Is the HD in Spain better?

nc6000

Hi,

So I'm in a bar in Spain and notice the quality of the TV picture us way better than what I get at home with Sky HD on my Sony Bravia.

Do they broadcast HD in Spain at a higher resolution?

galljga1

nc6000 wrote: »

Hi,

So I'm in a bar in Spain and notice the quality of the TV picture us way better than what I get at home with Sky HD on my Sony Bravia.

Do they broadcast HD in Spain at a higher resolution?

How many pints did you have?

Atlantic Dawn

Are you using a HDMI cable on your Sky box back home?

nc6000

No pints, I'm on the wine.

Yes I'm using a HDMI cable to go from the Sky HD box to the TV.

enfant terrible

I had Sky HD when it launched and remember the bit-rate of the BBC HD preview channel been thirty something mb's.

It's probably around 12-15mb's now.

People will say the encoding has improved to compensate but the picture looked a lot better to me back then.

galljga1

nc6000 wrote: »

No pints, I'm on the wine.

Yes I'm using a HDMI cable to go from the Sky HD box to the TV.

S
The sony bravia range was/is pretty good but I have not really looked at tvs since i bought my panasonic nearly six years ago. I still have a trinitron from approx 15 years ago and the picture is very good. Re spanish HD, I don't know, are they broadcasting in 4K? some sports channels are. This should provide a better experience in theory but would depend on the equipment both electronic and human.

lgs 4

galljga1 wrote: »

S
The sony bravia range was/is pretty good but I have not really looked at tvs since i bought my panasonic nearly six years ago. I still have a trinitron from approx 15 years ago and the picture is very good. Re spanish HD, I don't know, are they broadcasting in 4K? some sports channels are. This should provide a better experience in theory but would depend on the equipment both electronic and human.

Maybe better tv, is it pay sky your watching ,sky.s picture resolutions is 720p broadcasters in europe are 1080p

mass_debater

lgs 4 wrote: »

Maybe better tv, is it pay sky your watching ,sky.s picture resolutions is 720p broadcasters in europe are 1080p

1080p is not a tv broadcast resolution, sky broadcast in 1080i on HD channels

galljga1

mass_debater wrote: »

1080p is not a tv broadcast resolution, sky broadcast in 1080i on HD channels

Yeah, 1080i is what I get, must check again to see if any HD channel I receive is 1080p.

lgs 4

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KOPHEAD

No TV company broadcasts 1080p. It was more then likely down to the set you where watching. Which Sony Bravia model do you have? Just because it's a Sony dosen't necessarily mean it's a good TV. All brands have a range of sets from very basic up to state of the art. Also what brand and technology was the TV in Spain? Could it of been a plasma?

catallus

Lower latitude so less gravity to affect the signal, so it's clearer.

enfant terrible

KOPHEAD wrote: »

No TV company broadcasts 1080p. It was more then likely down to the set you where watching. Which Sony Bravia model do you have? Just because it's a Sony dosen't necessarily mean it's a good TV. All brands have a range of sets from very basic up to state of the art. Also what brand and technology was the TV in Spain? Could it of been a plasma?

Some HD broadcast are better than other so the Spanish ones could be better than here.

Look at the tennis, the picture on Eurosport HD is much better than ITV HD.

KOPHEAD

enfant terrible wrote: »

Some HD broadcast are better than other so the Spanish ones could be better than here.

Look at the tennis, the picture on Eurosport HD is much better than ITV HD.

I have watched plenty of football in Spain and there's no way the HD picture is better then sky sports'

enfant terrible

KOPHEAD wrote: »

I have watched plenty of football in Spain and there's no way the HD picture is better then sky sports'

Maybe he's comparing BBC HD and ITV HD.

KOPHEAD

enfant terrible wrote: »

Maybe he's comparing BBC HD and ITV HD.

Can't argue with that BBC does kick there ass

lertsnim

KOPHEAD wrote: »

I have watched plenty of football in Spain and there's no way the HD picture is better then sky sports'

I found HD on the Spanish entertainment channels blew Sky out of the water. Sports in general were quite good.

kooga

i remember in 2012 being in spain for the euro 2012 and watching the games in hd, i suppose it was my first real expeience ogf Hd and i was very impressed. Agree with the BBC coverage watched the ladies football last night germany v ivory coast on bbc 3 hd and the picture quality was excellent on my sony bravia TV!!

Gonzo

tv in Spain generally looks like a higher bitrate than on SKY. Their SD channels definitely look better than Sky's SD channels, there is nothing even close to the abysmal picture quality of TV 3 Ireland on SKY. HD channels in spain look slightly sharper but imo the bigger difference is between the picture quality in SD on Sky and SD on spanish networks.

nc6000

At home I'm watching Sky HD at 1080 and according to the guy who installed it I have excellent signal strength and quality.

For some reason the picture here seems much better. It's like it has more depth or something.

A place I was in the other night was showing an old western type film with Burt Lancaster and John Voight and the picture was brilliant especially for an older film which would gave been made way before HD was even dreamt of.

whomitconcerns

very little difference watching 1080i or 720p. No one broadcasts 1080p or UHD and likely never will. Some channels have higher bandwidth especially on SD channels. Thats all the difference is really

lertsnim

nc6000 wrote: »

A place I was in the other night was showing an old western type film with Burt Lancaster and John Voight and the picture was brilliant especially for an older film which would gave been made way before HD was even dreamt of.

Most films have always had a resolution much higher than 1080p. In most cases what you see on television is down scaled.

mikom

nc6000 wrote: »

Hi,


Do they broadcast HD in Spain at a higher resolution?

Only on Sky Juan.....

mass_debater

nc6000 wrote: »

At home I'm watching Sky HD at 1080 and according to the guy who installed it I have excellent signal strength and quality.

An average or poor signal strength and quality from the satellite will have the exact same picture quality, its digital, it either works or it doesn't, there is no in between, it doesn't get better with a stronger signal

The only difference there can be between Spanish TV and Sky is the bitrate, BBC is miles higher than Sky so it wouldn't surprise me if Spanish TV was similar

enfant terrible

mass_debater wrote: »

An average or poor signal strength and quality from the satellite will have the exact same picture quality, its digital, it either works or it doesn't, there is no in between, it doesn't get better with a stronger signal

The only difference there can be between Spanish TV and Sky is the bitrate, BBC is miles higher than Sky so it wouldn't surprise me if Spanish TV was similar

How is BBC miles higher than sky?

mass_debater

enfant terrible wrote: »

How is BBC miles higher than sky?

The bitrate is miles higher, the bitrate is the number of bits of information sent every second. Compare some sport on BBC with Sky and you'll see a very noticeable difference in HD even though both are the same resolution, 1080i.

enfant terrible

mass_debater wrote: »

The bitrate is miles higher, the bitrate is the number of bits of information sent every second. Compare some sport on BBC with Sky and you'll see a very noticeable difference in HD even though both are the same resolution, 1080i.

I find the picture on Sky Sports HD channels much better than BBC HD.

tsue921i8wljb3

mass_debater wrote: »

The bitrate is miles higher, the bitrate is the number of bits of information sent every second. Compare some sport on BBC with Sky and you'll see a very noticeable difference in HD even though both are the same resolution, 1080i.

Complete nonsense:

Sky Sports 1HD (Avg 14.9 Mbs):

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=10862&pid=3807&live=69&lang=en

BBC One HD (Avg 4.9 Mbs):

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=10847&pid=6941&live=69&lang=en

enfant terrible

Jayde Muscular Sentry wrote: »

Complete nonsense:

Sky Sports 1HD (Avg 14.9 Mbs):

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=10862&pid=3807&live=69&lang=en

BBC One HD (Avg 4.9 Mbs):

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=10847&pid=6941&live=69&lang=en

Cheers that was I thought my eyes were telling me.

Do you have Eurosport HD stats? that looks the best HD channel to me.

tsue921i8wljb3

enfant terrible wrote: »

Cheers that was I thought my eyes were telling me.

Do you have Eurosport HD stats? that looks the best HD channel to me.

It seems to be a lower average than Sky Sports:

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=11856&live=69&pid=3804&lang=en&rech=1&nom=++++++Eurosport+HD++ASTRA+28.2%B0E++%2811856%29++++++++++++++++++++++++

You can search that site yourself for any channel you wish.

mass_debater

Jayde Muscular Sentry wrote: »

Complete nonsense:

Sky Sports 1HD (Avg 14.9 Mbs):

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=10862&pid=3807&live=69&lang=en

BBC One HD (Avg 4.9 Mbs):

http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=10847&pid=6941&live=69&lang=en

I said compare when there's sport like rugby on, not the average of all broadcasts.

tsue921i8wljb3

mass_debater wrote: »

I said compare when there's sport like rugby on, not the average of all broadcasts.

I don't quite follow you. Are you suggesting that the BBC increase their bitrate specifically for certain sporting events?

mass_debater

Jayde Muscular Sentry wrote: »

I don't quite follow you. Are you suggesting that the BBC increase their bitrate specifically for certain sporting events?

Yes, the bitrate is not a constant, it varies continuously and will be much higher for a live event like a rugby match.

tsue921i8wljb3

mass_debater wrote: »

Yes, the bitrate is not a constant, it varies continuously and will be much higher for a live event like a rugby match.

I am aware of VBR. Even accounting for that the maximum observed bitrate for the BBC One HD channel over the past ~5 weeks has been 13.1Mbs. This includes what is probably the jewel in the crown of BBC sports coverage, the FA Cup final. Compare this to Sky's maximum of 19.9Mbs.

I'm a member of several AV forums and I believe you are the only person I have encountered that has expressed the opinion that the currernt BBC HD output is superior to Sky Sports.

dxhound2005

whomitconcerns wrote: »

very little difference watching 1080i or 720p. No one broadcasts 1080p or UHD and likely never will. Some channels have higher bandwidth especially on SD channels. Thats all the difference is really

UHD 4K is definitely coming. There are test broadcasts on these satellites.

http://www.flysat.com/satlist-uhd.php

Sky and BT Sports are launching UHD channels this year, with set top boxes to match.

http://advanced-television.com/2015/06/08/4k-and-lineker-for-bt-sport/

8K and 10K formats are also possible but not for broadcasting at present.

lgs 4

Astra 2F (28.2°E), 2015-05-09
Astra Ultra HD Test (Luxembourg) is now transmitted Free To Air (12441.00MHz, pol.V SR:29500 FEC:3/4 SID:7400 PID:210[H.265] /220 aac English).

Astra 1L (19.2°E), 2015-03-18
Sky Deutschland: Astra Ultra HD Test has left 11406.00MHz, pol.V (DVB-S2 SID:10200 PID:255[H.265] /256 English)

Hot Bird 13C (13°E), 2015-02-23
Hot Bird 4k Test is testing in DVB-S2 Clear on 11296.00MHz, pol.H SR:27500 FEC:3/4 SID:2220 PID:2020[H.265] /3020 aac English.

SES 5 (4.8°E), 2015-03-02
Astra Ultra HD Test is testing in DVB-S2 Clear on 11345.00MHz, pol.H SR:30000 FEC:3/4 SID:2890 PID:2891[H.265] /2892 aac.

Hispasat 1E (30°W), 2015-04-03
A new channel has started in DVB-S2 Clear: Hispasat 4K (Spain) on 10730.00MHz, pol.V SR:30000 FEC:3/4 SID:2 PID:210[H.265] /220,230 aac

https://youtu.be/0cr5WqV5ZwQ UHD tests on Astra 1

Zardoz

Gonzo wrote: »

tv in Spain generally looks like a higher bitrate than on SKY. Their SD channels definitely look better than Sky's SD channels, there is nothing even close to the abysmal picture quality of TV 3 Ireland on SKY. HD channels in spain look slightly sharper but imo the bigger difference is between the picture quality in SD on Sky and SD on spanish networks.

Agreed

Picture quality on Canal+ Digital channels in general is better than Sky for both SD and HD.

I'm pretty sure that there is no extra charge for a HD sub in Spain either ,unlike here where SKY make the SD channels look poorer than they should be so as the HD channels look better and joe public will fork out the extra 15 euro a month.

minterno

its not just bitrates and different TV's,the receiver itself plays a part.I have a vu+solo2,my last box was a vu+ultimo and the one before that was the humble spiderbox 9000hd,while the vu are a very nice overall receiver(and pricey) the spiderbox blew them away as far as the picture was concerned.
The spiderbox was a bit of a pain,very buggy in the early days but the quality of the picture was very good.when I changed to vu+ I noticed a sharp drop in quality so set the two recievers alongside each other,i bought out the spare tv from the back room (both are samsungs,both tvs were just on the market and at the higher end as far as pricing goes,switched them on and the spider was far superior,i then switched recievers over on the opposite tvs and again the spider stood out a mile,just better tuners I presume on the spider.
when the son in law comes up to visit the first thing he says is some comment as to why he cant get a similar quality from his sky box,he has a nice panny and a sony bravio in his place but the picture quality is not great,
while the sky recievers are a cracking bit of kit,great menus/epg, the picture quality is not the best,when you compare them with other recievers theyre only so so and as mentioned in an earlier post,the sd sucks on them,this is just my 2 cents,cheers

testicle

catallus wrote: »

Lower latitude so less gravity to affect the signal, so it's clearer.

Are you aware of the concept of digital as opposed to analog?

Bayberry

testicle wrote: »

Are you aware of the concept of digital as opposed to analog?

Whooooossshhhhh!!!!!

Zardoz

minterno wrote: »

its not just bitrates and different TV's,the receiver itself plays a part.I have a vu+solo2,my last box was a vu+ultimo and the one before that was the humble spiderbox 9000hd,while the vu are a very nice overall receiver(and pricey) the spiderbox blew them away as far as the picture was concerned.
The spiderbox was a bit of a pain,very buggy in the early days but the quality of the picture was very good.when I changed to vu+ I noticed a sharp drop in quality so set the two recievers alongside each other,i bought out the spare tv from the back room (both are samsungs,both tvs were just on the market and at the higher end as far as pricing goes,switched them on and the spider was far superior,i then switched recievers over on the opposite tvs and again the spider stood out a mile,just better tuners I presume on the spider.
when the son in law comes up to visit the first thing he says is some comment as to why he cant get a similar quality from his sky box,he has a nice panny and a sony bravio in his place but the picture quality is not great,
while the sky recievers are a cracking bit of kit,great menus/epg, the picture quality is not the best,when you compare them with other recievers theyre only so so and as mentioned in an earlier post,the sd sucks on them,this is just my 2 cents,cheers

Thats a good point Minterno ,differing receivers do indeed play a factor.

The Enigma 2 based receivers ,you mentioned ,the Solo 2 and the Ultimo use a Mips based chipset but its architecture has a draw back that it lacks finesse in the picture quality area.

I have a couple of SH4 chipset based receivers ,The Alien 1 and 2.
The SH4 chipset are popular with the satellite community because of the quality of the display output due to inclusion of a high class floating point math unit and high speed bus which is the key components used for drawing graphics.
The chipset is much better when dealing with picture processing so it can output a superior picture than a Mips based receiver.

It not as noticeable in HD but in SD I can easily tell the difference on a large set.

The following thread popped into my head when I saw this one.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69318230

At the time it was implied that Spanish HD was worse.

satelliteman20

i recently bought a miraclebox ultra broadcom e2 receiver and imo the sd picture is the closest i have seen to the quality of the alien 2 but i would have stuck with the alien based on its pq alone but its a bit too slow especially on the latest images shame they dont make a faster sh4 based receiver.

Bummer1234

Is sky+ boxes ready for 4k?

lertsnim

Bummer1234 wrote: »

Is sky+ boxes ready for 4k?

No.