's, passat cc's and porche's.
Then i come in the gate with my lsd, quite loud, old car. I do get some looks and stuff but feck them

No doubt, probably not a formal situation etc where you are self employed and presenting your products and services to potential customers.

YbFocus

Augeo wrote: »

No doubt, probably not a formal situation etc where you are self employed and presenting your products and services to potential customers.

No no I'm an engineer usually attending meetings with my equals from other companies.
But they all have the latest audi's etc.
I won't do it

kyote00

Corolla Tsport - life starts at 6200rpm.
http://www.adverts.ie/car/toyota/corolla/toyota-corolla-t-sport-192/8150006

166man

CianRyan wrote: »

I think I'd rather my loud, brash rust bucket over an expensive suit and the "respect" of some tight arse in an Audi they probably can't afford anyway.
But well, you know we better than most on this forum, so I'd say that's no surprise.

YbFocus wrote: »

I partake in a lot of high end meetings etc and the car parks are always full of a4's, passat cc's and porche's.
Then i come in the gate with my lsd, quite loud, old car. I do get some looks and stuff but feck them

Augeo wrote: »

No doubt, probably not a formal situation etc where you are self employed and presenting your products and services to potential customers.

I too, would rather and do prefer my older cars, but it's a different scenario if you're presenting your products to another company and trying to make the right impression. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the way things are.

@ YB.... Lsd? LOL

Trojan

166man wrote: »

I too, would rather and do prefer my older cars, but it's a different scenario if you're presenting your products to another company and trying to make the right impression. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the way things are.

100% agree. I got an E39 for that reason... and in fact I wasn't keen on your one because the colour was a bit loud (I know it was a beauty ).

YbFocus

YbFocus wrote: »

No no I'm an engineer usually attending meetings with my equals from other companies.
But they all have the latest audi's etc.
I won't do it

Different kettle of fish
To be fair a relatively new A4 etc ticks plenty of boxes for lots of people, each to their own. If they turned up in a 95 corolla it'd make no difference, they don't need to appear to be conforming.

The likes of a pharma company rep for example who does lots of miles, meets clients high up the food chain who gets a car allowance would be mandated to drive a rep/exec mobile.

YbFocus

166man wrote: »

@ YB.... Lsd? LOL

Ssshhhhhh you!
It is, super limited

I bought an open diff last night actually