Beautiful/handsome nonsense

blackcard

Imagine you were brought back in time before man existed and asked to design a human being. You can draw inspiration from all the colours in the universe and from all creatures that existed.You could give this human being the strength of a lion, the height of a giraffe, the speed of a cougar, the plumage of a pheasant, the flying ability of a bird, the swimming ability of a fish. You could give it fur or feathers. But we ended up like we are. If you had no preconception of what beauty was and you lined up a man and woman in the midst of all these creatures, you would say that humans would rank nearly last in terms of beauty alongside turkeys and coyotes. Yet we describe women as beautiful and men as handsome. A woman on a night out may have eyelashes like a spiders legs, hair over her eyes plucked to resemble caterpillars, blood coloured lips, eyeshadow as if she had black eyes, her skin may be varnished a shade of orange, she may be tottering around on elevated clogs which crush her toes, her hair may be discoloured with some peroxide and she may appear to be starving. But we call this beauty. Similarly, a dark, brooding, bad boy a lack Poldark may be described as handsome whereas the reality may be they have charcoal coloured unkempt hair, and are sulky and bad tempered. A bad boy is more than likely going to become a bad man.
Going back in history, a war was fought over Helen of Troy, but you wouldn't give a second look to someone that her now, Shakespeare extolled the milky white skin of a lover, Maude Gonne to me looked stern and severe and Marilyn Monroe would be told to go on a diet. So beauty is only made up. There is no reason why someone with red hair and freckles is not as beautiful as someone who is blonde and tanned. But we have been brainwashed into an idea of beauty
Kids watching cartoons are given images of what is considered handsome and beautiful and this is carried on through all sections of media. The emperor has no clothes. To me beauty is someone healthy with clear eyes, a smile, natural, a gentle touch, a soft voice. I think most people are mad.

fleet_admiral

tl;dr

Cold War Kid

blackcard wrote: »

A woman on a night out may have eyelashes like a spiders legs, hair over her eyes plucked to resemble caterpillars, blood coloured lips, eyeshadow as if she had black eyes, her skin may be varnished a shade of orange, she may be tottering around on elevated clogs which crush her toes, her hair may be discoloured with some peroxide and she may appear to be starving. But we call this beauty. Similarly, a dark, brooding, bad boy a lack Poldark may be described as handsome whereas the reality may be they have charcoal coloured unkempt hair, and are sulky and bad tempered. A bad boy is more than likely going to become a bad man.

Not true about the woman anyway - that look gets pilloried. Even though I know lots of women still go for it, but lots and lots don't consider it beauty.

The guy you describe does seem handsome. Might be a horrible person but still handsome aesthetically.

I don't really get your point - beauty is both subjective and objective. Plenty don't share the popular notion of beauty, and even if they do, they're entitled to their opinion.

Timberrrrrrrr

fleet_admiral wrote: »

tl;dr

Some fat guy can't get a GF so decided to have a rant.

Adamantium

Not this ****e again. I like thin women of varying looks, may be it's DNA, maybe it's certain animal parts of our brains, like the look of each other.

The media is just reflecting that.

Cold War Kid

Adamantium wrote: »

Not this ****e again. I like thin women of varying looks, may be it's DNA, maybe it's certain animal parts of our brains, like the look of each other.

The media is just reflecting that.

I don't know who reflects who though. Look at when fatter women were considered beautiful (the likes of Rubens chicks).

Scuid Mhór

blackcard wrote: »

Imagine you were brought back in time before man existed and asked to design a human being. You can draw inspiration from all the colours in the universe and from all creatures that existed.You could give this human being the strength of a lion, the height of a giraffe, the speed of a cougar, the plumage of a pheasant, the flying ability of a bird, the swimming ability of a fish. You could give it fur or feathers. But we ended up like we are. If you had no preconception of what beauty was and you lined up a man and woman in the midst of all these creatures, you would say that humans would rank nearly last in terms of beauty alongside turkeys and coyotes. Yet we describe women as beautiful and men as handsome. A woman on a night out may have eyelashes like a spiders legs, hair over her eyes plucked to resemble caterpillars, blood coloured lips, eyeshadow as if she had black eyes, her skin may be varnished a shade of orange, she may be tottering around on elevated clogs which crush her toes, her hair may be discoloured with some peroxide and she may appear to be starving. But we call this beauty. Similarly, a dark, brooding, bad boy a lack Poldark may be described as handsome whereas the reality may be they have charcoal coloured unkempt hair, and are sulky and bad tempered. A bad boy is more than likely going to become a bad man.
Going back in history, a war was fought over Helen of Troy, but you wouldn't give a second look to someone that her now, Shakespeare extolled the milky white skin of a lover, Maude Gonne to me looked stern and severe and Marilyn Monroe would be told to go on a diet. So beauty is only made up. There is no reason why someone with red hair and freckles is not as beautiful as someone who is blonde and tanned. But we have been brainwashed into an idea of beauty
Kids watching cartoons are given images of what is considered handsome and beautiful and this is carried on through all sections of media. The emperor has no clothes. To me beauty is someone healthy with clear eyes, a smile, natural, a gentle touch, a soft voice. I think most people are mad.

This post is presented to you by Darwinism, sponsored by denial.

catallus

blackcard wrote: »

Maude Gonne to me looked stern and severe

People in old photos do look very serious but that's only because the idea of smiling into a camera was absurd to them.

Imagine keeping a grin on your face for over the thirty seconds or even a minute it took to take a photo back then!

catallus

Gonzblau wrote: »

Our brains have been programmed to find people attractive who could give our offspring quality genetic material. It's as simple as that.

It's all in the Bible, too.

Gran Hermano

Clear eyes?
We'll be checking for a shiny coat next.

blackcard

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Some fat guy can't get a GF so decided to have a rant.

Actually, I am slim and I like slender women myself because I have been brainwashed too

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Some fat guy can't get a GF so decided to have a rant.

Should've gotten a paragraph or two instead.

Scuid Mhór

If you had no preconception of what beauty was and you lined up a man and woman in the midst of all these creatures, you would say that humans would rank nearly last in terms of beauty alongside turkeys and coyotes.

Also - is anyone going to challenge this it does it perhaps challenge itself

Cold War Kid

blackcard wrote: »

Actually, I am slim and I like slender women myself because I have been brainwashed too

Why have you necessarily been brainwashed? Maybe it is your actual preference?

blackcard

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Why have you necessarily been brainwashed? Maybe it is your actual preference?

Where did my preference come from? I think it came from other people telling me what was beautiful

catallus

blackcard wrote: »

Where did my preference come from? I think it came from other people telling me what was beautiful

Maybe it came from God?

Scuid Mhór

blackcard wrote: »

Where did my preference come from? I think it came from other people telling me what was beautiful

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

LDN_Irish

catallus wrote: »

Maybe it came from God?

Yeah, God is definitely in South Central LA going "and these ones... These ones are gonna like big booty bitches!"

blackcard

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

I think Darwanism explains the preference for tall blokes and women with child bearing hips but not why skinny, blonde tanned women are considered beautiful

Adamantium

So there was a time and century where Alexandra Daddario wouldn't have been considered attractive? I doubt that. She would have been considered attractive in any era of history.

deise08

Ah well im screwed so.

ceadaoin.

blackcard wrote: »

I think Darwanism explains the preference for tall blokes and women with child bearing hips but not why skinny, blonde tanned women are considered beautiful

All different types of women are considered beautiful though. It's more about facial symmetry etc than hair extensions and fake tan. That's just a look that happens to be popular with some people right now, it doesn't really change their attractiveness level.

DoYouEvenLift

So you're telling us...different people like different things?


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silverfeather

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http://www.easyhealthtips.org/4-popular-beauty-standards-cultures-around-world/

jjC123

Most people can actually agree on whats attractive though? Tall, healthy, not overweight nor underweight, thick hair, symmetrical face, large eyes in women. Then the rest I suppose is a mix of fashion and personal preference. And I suppose people of the same race will tend to be attracted to their own race as a general trend.

But even if a guy likes slim girls with blonde hair, say Gweneth Paltrow (maybe due to pop culture, maybe due to preference) , most of them will agree that Katy Perry or Michelle Rodriguez or Jessica Chastain is hot despite not being blonde.

blatantrereg

There is no reason why someone with red hair and freckles is not as beautiful as someone who is blonde and tanned

op is ginger.

Gran Hermano

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Clear eyes?
We'll be checking for a shiny coat next.

Shiny, healthy hair is a good indication of general health, which is attractive on every level. It's likely why we're attracted to a nice smile with even, unstained teeth too. Hair, eyes, nails, teeth and skin all factor into attraction in the first seven seconds of seeing someone new. Naturally dark lips are very attractive too, indicating good blood flow and mirroring more intimate body parts.

blackcard

blatantrereg wrote: »

op is ginger.

Wrong but if I was why should that make a difference?

blatantrereg

blackcard wrote: »

Wrong but if I was why should that make a difference?

op fancies a ginger

blackcard

blatantrereg wrote: »

op fancies a ginger

True, she's red hot

Saralee4

even if you consider someone as beautiful/handsome, your view of the persons beauty can change rapidly by something they say or do.

strobe

blackcard wrote: »

the plumage of a pheasant.

The only reason a male pheasant with an impressive plumage gets all the hens is because the hens have been tricked and forced and conditioned by the pheasant media and the ever present and oppressive pheasant social dogma of what is supposed to be an attractive trait in a pheasant. All pheasants are equally attractive. Any veneer of an innate sense of attractiveness is a result of corporations trying to make money out of telling them they have to have a certain kind of plumage. Probably back in the 9th century, probably pheasants without any plumage whatsoever, probably were what the hens probably liked, probably, cause that was what was probably socially what was expected, cause socially, probably, and the rich pheasants had no plumage then, probably, cause pheasants like money, and stuff. Social standing and whatever. What hens like in a plumage is totally dictated by social mores. Probably. Pheasants.

See the fnords man, don't be a sheeple.

Saralee4

Saralee4 wrote: »

even if you consider someone as beautiful/handsome, your view of the persons beauty can change rapidly by something they say or do.

Ugly is as ugly does.

Eugene Norman

Humans of all cultures tend to agree on attractiveness. Symmetry. Good skin. A certain hip waist ratio in women. Skin colour or hair or eye colours are personal or cultural. I tend to prefer darker skin even though am a Celt.

It's an incredibly dumb argument to think humans are ugly compared to other animals, any beauty you find in other animals is based on the similar traits they have darwinistically with us.

And of course aliens might find us ugly. They might be bug like creatures and we'd find them ugly.

And Marilyn Monroe and Maud Gonne were attractive

Here's a decent photo of Ms G.

http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2011/116/5746941_130392795052.jpg

Cold War Kid

blackcard wrote: »

Where did my preference come from? I think it came from other people telling me what was beautiful

Or it could be your innate preference. It's not exactly "out there" to fancy slim women.

ThinkProgress

blackcard wrote: »

There is no reason why someone with red hair and freckles is not as beautiful as someone who is blonde and tanned.

So you're a ginger whinger and you're looking for some reassurance from us humans. No problem ginger pubes... but you didn't need to write that big spiel.

Don't worry - the cure is coming. Just hold on in there.

blackcard wrote: »

I think most people are mad.

Stage 3 people - That's how it usually starts. (stay strong!)

blackcard

ThinkProgress wrote: »

So you're a ginger whinger and you're looking for some reassurance from us humans. No problem ginger pubes... but you didn't need to write that big spiel.

Don't worry - the cure is coming. Just hold on in there.




Stage 3 people - That's how it usually starts. (stay strong!)

Am not ginger and you are not classy

silverfeather

ThinkProgress wrote: »

So you're a ginger whinger and you're looking for some reassurance from us humans. No problem ginger pubes... but you didn't need to write that big spiel.

Don't worry - the cure is coming. Just hold on in there.




Stage 3 people - That's how it usually starts. (stay strong!)

You are teasing the superficial surface image of someone you have never seen. Shots in the dark.:rolleyes:

ThinkProgress

blackcard wrote: »

Am not ginger and you are not classy

If you say so....

Did it really seem like I was aiming for "classy"? lol

Knex*

catallus wrote: »

People in old photos do look very serious but that's only because the idea of smiling into a camera was absurd to them.

Imagine keeping a grin on your face for over the thirty seconds or even a minute it took to take a photo back then!

That's what happened with the Mona Lisa.

ThinkProgress

silverfeather wrote: »

Shots in the dark.:rolleyes:

Ok, but it's late... and I don't really know you very well... and I'm scared of the dark! :eek:

retro:electro

Methinks op looks like something from Saint Clobberts

blackcard

ceadaoin. wrote: »

All different types of women are considered beautiful though. It's more about facial symmetry etc than hair extensions and fake tan. That's just a look that happens to be popular with some people right now, it doesn't really change their attractiveness level.

If the left side of your face is ugly and the right hand side of your face is ugly, this makes your face symmetrical but not attractive. Most turkeys have symmetrical faces

blackcard

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Not true about the woman anyway - that look gets pilloried. Even though I know lots of women still go for it, but lots and lots don't consider it beauty.

The guy you describe does seem handsome. Might be a horrible person but still handsome aesthetically.

I don't really get your point - beauty is both subjective and objective. Plenty don't share the popular notion of beauty, and even if they do, they're entitled to their opinion.

So someone has dark hair and dark features. What is intrinsically attractive about this?