Can I do a Pre-NCT on a non Irish car?

Asmooh

I was wondering, can I do a Pre-NCT test (and pay 50 euros) to get my car checked and see if it will pass without problems before I even think of (maybe) importing the car?

It has a Dutch NCT (APK called) but I don't know if rules are different, so I wonder if I could do a NCT test on Dutch license to see if it will even pass in the first place.

Atlantic Dawn

No must have Irish plates.

Seth Brundle

Even if it was on Irish plates, the best solution is to do the NCT. If it passes then great; if it doesn't then you know what needs to be addressed.

Doing a pre-NCT will not guarantee anything other than they will more than likely be able to show a list of faults that they can also fix! Still doesn't mean that it will pass the NCT on the day though!

biko

You mean a Pre-NCT like provided by Advance Pitstop and others?
I don't see why not. AP is just a garage business and only too happy to take your money

savagethegoat

How would you do it before you import it? The minute it comes of the boat, you are locked into the system for re-registering it

Stone Deaf 4evr

Asmooh wrote: »

I was wondering, can I do a Pre-NCT test (and pay 50 euros) to get my car checked and see if it will pass without problems before I even think of (maybe) importing the car?

It has a Dutch NCT (APK called) but I don't know if rules are different, so I wonder if I could do a NCT test on Dutch license to see if it will even pass in the first place.

I'm not 100% but you used to be able to get a copy of the NCT test criteria. a quick google found me this
https://www.ncts.ie/NCT%20Manual%20Revise%20May%202012.pdf
maybe take it to your garage and ask them to look over it?

Asmooh

savagethegoat wrote: »

How would you do it before you import it? The minute it comes of the boat, you are locked into the system for re-registering it

You know that's total bull****

I can drive here for 12 months legally because I have a Dutch car, Dutch Passport and Dutch license.
There is no need for registering the car if I don't want to, or if I decide to move out of Ireland in 10 months.

What if I was here on holiday for a week or 2? need to register my car?

savagethegoat

Asmooh wrote: »

You know that's total bull****

I can drive here for 12 months legally because I have a Dutch car, Dutch Passport and Dutch license.
There is no need for registering the car if I don't want to, or if I decide to move out of Ireland in 10 months.

What if I was here on holiday for a week or 2? need to register my car?

well if you were on holiday the question of the NCT wouldn't arise. If you are taking up residence here, you cannot drive your car here for 12 months . You have a fixed period to book the appointment for the VRT assesment.

Asmooh

savagethegoat wrote: »

well if you were on holiday the question of the NCT wouldn't arise. If you are taking up residence here, you cannot drive your car here for 12 months . You have a fixed period to book the appointment for the VRT assesment.

I know that, but I don't even know what I'm going to do in the next 12 months anyway, currently I cannot even insure the car in Ireland so I'm looking into things and see if they are worth it

savagethegoat

You run the risk of the Customs seizing the car , that's not bull****....that's advice.

Asmooh

savagethegoat wrote: »

You run the risk of the Customs seizing the car , that's not bull****....that's advice.

They cannot do that, they can only if I was an resident, which I am not.

keithclancy

Asmooh wrote: »

You know that's total bull****

I can drive here for 12 months legally because I have a Dutch car, Dutch Passport and Dutch license.
There is no need for registering the car if I don't want to, or if I decide to move out of Ireland in 10 months.

What if I was here on holiday for a week or 2? need to register my car?

You're Dutch Passport/Driving license makes no difference.

If you live in Ireland for more than 185 days in the year then you cannot drive any foreign plated car, period.

If you were for example working in the Netherlands and lived in Ireland then you would need to register your car in Ireland

If you were working in Ireland and were living in the Netherlands most of the time then you need to register your car in the Netherlands.

The car is only allowed in Ireland for 1 year, you are only able to drive it for 185 days as the car cannot be driving by a state resident.

Any non resident could drive your car just fine though.

Anyways this is what Revenue explained to me when I was going to visit Ireland for 6 months, no problem leaving the car there, was only a problem if I spent more than 185 days of the year, maximum time I could leave the car in the state was 1 year.

Also don't let anyone else resident in Ireland drive your car.

It's actually the exact same rules for foreign plated cars in the Netherlands

savagethegoat

by wanting to NCT/VRT your car, you are admitting you are/ have imported it surely. You wouldn't do that as a visitor. Where are/will you be working and living?

Asmooh

keithclancy wrote: »

You're Dutch Passport/Driving license makes no difference.

If you live in Ireland for more than 185 days in the year then you cannot drive any foreign plated car, period.

If you were for example working in the Netherlands and lived in Ireland then you would need to register your car in Ireland

If you were working in Ireland and were living in the Netherlands most of the time then you need to register your car in the Netherlands.

The car is only allowed in Ireland for 1 year, you are only able to drive it for 185 days as the car cannot be driving by a state resident.

Any non resident could drive your car just fine though.

Anyways this is what Revenue explained to me when I was going to visit Ireland for 6 months, no problem leaving the car there, was only a problem if I spent more than 185 days of the year, maximum time I could leave the car in the state was 1 year.

Also don't let anyone else resident in Ireland drive your car.

It's actually the exact same rules for foreign plated cars in the Netherlands

Well I can also proof I go to The Netherlands every 2 months, so it should not matter, but then in the next 185 days or so (I will get the car in September) I will decide what I will do with it and I don't know if I will keep it here anyway, I need to think about those things.. don't want to pay 2000 euros a year insurance for a 1992 car.

savagethegoat wrote: »

by wanting to NCT/VRT your car, you are admitting you are/ have imported it surely. You wouldn't do that as a visitor. Where are/will you be working and living?

I don't know where I'm going to live is I decide to stay here. (and based on all topics here, everyone calling the police over every little thing I guess its better to even keep this of boards.ie anyway)

keithclancy

Asmooh wrote: »

Well I can also proof I go to The Netherlands every 2 months, so it should not matter, but then in the next 185 days or so (I will get the car in September) I will decide what I will do with it and I don't know if I will keep it here anyway, I need to think about those things.. don't want to pay 2000 euros a year insurance for a 1992 car.

Doesn't matter, it's a counted total of the days in the year, not a block of days.

Do you still have a home in the Netherlands, are you still registered with the Gemeente ?

Asmooh

keithclancy wrote: »

Doesn't matter, it's a counted total of the days in the year, not a block of days.

Do you still have a home in the Netherlands, are you still registered with the Gemeente ?

Yes I am

savagethegoat

Asmooh wrote: »

Well I can also proof I go to The Netherlands every 2 months, so it should not matter, but then in the next 185 days or so (I will get the car in September) I will decide what I will do with it and I don't know if I will keep it here anyway, I need to think about those things.. don't want to pay 2000 euros a year insurance for a 1992 car.



I don't know where I'm going to live is I decide to stay here. (and based on all topics here, everyone calling the police over every little thing I guess its better to even keep this of boards.ie anyway)

location : Leixlip ......is a bit of a give away you know so I'm guessing you are right!

Asmooh

savagethegoat wrote: »

location : Leixlip ......is a bit of a give away you know so I'm guessing you are right!

Just to be clear, I don't mind to import a car.

I just think it's useless to import a car I can't even insure here, will be only driven during the summer and for the rest of the year parked in my garage in The Netherlands.

Kinda useless don't you think? And I think they would agree with me if I tell them it will only be driven a few months a year.

keithclancy

Asmooh wrote: »

Just to be clear, I don't mind to import a car.

I just think it's useless to import a car I can't even insure here, will be only driven during the summer and for the rest of the year parked in my garage in The Netherlands.

Kinda useless don't you think? And I think they would agree with me if I tell them it will only be driven a few months a year.

If you get stopped by Customs they'll ask

Do you live here
Do you work here

If both answers are yes then you will have to have documentation to backup your claims, bills at your address in the Netherlands in your name, flight/ferry tickets that prove you left the country.

For me it was easy, I could answer no to both, you are probably better off saying no to the first and yes to the second if stopped.

I guess you probably know this already but you have to either get an exemption from CVZ and also file a Declaration on your worldwide income with the Dutch Tax office at the end of the year if you remain registered in NL.

I know someone that didn't do this and ended up getting an acceptgiro on zero tax being paid on foreign income they had already paid tax on.

Asmooh

keithclancy wrote: »

If you get stopped by Customs they'll ask

Do you live here
Do you work here

If both answers are yes then you will have to have documentation to backup your claims, bills at your address in the Netherlands in your name, flight/ferry tickets that prove you left the country.

For me it was easy, I could answer no to both, you are probably better off saying no to the first and yes to the second if stopped.

I guess you probably know this already but you have to either get an exemption from CVZ and also file a Declaration on your worldwide income with the Dutch Tax office at the end of the year if you remain registered in NL.

I know someone that didn't do this and ended up getting an acceptgiro on zero tax being paid on foreign income they had already paid tax on.

Hmm, I would almost think that I just need to find an insurance company that does not quote me 2-3k a year for a older car..


Quote from AXA

Comprehensive cover
you pay 2,496.80
or
a deposit of 374.52
and 9 monthly payments of 251.64
total payable amount 2639.28

Quote from AIB

Comprehensive cover
you pay 2,247.22
or
12 monthly payments of 187.26

I pay 33 euros / month in The Netherlands...

keithclancy

Try this crowd:

https://www.clements.com/portals/europe/motor/ivrm-contact-form

All the underwriting work is done by AIG.

From here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92632514

*Edit .. wrong link

mgbgt1978

savagethegoat wrote: »

How would you do it before you import it? The minute it comes of the boat, you are locked into the system for re-registering it

No you're not.You have 7 days from when you bring in the vehicle to make an appointment to have it inspected.
During those 7 days you are perfectly entitled to take the car back out of the state and sell it (or store it) elsewhere.

savagethegoat

yeah that's the system ..... you aren't allowed store it unregistered though

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

If you get stopped by Customs they'll ask

Do you live here
Do you work here

If both answers are yes then you will have to have documentation to backup your claims, bills at your address in the Netherlands in your name, flight/ferry tickets that prove you left the country.

I'm not questioning what you are saying, but just curious how does that prove someone actually lives in Netherlands?

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

I'm not questioning what you are saying, but just curious how does that prove someone actually lives in Netherlands?

Shows you have ties to there, in principal it doesn't prove anything, in reality it just backs up your story and reduces your time talking to customs.

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

Shows you have ties to there, in principal it doesn't prove anything, in reality it just backs up your story and reduces your time talking to customs.

So what if I tried Polish registered car here? On check-up showed them Polish ID, Polish driving licence and current utility bills from Poland in my name?
Would they just let me go, even though I lived here permanently for last 9 years?

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

So what if I tried Polish registered car here? On check-up showed them Polish ID, Polish driving licence and current utility bills from Poland in my name?
Would they just let me go, even though I lived here permanently for last 9 years?

No, I'd assume you've had income there for the last 9 years, you'd have a rough time proving you spend more of your time in Poland while working in Ireland.

In the OPs case he just got there.
In my case I was just visiting.

Asmooh

keithclancy wrote: »

No, I'd assume you've had income there for the last 9 years, you'd have a rough time proving you spend more of your time in Poland while working in Ireland.

In the OPs case he just got there.
In my case I was just visiting.

It still does not make sense, we have European rules for a reason..

keithclancy

Asmooh wrote: »

It still does not make sense, we have European rules for a reason..

EU has little or no legislation covering taxation/social security for example, hence why car registration tax in Ireland (VRT) and the Netherlands (BPM) is nothing to do with European Rules other than satisfying free movement requirement.

As the EU signpost service told me themselves

"We would like to inform you that taxation is one of the policy areas that is not regulated by the EU"

Also in Ireland it's a particularly mickey mouse process since you don't register anywhere. In NL/DE for example you register your primary and secondary residence.

In Ireland you're stuck trying to prove everything with ferry/plane tickets, bills and statements.

All I'm saying is it's better to have more proof on you than less if you are worried about it.

Myself I didn't carry anything, I didn't really care as my situation was as I said it was.

Asmooh

Well the question is, is it worth the 680 euros?

The car insurance on www.clements.com will be around 600 euros a year and that is within my budget.

Driving back and forth to Holland for the APK is also 650-700 euros.
Insurance in Holland is 34 euros / month
Road tax in Holland is 304 / year


Holland: 304 + 408 + 700 (apk driving) = 1412 / year
Ireland. 600 + 680 (one time fee but I calculate it in the first year) + 514 = 1792 / first year, 1112 / year after that.


The question is only: can I have a modded car here and will it pass NCT? Or is it like belgium and you cannot even change the wheels.

cletus

What's the car and what are the modifications

In general, things like different alloys, spoiler, body kits etc don't constitute a fail in the NCT.

Greenmachine

You may be better giving your car to a family member at home and picking up a car to use here. You won't have any issues regarding vrt, etc, car will be easier to tax and insure. How old are you by the way OP, this could be playing a part in the cost of your insurance.

Asmooh

Greenmachine wrote: »

You may be better giving your car to a family member at home and picking up a car to use here. You won't have any issues regarding vrt, etc, car will be easier to tax and insure. How old are you by the way OP, this could be playing a part in the cost of your insurance.

I was thinking about that.. but I cannot find the same car in same conditions.. and even then they won't insure the car except with the clemens insurance

And I don't know if I want to drive RHD and yes I can keep the car in Holland, but then I need to have 2 cars... and I refuse to drive in a 1.2 or 1,4 or anything that does 0-100 in more than 7 seconds

I am 30 years old, drivers license for 9,5 years.

cletus wrote: »

What's the car and what are the modifications

In general, things like different alloys, spoiler, body kits etc don't constitute a fail in the NCT.

1992 MX5, different alloys, no spoiler, front lip + sideskirts, different exhaust system, turbo fitted, different lights

Greenmachine

Asmooh wrote: »

I was thinking about that.. but I cannot find the same car in same conditions.. and even then they won't insure the car except with the clemens insurance

And I don't know if I want to drive RHD and yes I can keep the car in Holland, but then I need to have 2 cars... and I refuse to drive in a 1.2 or 1,4 or anything that does 0-100 in more than 7 seconds

I am 30 years old, drivers license for 9,5 years.



1992 MX5, different alloys, no spoiler, front lip + sideskirts, different exhaust system, turbo fitted, different lights

Not a criticism but I think sentimentality will be your biggest hurdle. Do you have to drive the same car here as in Holland. How much of your time will you be in Ireland and how much in Holland?

Asmooh

Greenmachine wrote: »

Not a criticism but I think sentimentality will be your biggest hurdle. Do you have to drive the same car here as in Holland. How much of your time will you be in Ireland and how much in Holland?

I don't know yet.. at the moment I'm going to Holland each month for 4 days
No I don't have to drive the same, but at least better than the MX5 not worse, need to be a cabrio or a really nice coupe, RWD, 200hp+, not too heavy.


Was looking into:

- Supra Mk4
- RX7 / RX8
- Impreza STi (AWD, Not cabrio or coupe but I like it)
- Lancer EVO (AWD, Not cabrio or coupe but I like it)
- BMW Z3 (2.5+)
- MX5 (even NB)
- Volvo S40 T4 (FWD, Not cabrio or coupe but I like it)
- Volvo 940 2.3 Turbo (very fun car)


Some others..

Greenmachine

Asmooh wrote: »

I don't know yet.. at the moment I'm going to Holland each month for 4 days
No I don't have to drive the same, but at least better than the MX5 not worse, need to be a cabrio or a really nice coupe, RWD, 200hp+, not too heavy.


Was looking into:

- Supra Mk4
- RX7 / RX8
- Impreza STi (AWD, Not cabrio or coupe but I like it)
- Lancer EVO (AWD, Not cabrio or coupe but I like it)
- BMW Z3 (2.5+)
- MX5 (even NB)
- Volvo S40 T4 (FWD, Not cabrio or coupe but I like it)
- Volvo 940 2.3 Turbo (very fun car)


Some others..

Okay you like the more sporty cars. Not sure what is the best bet in terms of looking for that type of car. You could start with www.cbg.ie, www.donedeal.ie, www.adverts.ie, www.carzone.ie
Some other posters might have suggestion on websites more suited to sportier cars.

Asmooh

Greenmachine wrote: »

Okay you like the more sporty cars. Not sure what is the best bet in terms of looking for that type of car. You could start with www.cbg.ie, www.donedeal.ie, www.adverts.ie, www.carzone.ie
Some other posters might have suggestion on websites more suited to sportier cars.

the problem is not getting the car, the problem is that insurance companies even refuse to insure my MX5.. for the amount I am willing to pay for it and thats a 1.6..

Greenmachine

Asmooh wrote: »

the problem is not getting the car, the problem is that insurance companies even refuse to insure my MX5.. for the amount I am willing to pay for it and thats a 1.6..

Do you have a female partner who would have access to using the car. It might bring down the quotes. Also the mileage you intend on driving can effect the cost.

Asmooh

Greenmachine wrote: »

Do you have a female partner who would have access to using the car. It might bring down the quotes. Also the mileage you intend on driving can effect the cost.

no I don't... and I chose up to 8000km/year not for work

Asmooh

Small update:

00D16713 : 2000 Civic 1.4 , 176,40 / month
98DL6378 : 1998 Toyota Starlet 1.3, 136,20 / month
01D18083 : 2001 Mazda 323 LX 1.3 Sedan, 156.07 / month
02LK5672 : 2002 VAUXHALL CORSA 1.0, 122,01 / month


Those prices are ****ing insane!

keithclancy

Asmooh wrote: »

Small update:

00D16713 : 2000 Civic 1.4 , 176,40 / month
98DL6378 : 1998 Toyota Starlet 1.3, 136,20 / month
01D18083 : 2001 Mazda 323 LX 1.3 Sedan, 156.07 / month
02LK5672 : 2002 VAUXHALL CORSA 1.0, 122,01 / month


Those prices are ****ing insane!

Think about it as swings and roundabouts, the car insurance is much higher but your income tax is much lower, your health insurance isn't even mandatory.

You can't move to a country and then expect to pay less than everyone else.

On 30k per year you have an extra 500 euros per month in your pocket, on 60k per year you have an extra 300 euros per month in your pocket compared to the Netherlands.

Asmooh

keithclancy wrote: »

Think about it as swings and roundabouts, the car insurance is much higher but your income tax is much lower, your health insurance isn't even mandatory.

You can't move to a country and then expect to pay less than everyone else.

On 30k per year you have an extra 500 euros per month in your pocket, on 60k per year you have an extra 300 euros per month in your pocket compared to the Netherlands.

maybe no health insurance, but you will pay 1000 euros just to go to dentist for a checkup..

but i found a way to pay only 300 euros a year max, waiting for some info now.. still costs 1000 to import the car -_-

Greenmachine

Asmooh wrote: »

maybe no health insurance, but you will pay 1000 euros just to go to dentist for a checkup..

but i found a way to pay only 300 euros a year max, waiting for some info now.. still costs 1000 to import the car -_-

Are you insuring it as a classic. Usually that mean it can't be your main car.
Won't even comment on the dentist thing.

keithclancy

Asmooh wrote: »

maybe no health insurance, but you will pay 1000 euros just to go to dentist for a checkup..

but i found a way to pay only 300 euros a year max, waiting for some info now.. still costs 1000 to import the car -_-

Did you apply for a VRT Exemption ?

Did you own the car for 1 year minimum in the Netherlands ?

Asmooh

keithclancy wrote: »

Did you apply for a VRT Exemption ?

Did you own the car for 1 year minimum in the Netherlands ?

No I got it in March for a project
I can't insurance the car because it's 'too old' and I cannot even insure a 0.9l, will cost 1600 / year


Anyway with my new job, and MX I don't even have money left to save anymore.. it's more useful to leave the car stored in Holland and don't use it at all, only when I'm there and use public transport here all the time.

After september I may not visit Holland for few months, next year I won't visit for 6 months so I can use the car 2 weeks a year..

Nice way to spend 1000's of euros on a project car.


Anyway I have a choice:

1. Get my car here, live shared and don't eat more than 1 noodle a way
2 don't get the car live shared and I can eat a bit more but spend money on nothing
3 don't get the car, get my own place and don't eat

Hard choice so even with new job (30k / year) it's not enough to 'live'


Fml.

Asmooh

I think I am going to import the car anyway and just pay:

VRT 680 euros
NCT: 55
3 months road tax: 145 (pay 9 months directly after it)
New plates: 50?
And get AIB insurance for 175 / month.

I don't think I have another choice, If I van still tune my car I don't have to drive back anymore and can quit my garage + car insurance in holland.

Foxhole Norman

You've declared the mods and gotten a quote? I'm surprised someone would touch an import Turbo MX-5.

Asmooh

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

You've declared the mods and gotten a quote? I'm surprised someone would touch an import Turbo MX-5.

They are not asking for that at AIB
And I will take the turbo off the car before I import it