Used BMW 5 series

masterboy123

How many kms can a BMW 5 series (2010 and onwards model) run before having major problems? What's their average life?
If they are being serviced regularly and driven nicely.

Is 200,000 kms used car still a good choice to buy?

Thanks!

Hachiko

200k on a used 5 series, good luck with that. I stick with Japanese cars for the simple fact they are far more reliable than any German car.

Summer wind

I had a 2012 BMW 520d for 3 years. Traded it 2 months ago with almost 80,000km on it. It never gave any trouble. The only money it cost was changing tyres.

bazz26

Have a 2011 F10 auto since last September, it has 120k km on the clock and has cost me nothing other than an oil service and brake fluid change.

The biggest issue these cars have is with the 2.0 litre diesel engine which is known for having a stretching timing chain. BMW have not officially issued a recall on cars with this engine but they are replacing the chains on a case by case basis depending on certain things. If you are buying one of these cars then I recommend buying it with the 2 year warranty from a BMW dealer for extra peace of mind.

masterboy123

Did you have a bad experience with BMW in the past?

Hachiko wrote: »

200k on a used 5 series, good luck with that. I stick with Japanese cars for the simple fact they are far more reliable than any German car.

How much did you pay for your car? I am getting 20 grand offer on 200,000 km used BMW 5 series automatic 2010 model. Do you think its a good price?

bazz26 wrote: »

Have a 2011 F10 auto since last September, it has 120k km on the clock and has cost me nothing other than an oil service and brake fluid change.

The biggest issue these cars have is with the 2.0 litre diesel engine which is known for having a stretching timing chain. BMW have not officially issued a recall on cars with this engine but they are replacing the chains on a case by case basis depending on certain things. If you are buying one of these cars then I recommend buying it with the 2 year warranty from a BMW dealer for extra peace of mind.

Great. Hope its going smooth on ride.

Summer wind wrote: »

I had a 2012 BMW 520d for 3 years. Traded it 2 months ago with almost 80,000km on it. It never gave any trouble. The only money it cost was changing tyres.

Marcusm

Summer wind wrote: »

I had a 2012 BMW 520d for 3 years. Traded it 2 months ago with almost 80,000km on it. It never gave any trouble. The only money it cost was changing tyres.

Not serviced for 3 years?

Theboinkmaster

bazz26 wrote: »

Have a 2011 F10 auto since last September, it has 120k km on the clock and has cost me nothing other than an oil service and brake fluid change.

The biggest issue these cars have is with the 2.0 litre diesel engine which is known for having a stretching timing chain. BMW have not officially issued a recall on cars with this engine but they are replacing the chains on a case by case basis depending on certain things. If you are buying one of these cars then I recommend buying it with the 2 year warranty from a BMW dealer for extra peace of mind.

Think was fixed from March 2011 on

bazz26

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Think was fixed from March 2011 on

Nope, still happening on 2012/2013 cars.

Summer wind

Marcusm wrote: »

Not serviced for 3 years?

Took out a service pack when I bought the car for €400 for 3 years or 60,000 miles. Servicing taken care of with no worries. Never had a thing go wrong with the car. The only money it cost me in 3 years was changing tyres.

masterboy123

I am getting offer of 20K on 200,000 km used 5 series auto 2010 model. 2 owners and full service history available.
Do you think its a good price?

bazz26

200k km is about 124k miles which is not huge in the grand scheme of things. These cars can handle high mileage but the chain may not. If you put up any sort of decent mileage on top of that then the car will be near worthless come resale time.

What sort of warranty are you getting with the car?

corglass

That sounds very expensive

bazz26

Hard to find a decent sub €20k F10 auto though.

masterboy123

its from a private seller. no available warranty.
How much would a chain replacement costs?

bazz26 wrote: »

200k km is about 124k miles which is not huge in the grand scheme of things. These cars can handle high mileage but the chain may not. If you put up any sort of decent mileage on top of that then the car will be near worthless come resale time.

What sort of warranty are you getting with the car?

masterboy123

thats right. looking for auto only. its in 20k range on online websites.

bazz26 wrote: »

Hard to find a decent sub €20k F10 auto though.

166man

masterboy123 wrote: »

I am getting offer of 20K on 200,000 km used 5 series auto 2010 model. 2 owners and full service history available.
Do you think its a good price?

I think you'd be utterly mad. Buy a similar Audi A6 instead, far less hassle longer term.

Hachiko

this is all about diesel i think, out of my comfort zone. don't think an A6 would make it any better, unless you get them dirt cheap in the first place.

bazz26

That is way too much for a private sale imo. You will be looking at about €1500 to have the chain replaced by an indy.

Any links to the advert? Here are a few from dealers with some sort of warranty for similar money:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/BMW/5-Series/.520-D/134314222947599380/

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/BMW/5-Series/520-D/166614322856430110/

And a cheaper private sale:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-bmw-520-diesel-auto/9125544?offset=2

166man

Hachiko wrote: »

this is all about diesel i think, out of my comfort zone. don't think an A6 would make it any better, unless you get them dirt cheap in the first place.

What?

An A6 won't have any of the chain problems that the BMW will have. Pretty simple,really

Theboinkmaster

bazz26 wrote: »

Nope, still happening on 2012/2013 cars.

Link?

bazz26

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Link?

Still common on the F30 which was only introduced in 2012:

Post #30 of the below thread:
http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39216&page=3

Honest John:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/56418/bmw-f30-316d-timing-chain-failure

F30 forum:
http://www.f30driver.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1030511

From the horse's mouth - Post #12 here:
http://www.backroads.ie/forums/showthread.php?14202-BMW-N47-2-0d-Timing-Chain/page2

166man

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Link?

We had 2012 cars and even a 2013 car in getting the chain done, can't really link that though!

Source - worked for main BMW dealer.

Theboinkmaster

I've a November 2011 f10 520d m sport so getting worried now

It's within warranty until this coming November, what should I do? Love the car and never had any issues with it.

It's getting new rear brakes in September from main dealer, is there any preventative work that can be done?

bazz26

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I've a November 2011 f10 520d m sport so getting worried now

It's within warranty until this coming November, what should I do? Love the car and never had any issues with it.

It's getting new rear brakes in September from main dealer, is there any preventative work that can be done?

The dealers apparently have a test procedure for checking the timing chain, not sure what it is, it could just be to listen to the engine running and sound of a noisy chain or something more elaborate. Best thing to do is ask them to check it when the pads are being done.

Idbatterim

20k for that for a private sale! Buy a 06 730D for nearly one third the price, and that's after a few second browse...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/730d/9322842?offset=5

that car asking 20k, if you are putting up moderate to big mileage will sell for sub 10,000k in two years time...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201506013933340/sort/default/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ls298jn/model/5_series/page/2/transmission/automatic/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/make/bmw/usedcars/radius/1501/channel/cars?logcode=p

£10900 = E14848, plus the cost of VRT, flight over, ferry and car check

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201505053186977/sort/default/transmission/automatic/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/1/model/5_series/make/bmw/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/postcode/ls298jn/radius/1501/usedcars/channel/cars?logcode=p

166man

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I've a November 2011 f10 520d m sport so getting worried now

It's within warranty until this coming November, what should I do? Love the car and never had any issues with it.

It's getting new rear brakes in September from main dealer, is there any preventative work that can be done?

Drop into them in the next few weeks and mention it to them. Don't leave until September imo

masterboy123

7 series engine is too big. But thanks for the suggesting me.

The other links you provided are from UK, and VRT would be in the range of E4000, making all together again 20,000 euros plus the hassle of going there and not sure if warranty would be valid in Ireland.

Any other link for car? which are based Ireland?

Idbatterim wrote: »

20k for that for a private sale! Buy a 06 730D for nearly one third the price, and that's after a few second browse...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/730d/9322842?offset=5

that car asking 20k, if you are putting up moderate to big mileage will sell for sub 10,000k in two years time...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201506013933340/sort/default/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/ls298jn/model/5_series/page/2/transmission/automatic/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/make/bmw/usedcars/radius/1501/channel/cars?logcode=p

£10900 = E14848, plus the cost of VRT, flight over, ferry and car check

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201505053186977/sort/default/transmission/automatic/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/1/model/5_series/make/bmw/maximum-mileage/up_to_100000_miles/postcode/ls298jn/radius/1501/usedcars/channel/cars?logcode=p

Idbatterim

just a few things masterboy. have you owned a bmw before, why you specifically want this car? do you do the mileage to warrant a diesel? do you have a preference for auto or manual, or are you sure?

below is an example of an E60, the older 5 series, same engine, same tax, from dealer, asking E9950 for one with 117,000 on the clock....

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2008-bmw-5-series-bmw-520-se-cork-fpa-153014279939745420

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2008-bmw-5-series-520d-se-dublin-fpa-166814325741838780

I really would not be going for the cheapest F10 you can find, to "save" money, its going to be worth near nothing in 2/3 years, if it is already at say 120,000+ and you are putting moderate to high mileage on her...

Idbatterim

I was just browsing what was for sale on bmwdrivernet, the below is a 2011 with half the mileage of the car you were looking at OP, timing chain along with some other jobs just done...

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=121234

streets ahead of the one you linked to value wise...

masterboy123

No, I never owned a BMW or any other premium car. It's just been like a dream to own a BMW or Benz/Audi. I don't have much idea about the maintenance of these cars, but from the feedback sounds like timing belt is an issue with BMW F10's and it costs lots.

I am currently using automatic car, and would prefer auto in future too.

I like F10 more than E60, given the new front design and better interiors. I understand your point that if its used alrady 200K kms, and if i add in another 200K kms then its value would be nothing.

I am looking for Audi A4 also these days.

So do you guys recommend to get car which is below 120K kms mileage?

Idbatterim wrote: »

just a few things masterboy. have you owned a bmw before, why you specifically want this car? do you do the mileage to warrant a diesel? do you have a preference for auto or manual, or are you sure?

below is an example of an E60, the older 5 series, same engine, same tax, from dealer, asking E9950 for one with 117,000 on the clock....

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2008-bmw-5-series-bmw-520-se-cork-fpa-153014279939745420

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2008-bmw-5-series-520d-se-dublin-fpa-166814325741838780

I really would not be going for the cheapest F10 you can find, to "save" money, its going to be worth near nothing in 2/3 years, if it is already at say 120,000+ and you are putting moderate to high mileage on her...

masterboy123

the asking price is out of my budget. I really love this model though, wish I could afford it...

Idbatterim wrote: »

I was just browsing what was for sale on bmwdrivernet, the below is a 2011 with half the mileage of the car you were looking at OP, timing chain along with some other jobs just done...

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=121234

streets ahead of the one you linked to value wise...

Greyian

Idbatterim wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2008-bmw-5-series-bmw-520-se-cork-fpa-153014279939745420

I really don't understand people who would spend €45k+ on a car, but not get leather seats.

Edit: Talking about the original owner

bazz26

masterboy123 wrote: »

the asking price is out of my budget. I really love this model though, wish I could afford it...

My advice would be if you cannot afford a good one then wait until you can.

Idbatterim

I really don't understand people who would spend €45k+ on a car, but not get leather seats.

Edit: Talking about the original owner

But the neighbours wont be able to see the interior as they twitch through the curtains, they see a brand shpanking new bmw :rolleyes: Who picks that colour also, it has to harm the resale value when they offload it...

Idbatterim

the asking price is out of my budget. I really love this model though, wish I could afford it...

My advice would be if you cannot afford a good one then wait until you can.

see this if the funny thing, you cant afford the extra 5k asking price, but you can afford to lose an extra 10,000 or so over 2 the years... Do as Bazz says and wait for prices to drop further or save more, or get a different car IMO...

listermint

166man wrote: »

I think you'd be utterly mad. Buy a similar Audi A6 instead, far less hassle longer term.

Erm ha ha and lols.

My father bought an A6 it was only off the forecourt so to speak and the Turbo went in it.

Fair play to the dealer though they took the full hit on the repairs (which took a while because they were looking at all options before finally biting the turbo bullet) i think it was 2300 - 2500 to get done.

This in a 3 year old car.

Its not the first Audi that has turbo replaced. 2 Friends similar experiences on older A6

listermint

Greyian wrote: »

I really don't understand people who would spend €45k+ on a car, but not get leather seats.

Edit: Talking about the original owner

Ive had 2 leather seat cars. To be honest they are cold in the winter and bollix warm in the summer. So i can see why someone may choose not to.

They wear well and look good though. Thats about it.

bazz26

What you need is leather heated and ventilated seats. Solves the occasional hot and cold issue.

masterboy123

Coming back to the point, looks like i should wait another year for the prices to drop and to save more...
thanks for the input everyone.

Idbatterim

bear in mind masterboy, that all of the prices are only ASKING prices, now there probably wont be much wiggle room on an averagely priced one from a dealer, a few percent. But if its private, its an entirely different ball game...

Some people desperately need to sell, or put it up at a price they feel reasonable, but find that the market doesn't agree and accept reality and either lower the asking price online or wherever, or start entertaining figures they would have scoffed at a few weeks or months ago...

I doubt you would have to wait a full year, I wouldn't be surprised if towards the latter end of the year or early in 2016, that you could get one with a fair bit less mileage for 16-17k...

bazz26

Decent F10s are holding their value quite well despite the number of them around, even early 5 year old good examples are still hovering about the €20k mark. Wait until around October or November and you should start to see them drop. Cheapest ones will always be cheap for a reason.

TJJP

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I've a November 2011 f10 520d m sport so getting worried now

It's within warranty until this coming November, what should I do?

I'd have it checked by dealer just to be on the safe side. Seems pretty straight forward now if they find an issue with the chain though. Otherwise, you should also get offered a BMW Insured warranty extension come November. As I recall it was about €690 to extend full cover for a year with a €350 excess. There's a 'no excess' option for about €1,000 and then other variations of warranty extension, such as 'engine and drive train only' all at different prices.

Hachiko

bazz26 wrote: »

What you need is leather heated and ventilated seats. Solves the occasional hot and cold issue.

ventilated seats good for the occasional flatulence issue also

:P