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My understanding of judgement..

  • 02-06-2015 10:23pm
    #1
    bb87
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    In recent years, I've begun to see judgement in very simple terms..

    When [a being] (human being) dies, it goes back to its source [being] (God) and a comparison is made. A comparison between the person one has chosen to become in life, and God. A comparison between Gods love and our love etc.

    Any thoughts?


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  • #2
    am946745
    Closed Accounts Posts: 676 ✭✭✭am946745


    bb87 wrote: »
    In recent years, I've begun to see judgement in very simple terms..

    When [a being] (human being) dies, it goes back to its source [being] (God) and a comparison is made. A comparison between the person one has chosen to become in life, and God. A comparison between Gods love and our love etc.

    Any thoughts?

    Exactly, if we are so unlike our creator then we cant mix, like oil and water..

    We create our own hell as we distance ourselves from God.


  • #3
    bb87
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11 ✭bb87


    am946745 wrote: »
    Exactly, if we are so unlike our creator then we cant mix, like oil and water..

    We create our own hell as we distance ourselves from God.

    It seems so simple and elegant.


  • #4
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    bb87 wrote: »
    In recent years, I've begun to see judgement in very simple terms..

    When [a being] (human being) dies, it goes back to its source [being] (God) and a comparison is made. A comparison between the person one has chosen to become in life, and God. A comparison between Gods love and our love etc.

    Any thoughts?

    Sounds a little like a works based salvation though?


    I too have simplified things. The choice for me is to choose to Trust and follow God or not too.

    If I trust him i forsake my fallen sinful ways and follow his teaching through his word and Christ Jesus as best as I possibly can. When I fail and I will fail lots of time, I pick myself back up and repent to Jesus and do his will not my own.

    Then when I die, I'll knock on the door and Jesus will open it to me, because he knows me and I know him. He will provide me with a new everlasting Body that won't ever die.

    However if someone knocks on the door that doesn't know him then I'm not sure they will get in. They have chosen not to know him, so he doesn't know them either.

    The lord says that we are saved by a free gift of grace, unto works that he has planned before the beginning of time.

    We are not saved by good deeds, we are saved so we may perform God's deeds.


  • #5
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    bb87 wrote: »
    In recent years, I've begun to see judgement in very simple terms..

    When [a being] (human being) dies, it goes back to its source [being] (God) and a comparison is made. A comparison between the person one has chosen to become in life, and God. A comparison between Gods love and our love etc.

    Any thoughts?
    I like it. Except for the fact that on any comparison between me and God, there is no comparison between me and God. And it doesn't matter whether I am faithful, holy, virtuous, etc or the exact opposite. I am still much more comparable to every other human being than I am to God.

    So the way I'd put it is that "judgment" is the discernment of the gap between the person you are, and the person you are called to be. I take Terrlock's concern that this could look like works-based salvation, but that problem goes away if we reflect that the person I am called to be is not defined simply by the works I am called to do.


  • #6
    Terrlock
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    I like it. Except for the fact that on any comparison between me and God, there is no comparison between me and God. And it doesn't matter whether I am faithful, holy, virtuous, etc or the exact opposite. I am still much more comparable to every other human being than I am to God.

    So the way I'd put it is that "judgment" is the discernment of the gap between the person you are, and the person you are called to be. I take Terrlock's concern that this could look like works-based salvation, but that problem goes away if we reflect that the person I am called to be is not defined simply by the works I am called to do.

    I'd agree with that, As long as your focused on Jesus for your Salvation and not that your saved by good works.


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  • #7
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    bb87 wrote: »
    In recent years, I've begun to see judgement in very simple terms..

    When [a being] (human being) dies, it goes back to its source [being] (God) and a comparison is made. A comparison between the person one has chosen to become in life, and God. A comparison between Gods love and our love etc.

    Any thoughts?

    Nice one.

    I've read that when one dies, one is admitted in to the presence of God and that literally a record of your interior life and your exterior life is replayed before you.

    And as the realisation of what your life was materialises for you and others, the awareness of whether or not you a worthy to be with God becomes self evident.


  • #8
    UrFhasaidh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭UrFhasaidh


    Am I to take it that the people in this discussion haven't moved on from the theology of the sixteenth century, and are currently relying on the Scripture Union for reading material?


  • #9
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭homer911


    UrFhasaidh wrote: »
    Am I to take it that the people in this discussion haven't moved on from the theology of the sixteenth century, and are currently relying on the Scripture Union for reading material?

    What's that supposed to mean?


  • #10
    UrFhasaidh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭UrFhasaidh


    It means that theology has moved on from hell fire and brimstone.


  • #11
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭homer911


    UrFhasaidh wrote: »
    It means that theology has moved on from hell fire and brimstone.

    Who mentioned hell fire and brimstone?? Just you.

    The Bible is very clear that we will all indeed face judgement - if you want to classify separation from God as hell fire and brimstone that's your prerogative, but I have never heard God's good news of grace and salvation presented as threats of damnation - it sounds like you are the one making some strange judgements.

    And what have you got against SU Bible reading materials?? (Support with facts please)


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  • #12
    UrFhasaidh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭UrFhasaidh


    Judgment? Really?! No one in contemporary theology bangs on about 'judgement' in the twenty-first century. Have you been following any recent theological journals? I have nothing against the SU. I make sure that our Sunday School group is always well well stocked the SU.


  • #13
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭homer911


    UrFhasaidh wrote: »
    Judgment? Really?! No one in contemporary theology bangs on about 'judgement' in the twenty-first century. Have you been following any recent theological journals? I have nothing against the SU. I make sure that our Sunday School group is always well well stocked the SU.

    No, we don't "bang on" about it, nor do we deny it, nor refuse to discuss it if someone else brings up the topic. This is a discussion forum after all.

    Your earlier post implied that SU bible reading materials focus on "hell fire and brimstone", hardly the case in my experience, nor any other bible reading materials. Perhaps English is not your first language and something got lost in translation?


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