The right to one's biological parents & the adopted

MintyMagnum

Lots of statements from the NO side of the marriage debate claiming children in same sex unions will be deprived of at least one of their biological parents & to not even know their biological parents names, medical history etc. Lots of emphasis on being brought up by one's 'birth mother', 'a mother's love is irreplaceable', 'a mother should be for life, not nine months'. No mention of the 50,000 or so Irish adoptees who were deprived of BOTH biological parents due to the systematic church led separation of babies from fallen women, single mothers, inmates of Laundries etc. These people have NO automatic right to their original birth certificate, not even their original name, their parent's names, place of birth etc as has been the case for decades in the UK. Where is the NO side's campaign on this issue if they are so worried about the rights of children to know whom & where they came from. Govt continues to not legislate for this until birth mothers die & the problem goes away of its own accord. These are real people, in existence NOW, not imaginary designer babies of the future. Priorities people?

Spook_ie

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Lots of statements from the NO side of the marriage debate claiming children in same sex unions will be deprived of at least one of their biological parents & to not even know their biological parents names, medical history etc. Lots of emphasis on being brought up by one's 'birth mother', 'a mother's love is irreplaceable', 'a mother should be for life, not nine months'. No mention of the 50,000 or so Irish adoptees who were deprived of BOTH biological parents due to the systematic church led separation of babies from fallen women, single mothers, inmates of Laundries etc. These people have NO automatic right to their original birth certificate, not even their original name, their parent's names, place of birth etc as has been the case for decades in the UK. Where is the NO side's campaign on this issue if they are so worried about the rights of children to know whom & where they came from. Govt continues to not legislate for this until birth mothers die & the problem goes away of its own accord. These are real people, in existence NOW, not imaginary designer babies of the future. Priorities people?

Don't think the real claims of the No side are that, probably more along the lines of the http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0021/print.html

and this bit of it

33.— (1) (a) The Authority shall not make an adoption order, or recognise an intercountry adoption effected outside the State, unless—


(i) the applicants are a married couple who are living together,


(ii) the applicant is the mother or father or a relative of the child, or


(iii) the applicant, notwithstanding that he or she does not fall within subparagraph (ii), satisfies the Authority that, in the particular circumstances, the adoption is desirable and in the best interests of the child.

Which does indeed mean that a yes vote affects the adoption laws, in that SSM would be allowed to adopt ( as long as they meet any other criteria )

ixoy

Spook_ie wrote: »

Which does indeed mean that a yes vote affects the adoption laws, in that SSM would be allowed to adopt ( as long as they meet any other criteria )

Except it doesn't. Same sex couples will be able to adopt whether or not there is a Yes vote. The adoption legislation has changed. Can't believe this is still coming up.

oscarBravo

Spook_ie wrote: »

Don't think the real claims of the No side are that, probably more along the lines of the http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0021/print.html

and this bit of it



Which does indeed mean that a yes vote affects the adoption laws, in that SSM would be allowed to adopt ( as long as they meet any other criteria )

I've pointed out in another thread that that section was amended this year.

I'm having trouble believing that anyone who has an actual interest in this topic didn't know that it was amended, which makes me question the motivation for posting a link to legislation that is no longer in force.

Mokum

Watching some programmes on T.V. concerning drunken binges in holiday resorts, many of the participants in the programmes said that they had unprotected sex with multiple strangers, after too much drink and other substances. Where do these people register the names to allow for children to trace their parents??

donaghs

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Lots of statements from the NO side of the marriage debate claiming children in same sex unions will be deprived of at least one of their biological parents & to not even know their biological parents names, medical history etc. Lots of emphasis on being brought up by one's 'birth mother', 'a mother's love is irreplaceable', 'a mother should be for life, not nine months'. No mention of the 50,000 or so Irish adoptees who were deprived of BOTH biological parents due to the systematic church led separation of babies from fallen women, single mothers, inmates of Laundries etc. These people have NO automatic right to their original birth certificate, not even their original name, their parent's names, place of birth etc as has been the case for decades in the UK. Where is the NO side's campaign on this issue if they are so worried about the rights of children to know whom & where they came from. Govt continues to not legislate for this until birth mothers die & the problem goes away of its own accord. These are real people, in existence NOW, not imaginary designer babies of the future. Priorities people?

I'm not totally following your point here. I think everyone agrees what happened in the past was wrong in terms of people being denied access or knowledge of their genetic parents, and where it exists, this information should be made available to adopted people. But how does that connect to your first statement, and how (I think you are saying) that people should have voted YES.

No matter what happened in the past, I think that now, and in the future, people should have a right to know who their genetic parents were. And have to ability to rejoin this family if it suits both parties.

Does this referendum change the status of genetic parents and the relationship with their children?

bigbrotherfan

Mokum wrote: »

Watching some programmes on T.V. concerning drunken binges in holiday resorts, many of the participants in the programmes said that they had unprotected sex with multiple strangers, after too much drink and other substances. Where do these people register the names to allow for children to trace their parents??

Excellent point. Watching programmes where people are trying to locate parents / children, after many years, the scenario above leaves little or no hope for
one parent being found. This must be very difficult.

donaghs

bigbrotherfan wrote: »

Excellent point. Watching programmes where people are trying to locate parents / children, after many years, the scenario above leaves little or no hope for
one parent being found. This must be very difficult.

Nothing new here, except that the acts are happening in a foreign location and partially televised. If someone gets pregnant and cannot remember who the father is and has no idea where they live, then that is that. Whether it happened 200 years ago at Donnybrook Fair or yesterday.