Fixed term posts readvertised after year 1

maynooth_rules

Just reading on TUI News.

Post automatically advertised after Year 1
all teachers on their first fixed-term contract will have their
positions terminated at the end of year 1. The position will
automatically be re-advertised and a new recruitment process
undertaken. Therefore, the teacher will need to apply for and
interview for the position at the end of year 1.

Whats the logic behind this? Is this not just creating more interviews where people will attend and the job is already essentially guaranteed to someone?

man_no_plan

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Just reading on TUI News.



Whats the logic behind this? Is this not just creating more interviews where people will attend and the job is already essentially guaranteed to someone?

Its part of the ward report recommendations. Its effectively your interview for permanency.

seavill

Maybe not everyone will be kept

man_no_plan

seavill wrote: »

Maybe not everyone will be kept

That's what I mean.

katydid

man_no_plan wrote: »

Its part of the ward report recommendations. Its effectively your interview for permanency.

If it's your interview for permanency there should be no other candidates; just you justifying yourself as to why you should remain in your job.

seavill

Permanent jobs have always been advertised fully and full interview process with other candidates

katydid

seavill wrote: »

Permanent jobs have always been advertised fully and full interview process with other candidates

Yes, but if you have done an interview for a permanent job in the first place, at the end of the probationary year your position should be reviewed, after a year of supervision and support. Without the pressure of other candidates in the equation.

If it is found that the person is not suitable for the job, then it can be re-advertised.

seavill

What's your point thats not how it works so what are we talking about

katydid

seavill wrote: »

What's your point thats not how it works so what are we talking about

The point is that I am addressing the issue raised in the OP...

man_no_plan

All fixed term job were readvertised

That's the long and the short of it. There's no mention of probation etc. If you are reappointed you will get a cid so it is effectively an interview for a permanent position.

As seavill pointed out someone could well be dropped after year one.

seavill

The point was what's the logic you came back with a new system that isn't used. Anyway this isn't helping either

katydid

man_no_plan wrote: »

All fixed term job were readvertised

That's the long and the short of it. There's no mention of probation etc. If you are reappointed you will get a cid so it is effectively an interview for a permanent position.

As seavill pointed out someone could well be dropped after year one.

The OP asked what the logic of it was...hence a discussion of the issue. What's what forums are for...

man_no_plan

katydid wrote: »

The OP asked what the logic of it was...hence a discussion of the issue. What's what forums are for...

The logic is that with a two year cid period employers will probably feel more comfortable having a second shot at recruiting for the position.

I'm not saying its a good idea, its the only logic I can see in it though.

katydid

man_no_plan wrote: »

The logic is that with a two year cid period employers will probably feel more comfortable having a second shot at recruiting for the position.

I'm not saying its a good idea, its the only logic I can see in it though.

Yes, I agree, but it should be a two step process. First, the teacher in situ should be given the chance to show they deserve to be kept on. And if it is decided that they are not suitable, then stage two should kick in, the recruitment of someone else should take place.

evolving_doors

man_no_plan wrote: »

Its part of the ward report recommendations. Its effectively your interview for permanency.

I suppose the subtlety is in the word 'permanency'. Permanency should imply 22hrs whereas you could, in reality, be re-applying for an 8hr fixed term contract again!.... and then does that mean at the end of year 2 you would be obliged to compete yet again for the CID.

I get the feeling no matter what teacher goes for a few hours of a job they should think themselves 'not quite good enough' even when they get accepted, as they will have to re-interview another 2 times again. Am I misreading something here?

man_no_plan

Gebgbegb wrote: »

I suppose the subtlety is in the word 'permanency'. Permanency should imply 22hrs whereas you could, in reality, be re-applying for an 8hr fixed term contract again!.... and then does that mean at the end of year 2 you would be obliged to compete yet again for the CID.

I get the feeling no matter what teacher goes for a few hours of a job they should think themselves 'not quite good enough' even when they get accepted, as they will have to re-interview another 2 times again. Am I misreading something here?

I take your point on the permanent whole time idea.

Once you have completed two years you are entitled to a CID now unless its a jobshare (must check other exceptions can't remember) and additional hours in your subject should be offered to you in the future unless. In that sense you're not going anywhere!!

I don't want to get into good teacher / bad teacher. I am worried that it may be abused by a few.

I think there has to be a better system though. A good teacher might have a bad year in a particular school, I hate to think that that could be the end of them. The first year in a school can be hard no matter how long you're at it. What do you do if years 2, 3 and 4 aren't any better?? Should there be a chance to move to a different type of school?

Until there is an answer and a panel of some sort new teachers will be picked up and dropped every year.

Hazelnut Button

Gebgbegb wrote: »

I suppose the subtlety is in the word 'permanency'. Permanency should imply 22hrs whereas you could, in reality, be re-applying for an 8hr fixed term contract again!.... and then does that mean at the end of year 2 you would be obliged to compete yet again for the CID.

I get the feeling no matter what teacher goes for a few hours of a job they should think themselves 'not quite good enough' even when they get accepted, as they will have to re-interview another 2 times again. Am I misreading something here?

My understanding of the new rules is that someone who gets a Cid of 8hrs will have their Cid increased once they hold the extra hours for a full year. So for example, you get a Cid of 8hrs after year 2. In year 3 you teach 22 hours. Your Cid will be brought up to 22 hours in year 4 provided the extra hours are not someone else's sick leave etc...

I'm open to correction on the above.

TheDriver

Your hours will be increased IF there are hours to give you, in your subject. Also remember a loNger CID gets offered them first etc etc.....

theLuggage

You have to do two years with the new hours also. It's basically building up your CID again. At least under the old rules. I haven't seen anything that has changed this.