starter motors

jimini0 · 27-05-2015 12:32pm #1

I have an old case 1494. The starter is gone was just goin to buy a new one. Its the original starter from new 1984. What's the best option?
1. Buy new one?
2. Get the old one reconditioned?

Justjens · 27-05-2015 12:53pm

Get the old one looked at, then make the decision on economics of which is cheaper!

_Brian · 27-05-2015 1:12pm

Old one should be capable of a recon. However, on a few occasions I've seen comments of "high speed" starters to
Improve starting of some older tractors. Might be worth investigating.

joejobrien · 27-05-2015 2:07pm

I think the cost between either option is very small, go with new one.
anyway there not a fortune

johndeere3350 · 27-05-2015 2:14pm

If your going new get good one tho as theres a heap of ****e ones out there that will just piss you off after a short amount of time

Farmer Pudsey · 27-05-2015 2:37pm

Would be very slow to get anything recoditioned nowads in the line of starters or alternators especially very old as unless he completely recoditions it it will give trouble again in a few years time. Get a hi-speed starter a good one will set you back about 180 euro. Cannot remember the brand I got but it starts with the letter I.Most reputable tractor parts dealers will have a good model in stock. For all some lads guff nearly everything in this line is now made in China. it just a matter of buying ones that the manufacturer has quality control in place.

jimini0 · 27-05-2015 4:12pm

I was going to just buy a new one until an old neighbour told me the new ones are pure muck and I should get it reconditioned.
I might just buy a good one.
Any recommendations of where in mayo is best to deal with?

orm0nd · 27-05-2015 4:44pm

jimini0 wrote: »

I was going to just buy a new one until an old neighbour told me the new ones are pure muck and I should get it reconditioned.
I might just buy a good one.
Any recommendations of where in mayo is best to deal with?

I agree with your neighbour

,are there any good auto electrical in your area ?

what symptoms is the your own giving ,

a full over haul with new solenoid new bendix new bushes shouldn't cost more than €100 ,

google "auto electrical repairs mayo" should give you a list in your area

johndeere3350 · 27-05-2015 6:52pm

Will cost 100 easy to repair may be even double that.
You have the two bushings.
4 brushes the brush holder.
The bendix and the solinied.
Having said all that you may get away with just one component

jimini0 · 27-05-2015 9:00pm

I kind of inherited the tractor. Long story short. I borrowed the tractor to bring in bales . It was not starting it had to be jumped off the starter. When I was finished with it I parked it in the yard so my cousin could pick it up the next day. But its been parked there since.
So I know the starter is dodgy.
I'm still torn between a new one or get other one reconditioned.
Might just have to toss a coin.

Farmer Pudsey · 27-05-2015 9:06pm

jimini0 wrote: »

I kind of inherited the tractor. Long story short. I borrowed the tractor to bring in bales . It was not starting it had to be jumped off the starter. When I was finished with it I parked it in the yard so my cousin could pick it up the next day. But its been parked there since.
So I know the starter is dodgy.
I'm still torn between a new one or get other one reconditioned.
Might just have to toss a coin.

With any old tractor I be putting a hi-speed starter in it. It makes them so easy to start easy on battery as well

tanko · 27-05-2015 9:11pm

Are you certain it's the starter that's gone. I thought the starter was gone on my old 590 last week, turned out it was the key switch.
One new key switch later it's starting better than ever.

Bullocks · 28-05-2015 6:29am

jimini0 wrote: »

I kind of inherited the tractor. Long story short. I borrowed the tractor to bring in bales . It was not starting it had to be jumped off the starter. When I was finished with it I parked it in the yard so my cousin could pick it up the next day. But its been parked there since.
So I know the starter is dodgy.
I'm still torn between a new one or get other one reconditioned.
Might just have to toss a coin.

If you are jumping it off the starter I'm not sure if the starter is bad , how is the battery or alternator/leads ? Maybe ask a local mechanic to have a look before you go buying anything .
Hi speed starter is a great job for something thats a bit slow to start alright

jimini0 · 28-05-2015 7:04am

Bullocks wrote: »

If you are jumping it off the starter I'm not sure if the starter is bad , how is the battery or alternator/leads ? Maybe ask a local mechanic to have a look before you go buying anything .
Hi speed starter is a great job for something thats a bit slow to start alright

I charged the battery last week. The wiring on it looks bad alright. I'll get a local mechanic to have a look today. He mostly deals with cars but the odd tractor too. I'm sure he will have an idea what's up or can point me in the right direction

johndeere3350 · 28-05-2015 1:14pm

If the battery leads are bad she won't start.
For the price of a set of leads I'd trow them on it two for peace of mind

orm0nd · 28-05-2015 1:43pm

jimini0 wrote: »

I kind of inherited the tractor. Long story short. I borrowed the tractor to bring in bales . It was not starting it had to be jumped off the starter. When I was finished with it I parked it in the yard so my cousin could pick it up the next day. But its been parked there since.
So I know the starter is dodgy.
I'm still torn between a new one or get other one reconditioned.
Might just have to toss a coin.

if that's the case it's you key switch or the solenoid or perhaps just a loose connection, any mechanic should be able to trace it in a few moments

FFS get it sorted one way or the the other B4 some body jumps it in gear and gets killed,

sad case here locally 2 years ago

Bullocks · 28-05-2015 1:45pm

orm0nd wrote: »

if that's the case it's you key switch or the solenoid or perhaps just a loose connection, any mechanic should be able to trace it in a few moments

FFS get it sorted one way or the the other B4 some body jumps it in gear and gets killed,

sad case here locally 2 years ago

That's true , happened near us last year aswell

jimini0 · 28-05-2015 2:35pm

orm0nd wrote: »

if that's the case it's you key switch or the solenoid or perhaps just a loose connection, any mechanic should be able to trace it in a few moments

FFS get it sorted one way or the the other B4 some body jumps it in gear and gets killed,

sad case here locally 2 years ago

I'm well aware of the dangers of jumping it. I witnessed such an accident as a kid. Luckly it was only a broken foot. That's why it wont be touched again till its starting on the key.

jimini0 · 28-05-2015 2:40pm

Well the starter is off. My man tested the starter with leads in the shed. Its not turning over properly. Its "whizzing" hw said. So I'm bringing I to a auto electrics guy tomorrow. The tractor is getting a new ignition and all new wires to starter from both sides.

White Clover · 28-05-2015 3:27pm

jimini0 wrote: »

Well the starter is off. My man tested the starter with leads in the shed. Its not turning over properly. Its "whizzing" hw said. So I'm bringing I to a auto electrics guy tomorrow. The tractor is getting a new ignition and all new wires to starter from both sides.

That's the job. It's as handy to have these things working as they should

orm0nd · 28-05-2015 3:44pm

jimini0 wrote: »

Well the starter is off. My man tested the starter with leads in the shed. Its not turning over properly. Its "whizzing" hw said. So I'm bringing I to a auto electrics guy tomorrow. The tractor is getting a new ignition and all new wires to starter from both sides.

that's the way to go ,, good work !

jimini0 · 28-05-2015 3:57pm

Thanks everyone for your help. The people of boards are a mighty help altogether. I just found the make of the starter when I cleaned it. Its a LUCAS. my man said they are a good make. And well worth fixing

Farmer Pudsey · 28-05-2015 5:08pm

jimini0 wrote: »

Thanks everyone for your help. The people of boards are a mighty help altogether. I just found the make of the starter when I cleaned it. Its a LUCAS. my man said they are a good make. And well worth fixing

Been there done that and IMO it a waste of time. I reconditioned two starters both only lasted 3-4 years. These were by different (top class) auto electricians that do this type of work. In most cases for an easy fix it is 50 euro+ and another part will go fairly fast. If it needs a big overhaul you will be over 100 euro.

Nekarsulm · 28-05-2015 5:39pm

Probably just a sticky Bendix. The cog wheel on the end of the starter motor is sticking and not shooting outwards to engage with the flywheel. Is it clatty dirty, with old oil and clutch dust?
Try washing it with petrol or paraffin. Dry well and put a little grease on the pinion.Worth a try, as it's a free fix. Google "Bendix" cleaning or try youtube.

orm0nd · 28-05-2015 7:31pm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Been there done that and IMO it a waste of time. I reconditioned two starters both only lasted 3-4 years. These were by different (top class) auto electricians that do this type of work. In most cases for an easy fix it is 50 euro+ and another part will go fairly fast. If it needs a big overhaul you will be over 100 euro.

I have seen some new ones to fail at 2 years, not water proof

want to very careful with the starter you fit to old case like op's some of the spurious models now available are made to metric spec.

i know of 1 where the bendix cog wasn't engaging the flyw. correctly and fuc$ed the ring gear.

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