PP for rooms in Warehouse space

JohnJoeRambo

Hi,

Mods. If this is in the wrong forum please move.

I am looking into starting up a rehearsal room business and am looking at all angles to get this set up.
This question is in relation to Planning Permission.

I will be using a Warehouse space and be building soundproof rehearsal rooms inside of the warehouse space.
It will be in a usual Industrial Estate type area and looking to not be too near residential area.
Would I need planning permission for building the rooms inside of the warehouse space?
I am hoping not?

I will be contacting the council on this at a later stage also

Cheers

Thanks

DOCARCH

You would possibly/probably need planning permission for change of use.

You should try and speak with planners first to see if what you proposes will be in theory even be considered by the planners! You may consider your proposal reasonable, but, the planners will look at zoning (and whether or not your proposal fits in with the current zoning). One of the biggest factors they will consider is traffic movements.

You will also probably/definitely need a fire safety certificate and disability access certificate.

JohnJoeRambo

DOCARCH wrote: »

You would possibly/probably need planning permission for change of use.

You should try and speak with planners first to see if what you proposes will be in theory even be considered by the planners! You may consider your proposal reasonable, but, the planners will look at zoning (and whether or not your proposal fits in with the current zoning). One of the biggest factors they will consider is traffic movements.

You will also probably/definitely need a fire safety certificate and disability access certificate.

Thanks for the input.

Yeah I will definitely be getting insurance and fire safety check etc as health and safety can destroy a business fairly quick.

With traffic movements Id want plenty parking at front (parking spaces and not on the road) for loading unloading of gear etc. I would hope this won't be an issue as industrial estates usually have space for parking at most units.

I guess the noise levels (although will be soundproofed but unless spending 100s of grands it will not be 100% soundproof) will come into it too and that is why i won't be having it near residential areas and hopefully a stand alone unit

Cheers

homeguru

Hi
You would be mad to go near the planners nothing really to do with them if internal space and just a room not as if your putting in a power station and who knows in the future you may take it down again or change it several times.

BryanF

homeguru wrote: »

Hi
You would be mad to go near the planners nothing really to do with them if internal space and just a room not as if your putting in a power station and who knows in the future you may take it down again or change it several times.

Rubbish

Gumbo

homeguru wrote: »

Hi
You would be mad to go near the planners nothing really to do with them if internal space and just a room not as if your putting in a power station and who knows in the future you may take it down again or change it several times.

Seriously, you are offering this advice.....
God bless the internet professional.

JohnJoeRambo

homeguru wrote: »

Hi
You would be mad to go near the planners nothing really to do with them if internal space and just a room not as if your putting in a power station and who knows in the future you may take it down again or change it several times.

Lets say someone(i.e. competition / bad minded person etc) was to ring planning office on my business or if they were to find out some other way of my venture and they come and check my place and find I had no planning.
I then face the chance of losing everything I put into the place, blood/sweat/tears and thousands and thousands of euros!
What if someone falls and breaks a leg or something, I'll have insurance but again planning might come into it when health and safety come around.

I know some people have done this and taken the chance but I just couldn't.

Gumbo

JohnJoeRambo wrote: »

Lets say someone(i.e. competition / bad minded person etc) was to ring planning office on my business or if they were to find out some other way of my venture and they come and check my place and find I had no planning.
I then face the chance of losing everything I put into the place, blood/sweat/tears and thousands and thousands of euros!
What if someone falls and breaks a leg or something, I'll have insurance but again planning might come into it when health and safety come around.

I know some people have done this and taken the chance but I just couldn't.

Let's say you made the changes without PP and ignored the development rules out there. Let's say one of your employees were hurt in a case of fire and it then turned out you had no planning, no fire cert, I think thinking about a neighbouring company complaining will be the least of your worries.

Planning and development act.
Building control act.
Fire services act.
Health and safety and welfare at work act.

You need to consider these as an employer and make sure your ass is covered.

JohnJoeRambo

kceire wrote: »

Let's say you made the changes without PP and ignored the development rules out there. Let's say one of your employees were hurt in a case of fire and it then turned out you had no planning, no fire cert, I think thinking about a neighbouring company complaining will be the least of your worries.

Planning and development act.
Building control act.
Fire services act.
Health and safety and welfare at work act.

You need to consider these as an employer and make sure your ass is covered.

Sure I agree with you and have no notion of not getting planning if needed!!!
My reply that started with: "let's say" was not me asking, it was me was just giving an example of why Homeguru's idea was bad, the neighbour thing and someone complaining was just another reason why it is bad idea NOT to get planning!
And in my last line of my post I mention about someone getting hurt and health and safety / planning being an issue then etc, which also includes fire safety.

So not sure why your making out I'm not aware of the implications of not getting it if it is needed.

Also the company I work for are all about health and safety etc

JohnJoeRambo

Has anyone any experience with applying for planning permission with this kind of scenario or how long the process might take?
I'd imagine it needs to be applied for before actually renting the unit so is it the norm that the landlord, once agreed, will hold the unit for renter until the planning process is done and when/if granted then the renting leash is signed and taken effect?

Cheers all for all ye'r input so far

Gumbo

JohnJoeRambo wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with applying for planning permission with this kind of scenario or how long the process might take?
I'd imagine it needs to be applied for before actually renting the unit so is it the norm that the landlord, once agreed, will hold the unit for renter until the planning process is done and when/if granted then the renting leash is signed and taken effect?

Cheers all for all ye'r input so far

Once you appoint an architect t and agree layout. (That could take a month in itself)
Lodge the planning application. 3 month process.
Apply for fire safety cert and disability cert. 2 month process.
Lodge commencement notice. 2 week notice.

The owner of the unit may hold it for you but I'd be pretty damn sure you will have to be paying the rent while the process goes through.

First port of call is to engage an architect or engineer and determine if planning, fire cert etc is required. (Most likely is though).

Poor Uncle Tom

JohnJoeRambo wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with applying for planning permission with this kind of scenario or how long the process might take?

It can be as short as 11 weeks. Your Architect can advise on this. What I've found is that the planners will generally turn around the application as fast as possible where jobs or a business are involved. If the planning application, fire certificate application and disabled access certificate are applied for at the same time it can reduce any delays.

All this is dependent on how loose the zoning of the area are as to whether you actually need a new permission or not, your architect will advise on this.