Knackers!

ganmo

Oh ya gotta love when you're left with a dead animal for week after calling the knacker last week, and was told today they won't be coming anytime soon YAY!!

whelan2

ganmo wrote: »

Oh ya gotta love when you're left with a dead animal for week after calling the knacker last week, and was told today they won't be coming anytime soon YAY!!

Ring a different one

kowtow

whelan2 wrote: »

Ring a different one

And don't bother cancelling the first crowd.

If / when they show up tell them it got bored waiting and walked off.

ganmo

whelan2 wrote: »

Ring a different one

Have the number of one that will collect in south dub?

djmc

You could ring your dvo tell them you want to cover yourself before they send you a warning letter for a decomposed animal.
Their vets don't like taking samples from rotten animals

Connemara Farmer

If the one that picked up my ewe left her a week and charged me €30 instead of €100 I'd have been happy

ganmo

May do that!

And con, it'll be a week tomorrow gettin charged 40 with no idea when they will pick up

Connemara Farmer

ganmo wrote: »

May do that!

And con, it'll be a week tomorrow gettin charged 40 with no idea when they will pick up

Vicks

frazzledhome

kowtow wrote: »

And don't bother cancelling the first crowd.

If / when they show up tell them it got bored waiting and walked off.

Could tell them Easter was late this year

Count Mondego

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

If the one that picked up my ewe left her a week and charged me €30 instead of €100 I'd have been happy

€100 for a fcuking ewe!!!! Are you sure it wasn't a wolly cow?

whelan2

how much is it if you deliver the ewe?

ganmo

whelan2 wrote: »

how much is it if you deliver the ewe?

I dropped lambs to the lab in backwestin once.
They weren't dead for a week and I suffered on that drive!

AntrimGlens

ganmo wrote: »

I dropped lambs to the lab in backwestin once.
They weren't dead for a week and I suffered on that drive!

Whenever the dept had to sample all cattle over 36 months for TSE it fell to us bleeders to do it. We would get a couple of bins the size of spud boxes filled with cattle heads every morning and had to scoop the brain out and into a small jar of formaldehyde and deliver to the lab. All these were fallen stock so could be at least a week before we got them. We wore a fully enclosed visor and hood which tied at the neck and it had a small fan at the back. One roasting hot day we got a bin of really stinking heads and one of the lads got one full of maggots and the brain was mush. He gagged then retched and tried to pull off the visor but couldn't get the string undone and puked inside it all down his neck. Oh how we laughed, 😷😷😂

MfMan

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.... thought this thread was about something different....

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White Clover

MfMan wrote: »

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.... thought this thread was about something different....

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:-D

Connemara Farmer

Count Mondego wrote: »

€100 for a fcuking ewe!!!! Are you sure it wasn't a wolly cow?

Probably be another 0 added on for a cow.

whelan2 wrote: »

how much is it if you deliver the ewe?

Dunno, but I wasn't about to drive from West Connemara to near Ballinasloe with her in the boot :pac: Think there's a place in Ballinrobe I'll call next time.

Base price

Not trying to be the devils advocate but
from what I understand, neither ganmo or CM reside/farm in an area where there is an affordable and reliable collection service.
I wonder what collection service is affordable and reliable on our inhabited islands off the West Coast

whelan2

its 55 here for a cow colected, why is a ewe dearer? 25 for a calf, i fill in the paper work for him while he loads the animal

djmc

Base price wrote: »

Not trying to be the devils advocate but
from what I understand, neither ganmo or CM reside/farm in an area where there is an affordable and reliable collection service.
I wonder what collection service is affordable and reliable on our inhabited islands off the West Coast

I think islands are allowed bury animals still as no collection service would be available.

Farmer Pudsey

You can look for an on farm burial permit. Yell the DVO office what the knackery said and they should issue one on health and safety grounds.

A cow called Daisy

whelan2 wrote: »

its 55 here for a cow colected, why is a ewe dearer? 25 for a calf, i fill in the paper work for him while he loads the animal

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You can look for an on farm burial permit. Yell the DVO office what the knackery said and they should issue one on health and safety grounds.

Was expecting this thread to be about something completely different.
Q
€25 is dear for calf. Have been charged €10 collected and used to be able to leave a calf at knackery free until a few years ago.
Am charged €50 -€70 for cow. Cheap if you don't have a digger and only option is to dig a hole for her with a spade.
Was there a while when the knackery gave the farmer money for the cow?

High bike

MfMan wrote: »

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.... thought this thread was about something different....

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Same as that cream crackers:rolleyes:

Farmer Pudsey

A cow called Daisy wrote: »

Was expecting this thread to be about something completely different.
Q
€25 is dear for calf. Have been charged €10 collected and used to be able to leave a calf at knackery free until a few years ago.
Am charged €50 -€70 for cow. Cheap if you don't have a digger and only option is to dig a hole for her with a spade.
Was there a while when the knackery gave the farmer money for the cow?

Knackery's can now charge what they like. It depends on competition in area as well as distance they have to travel. I imagine in parts of places like Sligo and Mayo they may have to travel 50+ miles to collect one animal.

Yes years ago Knackerys would pay for carcasses as meat went for dog food and rest went for bonemeal. However now Bones an are worth nothing and SRM( specified risk material) has to be disposed of by incineration. Bone meat is stockpiled in certain places as no where to get rid of it.

ganmo

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You can look for an on farm burial permit. Yell the DVO office what the knackery said and they should issue one on health and safety grounds.

Do you have to record where it was buried?
not really looking forward to digging in our ground, granite 4 inches under the soil most places

Kovu

ganmo wrote: »

Do you have to record where it was buried?
not really looking forward to digging in our ground, granite 4 inches under the soil most places

Dynamite

Could do the same as they do with beached whales, blow up the sheep. Bits o'sheep easier to transport for burial.
Please note I may not actually be serious here.

ganmo

Kovu wrote: »

Dynamite

Could do the same as they do with beached whales, blow up the sheep. Bits o'sheep easier to transport for burial.
Please note I may not actually be serious here.

the parents had to get some of that to get foundations for the house.

blueella

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

If the one that picked up my ewe left her a week and charged me €30 instead of €100 I'd have been happy

too bad ur so far away or id be paying u to collect that ;p

arctictree

Just paid €50 for a tagged lamb. Mad prices...

Bullocks

arctictree wrote: »

Just paid €50 for a tagged lamb. Mad prices...

Where abouts? It's an awful price to have to pay

Markcheese

Bullocks wrote: »

Where abouts? It's an awful price to have to pay

Did they collect ?
Not too bad if they did - ?
Do the rules allow you to drop the lamb to them ? How much would it cost you to drive out to their yard and back ( including your time )

ganmo

i'm willing to bet from north wicklow to mid wexford

Bullocks

Markcheese wrote: »

Did they collect ?
Not too bad if they did - ?
Do the rules allow you to drop the lamb to them ? How much would it cost you to drive out to their yard and back ( including your time )

You have the wrong bullock Mark !

whisky_galore

djmc wrote: »

I think islands are allowed bury animals still as no collection service would be available.

Think they might let the sea do the work. Old cars on the islands when they're clapped out frequently get 'burial at sea'.

Reminds me of a time years ago, scuba diving somewhere in Kerry and finding a 'thing'...took me a few mins to work out what it was, turned out to be a cow's head (tags missing of course), tail and her various non edible bits floating around.

Capercaillie

In Spain they have Muladares. Sites where dead animals are brought. Vultures then eat the carcases quickly and efficiently. No charge for farmers there. Problem with EU shutting them down in past few years though.
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias/afondo/muladares-alimentar-carroneros-instalaran-leon-zonas-montana_795793.html

djmc

I remember back in the 80s when it was legal and the norm to bury your own animals.
We used to dig a hole to bury dead pigs and cover when full adding a few new carcass every week. It took a long time to fill as the foxes grey crows and magpies had them picked to the bones.
There was an abundant amount of foxes and crows around with all the free food and in turn brought shooters around lamping.
Remember as a young lad waking to gunshots and lights shining around the house yard and field's great excitement.
All changed in the 1990s with new regulations.

Jb1989

djmc wrote: »

I remember back in the 80s when it was legal and the norm to bury your own animals.
We used to dig a hole to bury dead pigs and cover when full adding a few new carcass every week. It took a long time to fill as the foxes grey crows and magpies had them picked to the bones.
There was an abundant amount of foxes and crows around with all the free food and in turn brought shooters around lamping.
Remember as a young lad waking to gunshots and lights shining around the house yard and field's great excitement.
All changed in the 1990s with new regulations.

Was that good or bad for the fox population ?
More food to let foxes rise the population,
But then more chance to kill them,
Hard to know disease wise

Birdnuts

Jb1989 wrote: »

Was that good or bad for the fox population ?
More food to let foxes rise the population,
But then more chance to kill them,
Hard to know disease wise

Gamekeepers used these type of "stinkpits" to make it easier to snare and shoot foxes. So I guess it lowers the population if managed in that way.

djmc

Nature will always take care of wildlife population example fox and rabbit population goes up and down with food available all the time weather also has an impact.
As for disease the reasons burials on farms were stopped was risk to ground water pollution that and lads wouldn't bother to dig a hole and animals turning up in dykes and streams with no tags.
There was no online system or herd books back then so department had a hard time keeping track of numbers.
I think there weren't even cards before the blue cards came in or was there a green card maybe.
Not sure if knackers used to collect from farms then either but I remember when they payed the farmers and butchers for offal .

Capercaillie

djmc wrote: »

Nature will always take care of wildlife population example fox and rabbit population goes up and down with food available all the time weather also has an impact.
As for disease the reasons burials on farms were stopped was risk to ground water pollution that and lads wouldn't bother to dig a hole and animals turning up in dykes and streams with no tags.
There was no online system or herd books back then so department had a hard time keeping track of numbers.
I think there weren't even cards before the blue cards came in or was there a green card maybe.
Not sure if knackers used to collect from farms then either but I remember when they payed the farmers and butchers for offal .

I guess a fox dragging bits of a carcass around could spread disease to neighboring farms. Lads flinging carcasses near waterways would be a good way to poison the water.

pedigree 6

Ah we've come a long way for the better I suppose. Digging holes and burying animals is not on. Might not be too bad for small farmers with occasional dead animal, but larger farms with many animals would be polluting ground water. Someone was telling me about farm manager in NZ who was jailed for 4 years for animal cruelty and they had pits for casualty animals on the farm. At least here now the dept can monitor and identify which farmers are not looking after their stock and take action. The downside is knackers lorries driving around with diseased carcases. A vet told that if you have to call the knacker, let him park at the road gate and bring the dead animal out to the lorry with tractor, loader.

whelan2

pedigree 6 wrote: »

The downside is knackers lorries driving around with diseased carcases. A vet told that if you have to call the knacker, let him park at the road gate and bring the dead animal out to the lorry with tractor, loader.

if we went to that extreme, vets, ai man , milk man wouldnt be allowed in to the yard

pedigree 6

whelan2 wrote: »

if we went to that extreme, vets, ai man , milk man wouldnt be allowed in to the yard

Ah yea but you know what vet was on about. Knacker lorry coming in with dead animals that died from god knows what and juice coming off bed of lorry onto yard where your own animals could lick, smell etc. In coolmore they have separate yards for horses where each yard is in isolation with no cross contact between horses, equipment, feed, people, etc to stop if a virus did occur it wouldn't spread to whole place. That's where your disinfection point and foot bath for visitors to the farm is vital. On another note did anyone see the Chinese visitors to the ploughing match with their plastic covers on their boots.

orm0nd

was behind a knackery lorry a few days ago & the pong coming in the air vents was vile, narrow road no hope of overtaking , a lady with a 151 bmw 5 series was tail gating me so being the gentleman that I am :rolleyes: I pulled in a gate way to let her pass, even got a bip as she passed

foxy farmer

After the foot and mouth scare I thought that all operations handling animals would have to install wheel washes. Local knackery here has a concrete trough 10ft wide and 6-8ft long thats always full of disinfectant. Should be mandatory in marts and meat factories. Kerry Coop had one in listowel plant nearly 25yrs ago. I better shut up now before Bord Bia and co. start getting ideas.

whelan2

A lot of the time the smell from the knackery lorry is not the drivers fault. Some farmers might leave an animal a few days before ringing them. Hoping they might come back to life or something

Capercaillie

whelan2 wrote: »

if we went to that extreme, vets, ai man , milk man wouldnt be allowed in to the yard

Hard to get it right. At one extreme you have people saying your need total biosecurity. Disinfected all vehicles/personnel coming onto farm and they other extreme is no biosecurity!

ganmo

whelan2 wrote: »

A lot of the time the smell from the knackery lorry is not the drivers fault. Some farmers might leave an animal a few days before ringing them. Hoping they might come back to life or something

sometimes the farmer will ring them asap and then they won't turn up:mad:

whelan2

ganmo wrote: »

sometimes the farmer will ring them asap and then they won't turn up:mad:

yes i know that, lad here is very good

djmc

whelan2 wrote: »

A lot of the time the smell from the knackery lorry is not the drivers fault. Some farmers might leave an animal a few days before ringing them. Hoping they might come back to life or something

At the other side of that a few years back had a cow missing in a wet year after days searching found it crossed a wet rushy field and across deep bog where it got stuck in abog hole and died . I had to wait tell dry weather to get her out
Even a track machine couldn't get in to her.
Got a warning letter from department when sent to knackery badly decomposed.
But not every animal will die in the yard or at the side of the road.

whelan2

Lost one in a deep ditch a few years ago.Was missing a while before we found it. I rang dept they said to recover what bits we could and send them to knackery. Was a few weeks before we got into the area.

whisky_galore

whelan2 wrote: »

A lot of the time the smell from the knackery lorry is not the drivers fault. Some farmers might leave an animal a few days before ringing them. Hoping they might come back to life or something

On the third day....maybe?