What Does GLAS Define As A Watercourse?

mikefoxo

I found this on the Dept website "All watercourses are identified and marked on the GLAS online mapping system."

Can anyone expand on this. Trying to get the old man into it next year but he's worried about the amount of fencing. There are some boggy places too so he thinks he might have to fence them off aswell

Farmer

In my experience, only a planner can accurately tell you as the rest of us don't seem to have access to the same maps (this is Ireland after all!). There's some sort of map on the EP website but, for my High Status waterway, it only show the lower half of the river while the planner sees it all as high status. Anyways, apparently there are less of them than in Reps according to http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/why-a-river-was-good-enough-for-reps-but-not-for-glas/

It's a handy enough option if you have the river fenced already

There's no mention of fencing off ponds or wet areas, they actually don't qualify

Do some research the http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/glas/ website, read the specs and FAQ s

paddysdream

mikefoxo wrote: »

I found this on the Dept website "All watercourses are identified and marked on the GLAS online mapping system."

Can anyone expand on this. Trying to get the old man into it next year but he's worried about the amount of fencing. There are some boggy places too so he thinks he might have to fence them off aswell

As far as I know,from REPS etc. a watercourse is any stream,drain etc that has water in it for 9 or more months of the year.

Basically planner asks if this or that drain,stream or whatever is dry for more than 3 months and if so is not officially classified as a watercourse.Commonsense approach is to think before you speak as once they class it as a watercourse on your farm would imagine its rather difficult to change.

Justjens

mikefoxo wrote: »

"All watercourses are identified and marked on the GLAS online mapping system."

Can anyone expand on this.

It means what it says, water courses are already defined by the Dept and only a planner can see what is classified as a 'water course' on your farm.

Have just over 1300 metres here between a river and OPW drains. AFAIK if you own both side you get paid for both sides, ie. twice (I'll know more if I'm accepted!)

votuvant

paddysdream wrote: »

As far as I know,from REPS etc. a watercourse is any stream,drain etc that has water in it for 9 or more months of the year.

Basically planner asks if this or that drain,stream or whatever is dry for more than 3 months and if so is not officially classified as a watercourse.Commonsense approach is to think before you speak as once they class it as a watercourse on your farm would imagine its rather difficult to change.

No if it's not on the map it doesn't qualify. Crazy system really. I have a river that rises in my land and flows through it for about 600 meters and all but the first 150 meters is on it. Planner reckons if it not on it you don't get paid for it and don't have to fence it.

votuvant

Justjens wrote: »

It means what it says, water courses are already defined by the Dept and only a planner can see what is classified as a 'water course' on your farm.

Have just over 1300 metres here between a river and OPW drains. AFAIK if you own both side you get paid for both sides, ie. twice (I'll know more if I'm accepted!)

You do cause you fence both sides

Muckit

votuvant wrote: »

You do cause you fence both sides

Even if one side is a boundary ditch? I'm not so sure

KatyMac

The watercourse has to appear on some website that the planner can look at. I have a 'big' river with a feeder stream going into it. The 'big' river is the only one i have to worry about and it is already fenced. The feeder stream doesn't appear anywhere so doesnt have to be fenced (although it is already done from REPS) but more to the point, I can still have access point for the cattle to drink from it. Wish everything else was as handy.

votuvant

Muckit wrote: »

Even if one side is a boundary ditch? I'm not so sure

If it's a boundary you don't own both sides so would it not be the neighbour fencing the other side

Farrell

KatyMac wrote: »

The watercourse has to appear on some website that the planner can look at. I have a 'big' river with a feeder stream going into it. The 'big' river is the only one i have to worry about and it is already fenced. The feeder stream doesn't appear anywhere so doesnt have to be fenced (although it is already done from REPS) but more to the point, I can still have access point for the cattle to drink from it. Wish everything else was as handy.

If there was a drinking point to a (small) river from reps, can this also be used in GLAS, or does it have to be fenced with a drinker installed?

Muckit

votuvant wrote: »

If it's a boundary you don't own both sides so would it not be the neighbour fencing the other side

We're talking about watercourses.

If the entire watercourse be it a drain or stream is entirely on your maps (ie you own it), then are you saying you can get paid to fence it on both sides even if one side has a boundary hedge?

I"m saying l don't think so but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Justjens

Muckit wrote: »

We're talking about watercourses.

If the entire watercourse be it a drain or stream is entirely on your maps (ie you own it), then are you saying you can get paid to fence it on both sides even if one side has a boundary hedge?

You have to own the land on both sides of the watercourse (ie. have control over fencing both sides) to be able to claim double payment.

If watercourse forms a boundary you only get paid for one side.

KatyMac

Farrell wrote: »

If there was a drinking point to a (small) river from reps, can this also be used in GLAS, or does it have to be fenced with a drinker installed?

As far as I've been told yes. I asked several times to be sure and as long
as the watercourse doesn't appear on whatever database they are using you can have drinking points into it. For me, it cuts down the requirement to be messing with two places that were cut into the bank to allow the cattle enough access without them 'getting' into the water - REPS were happy with it anyway!

Charliebull

Farrell wrote: »

If there was a drinking point to a (small) river from reps, can this also be used in GLAS, or does it have to be fenced with a drinker installed?

if you go for the option of fencing watercourse in GLAS and the small river in question is identified as a watercourse on your GLAS plan then you can have no access by livestock even for drinking

cormywormy

If you go onto osi Ireland maps then go to the viewer , then on the right an click on the wind report tab over your farm. The watercourses on this are defined as watercourses by GLAS. I asked them this as a neighbour has a drain flowing into a river and the only watercourse as GLAS see it , is the river not the drains. No matter how much water flows .