Why are the FBI investigating FIFA?

lifeandtimes

Hi All,

Can anyone shed light on this question for me?

Why are the FBI investigating FIFA?

It is my understanding that FIFA are a global private company based in Switzerland,yet the FBI are the domestic intelligence and security service of the United States, which simultaneously serves as the nation's prime Federal law enforcement organization. Operating under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Justice.

What right do they have to investigate them and arrest members of an international company for corruption?

Would this not be similar to them arresting members of fine gael for corruption,although they are political are still member of a private organisation?

Any input on this is appreciated

Stheno

It's been reported that a lot of the bribe transactions went through American banks

irishgeo

lifeandtimes wrote: »

Hi All,

Can anyone shed light on this question for me?

Why are the FBI investigating FIFA?

It is my understanding that FIFA are a global private company based in Switzerland,yet the FBI are the domestic intelligence and security service of the United States, which simultaneously serves as the nation's prime Federal law enforcement organization. Operating under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Justice.

What right do they have to investigate them and arrest members of an international company for corruption?

Would this not be similar to them arresting members of fine gael for corruption,although they are political are still member of a private organisation?

Any input on this is appreciated

The money flowed through US Banks and bank accounts. The US dont take kindly to any "dirty money" flowing through their system.

One they turned Chuck Blazer it was open season on the rest of them.

lifeandtimes

irishgeo wrote: »

The money flowed through US Banks and bank accounts. The US dont take kindly to any "dirty money" flowing through their system.

ok, thats all good but even if it was "dirty money" what makes it going through their banks any different from normal money?

Plus plenty of bribes have been given to people,gone through banks and nothing has happened, point and case Michael Lowry and Denis o brien back in the 90s, it was found to be corrupted but nothing happned

Darpa

Because the Swiss have signed treaty laws with the USA, and thankfully the USA have the balls to take on corruption that affects them, unlike most countries, including our own. [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] are clever enough not to mess with the USA.

afatbollix

The yanks have a law that if it any unlawfull payments going through a US bank = breaking federial law. The FBI get involved and will use all its powers to uncover everything.

Your two examples are of two Irish politicians did the payments go through an US bank?

irishgeo

lifeandtimes wrote: »

ok, thats all good but even if it was "dirty money" what makes it going through their banks any different from normal money?

Plus plenty of bribes have been given to people,gone through banks and nothing has happened, point and case Michael noonen and Denis o brien back in the 90s, it was found to be corrupted but nothing happned

The US take white collar crime a lot more seriously than we do.

Bernie madoff got 150 years in jail for running a ponzi scheme.

The USA lost out to Qatar in the 2022 World Cup Bidding with Bill Clinton heading the bid. Maybe they were a little pissed off at obvious corruption going on. Even Prince William came back and said" something odd was going on" after the results of the 2 world cups bids were announced.

lifeandtimes

irishgeo wrote: »

The US take white collar crime a lot more seriously than we do.

Bernie madoff got 150 years in jail for running a ponzi scheme.

The USA lost out to Qatar in the 2022 World Cup Bidding with Bill Clinton heading the bill. Maybe they were a little pissed off.

yeah,i think its too do with that and they're are trying to ruin it for Qatar and Russia through sponsorship recalls etc

Manach

The US (like for instance the UK and the lesser extend Ireland) have a series of laws that give their enforcement entities the legal power to prosectute for acts outside their jurisdication. For instance, most people working in US multi-nationals here have to do yearly training on what constitutes bribery or fraud. This is to provide coverage for the employers to show they made a reasonable effort to comply with US law.

garhjw

lifeandtimes wrote: »

yeah,i think its too do with that and they're are trying to ruin it for Qatar and Russia through sponsorship recalls etc

I don't think they are just trying to lose it because they lost out. Criminal acts were committed, the proceeds of which were processed through the U.S.

As another poster said, the U.S. take white collar crime very seriously.

Darpa

irishgeo wrote: »

The US take white collar crime a lot more seriously than we do.

Bernie madoff got 150 years in jail for running a ponzi scheme.

The USA lost out to Qatar in the 2022 World Cup Bidding with Bill Clinton heading the bid. Maybe they were a little pissed off at obvious corruption going on. Even Prince William came back and said" something odd was going on" after the results of the 2 world cups bids were announced.

Yeah its hard to take white collar crime seriously in Ireland, I mean what can happen ?

irishgeo

Darpa wrote: »

Yeah its hard to take white collar crime seriously in Ireland, I mean what can happen ?

lot of cases going on now from the banking sectors so lets wait and see. The rules don't allow us to comment further.

Darpa

irishgeo wrote: »

lot of cases going on now from the banking sectors so lets wait and see. The rules don't allow us to comment further.

Pull the other one. It doesn't take six years to convict someone.
So what new laws have passed to prevent it happening in future and who has served any time to date ?

Darpa

Darpa wrote: »

Pull the other one. It doesn't take six years to convict someone.
So what new laws have passed to prevent it happening in future and who has served any time to date ?

Criminal Justice (Anti-Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing) Act 2010

Criminal Justice Act 2011

Companies Act 2014

Just to name three. The problem in the past was we didn't have the appropriate legislative framework. Now we do

Darpa

Deleted User wrote: »

Criminal Justice (Anti-Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing) Act 2011

Criminal Justice Act 2011

Companies Act 2014

Just to name three. The problem in the past was we didn't have the appropriate legislative framework. Now we do

Not a single one of them have been used to date

Darpa

Darpa wrote: »

Not a single one of them have been used to date

Well, that's just not true by any reasonable measure for anything other than the Companies Act and that's a week old to be fair.

They can't be used for acts before they were initiated anyway.

You asked what laws have been used to prevent it in future and I answered.

Darpa

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, that's just not true by any reasonable measure for anything other than the Companies Act and that's a week old to be fair.

They can't be used for acts before they were initiated anyway.

You asked what laws have been used to prevent it in future and I answered.

That's right I asked what have been used, you didn't answer anything of the kind, but that's entirely predictable. Que next strawman . . . .

Darpa

Darpa wrote: »

That's right I asked what have been used, you didn't answer anything of the kind, but that's entirely predictable. Que next strawman . . . .

OK... well first off you definitely don't know what a strawman is or how to spell queue. Or understand what prevent means.

The Acts I referred to have preventative measures that put in place requirements designed to stop illegal acts before they happen. They're being used every single day because they create positive obligations.

For instance: one of the provisions of the anti-money laundering act is so ubiquitous that it's almost certainly been used against you.

Darpa

Deleted User wrote: »

OK... well first off you definitely don't know what a strawman is or how to spell queue. Or understand what prevent means.

The Acts I referred to have preventative measures that put in place requirements designed to stop illegal acts before they happen. They're being used every single day because they create positive obligations.

For instance: one of the provisions of the anti-money laundering act is so ubiquitous that it's almost certainly been used against you.

Give us one conviction under any act and who has done time ?
Or are you going to try and say with a straight face that not a single offense has been committed since they were brought in ?
Are you also saying that Ireland had effectively no fraud corruption laws for 70 years, but now its all fixed and no one does it anymore ?
Pull the other one, there's a good lad.

Darpa

Darpa wrote: »

Give us one conviction under any act and who has done time ?
Or are you going to try and say with a straight face that not a single offense has been committed since they were brought in ?
Are you also saying that Ireland had effectively no fraud corruption laws for 70 years, but now its all fixed and no one does it anymore ?
Pull the other one, there's a good lad.

OK so you know how to create a strawman! That's good at least.

You asked what acts are there to prevent criminal acts and I told you. I never once commented on any of the other nonsense you brought into it.

Darpa

Deleted User wrote: »

OK so you know how to create a strawman! That's good at least.

You asked what acts are there to prevent criminal acts and I told you. I never once commented on any of the other nonsense you brought into it.

I asked you what was used, still waiting . . . . your strawman is on fire by the way

Darpa

Darpa wrote: »

I asked you what was used, still waiting . . . . your strawman is on fire by the way

The Acts are used every day. Anyone in Ireland who has a bank account has been subject to one. Anyone who became a client of a solicitor or accountant. Jesus the anti-money laundering act creates innumerable obligations.

Are you talking about convictions? Then turn to page 14 for the 2012 statistics for the use of the anti-money laundering act and the 4 prosecutions/2 convictions by the Gardai.

http://www.amlcu.gov.ie/en/AML/Statistics%20Report%202012.pdf/Files/Statistics%20Report%202012.pdf

Darpa

Deleted User wrote: »

The Acts are used every day. Anyone in Ireland who has a bank account has been subject to one. Anyone who became a client of a solicitor or accountant. Jesus the anti-money laundering act creates innumerable obligations.

Are you talking about convictions? Then turn to page 14 for the 2012 statistics for the use of the anti-money laundering act and the 4 prosecutions/2 convictions by the Gardai.

republican dissidents ? lol thought so
Not a single jail term for all the ecnonimc shenanigans from 2005 untill now
No corruption anywhere else of course, tis non existent in Ireland.

LOL, ok pal you clearly haven't got a clue. Best of luck

Darpa

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL, ok pal you clearly haven't got a clue. Best of luck

Thanks, but we both know the real problem is I have a clue . . . .

garhjw

Darpa wrote: »

Thanks, but we both know the real problem is I have a clue . . . .

2 things - 1. this thread is about the FBI and Fifa. 2. You are quite aggressive

Darpa

garhjw wrote: »

2 things - 1. this thread is about the FBI and Fifa. 2. You are quite aggressive

Exactly, which means, I'm not accepting of corruption or the excuses for it. So I'm afraid your passive aggression diversion attempt has failed.

garhjw

Darpa wrote: »

Exactly, which means, I'm not accepting of corruption or the excuses for it. So I'm afraid your passive aggression diversion attempt has failed.

So you want Fifa and their executives to be put on trial in ireland? What crimes did they commit in this country?

Darpa

garhjw wrote: »

So you want Fifa and their executives to be put on trial in ireland? What crimes did they commit in this country?

Now, quote exactly where I said that.

I suppose if you're really stuck you can always try to pretend what I said instead of being honest.

irishgeo

Darpa wrote: »

Thanks, but we both know the real problem is I have a clue . . . .

i dont get the point your trying to make.

coylemj

Darpa wrote: »

That's right I asked what have been used, you didn't answer anything of the kind, but that's entirely predictable. Que next strawman . . . .

Deleted User wrote: »

OK... well first off you definitely don't know what a strawman is or how to spell queue.

Actually neither of you knows how to spell correctly, the word in the context above is 'cue'.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

Actually neither of you knows how to spell correctly, the word in the context above is 'cue'.

Ha, that is actually such a poor error. Of course you're right

TallGlass

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha, that is actually such a poor error. Of course you're right

Picking on someones spelling and you make a mistake yourself. What a fool.

Darpa

TallGlass wrote: »

Picking on someones spelling and you make a mistake yourself. What a fool.

Smelling and typos are whats really important, not corruption >> LOOK OVER THERE !

TallGlass

TallGlass wrote: »

Picking on someones spelling and you make a mistake yourself. What a fool.

Frustration at Darpa's inability to engage properly. I was flippant and it was uncalled for and I was rightly hoisted on my own petard.

Name calling's a little harsh though.

garhjw

So any chance we could discuss the fbi and Fifa?

Will be interesting to see if the number of arrests increases. Could tv executives in the us be arrested if bribes were paid to Fifa officials to secure tv rights?

Darpa

garhjw wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if the number of arrests increases. Could tv executives in the us be arrested if bribes were paid to Fifa officials to secure tv rights?

Warner has already started squealing in the hope of getting a deal. Other will follow suit, the backstabbing and ratting on each other will commence shortly. That's what happens when the authorities actually take on corruption for real and start making real arrests and the jail threats and sentences are real. Not something we're familiar with regarding corruption in Ireland. Pity the US don't have an excuse yet to step in in Ireland.

coylemj

I don't think losing the 2022 World Cup to Qatar is the motive behind the FBI investigation. Most people in the US don't care about soccer and anyway the US didn't exactly cover themselves in glory when you look at the shenanigans that went on to secure the 2002 Winter Olympics for Salt Lake City.

coylemj

Darpa wrote: »

Warner has already started squealing in the hope of getting a deal.

I don't think Jack Warner gives a crap about the FBI, I suspect he has every judge in Trinidad and Tobago in his pocket. There is no way he will be extradited to the US to answer any charges. I'll bet he splashed the cash wisely and has friends in all the right places.

Didn't he get out on bail within a day or so of being arrested, supposedly on health grounds and then he turned up at a rally and danced in front of TV cameras? Not exactly the behaviour of a contrite man worried about spending time in a US jail.

Darpa

coylemj wrote: »

I don't think losing the 2022 World Cup to Qatar is the motive behind the FBI investigation. Most people in the US don't care about soccer and anyway the US didn't exactly cover themselves in glory when you look at the shenanigans that went on to secure the 2002 Winter Olympics for Salt Lake City.

So we should just let FIFA go on being corrupt ? Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm very glad to see FIFA being cleaned up.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

I don't think Jack Warner gives a crap about the FBI, I suspect he has every judge in Trinidad and Tobago in his pocket. There is no way he will be extradited to the US to answer any charges. I'll bet he splashed the cash wisely and has friends in all the right places.

Didn't he get out on bail within a day or so of being arrested, supposedly on health grounds and then he turned up at a rally and danced in front of TV cameras? Not exactly the behaviour of a contrite man worried about spending time in a US jail.

Of them all Jack Warner and Jerome Valcke seem the most openly dodgy. Valcke seems to be the one that brought the house of cards down. Chuck Blazer's insane tax situation opened the door somewhat but Valcke's madcap actions really tipped everyone off to what was happening.

Important to note by the way that Sepp Blatter is an absolute hero to people outside US/Europe. Wouldn't be surprised if Warner didn't need to bribe anyone either - an awful lot of people really like Warner/Blatter et al.

Pat Mustard

TallGlass wrote: »

Picking on someones spelling and you make a mistake yourself. What a fool.

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